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Was she being unreasonable

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itsacabsauv · 13/10/2024 21:23

I was out last night. I'm
50. My daughter is 20. My daughter and I were chatting. A man my age came up
To us who I know remotely . He put his arms around us and said how are ye doing tonight . My daughter froze and stared him dead in the face and said.. take Your hands off me Right now.
I was taken aback. He meant no harm but again my
Daughter didn't know him. My friends were shocked at her response . Was she being unreasonable, in your opinion ?

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MeowCatPleaseMeowBack · 14/10/2024 08:43

How would you like a complete stranger old enough to be your dad touching you, cuddling you, without warning, introduction or consent?

Would it be more acceptable to you if he was 20?

BloodOfTheRaven · 14/10/2024 07:50

itsacabsauv · 13/10/2024 21:43

@BloodOfTheRaven read the post

Read the times posted

BobbyBiscuits · 14/10/2024 00:37

How would you like a complete stranger old enough to be your dad touching you, cuddling you, without warning, introduction or consent?

It's just creepy and weird. Maybe he can put his arm round you but he doesn't know her and you don't touch women you don't know. It can be classed as assault.

He should apologise to her. He may well have not meant any harm but that's not the point.

What example are you setting her by saying non consensual touching from strangers especially men should be accepted and to 'grin and bear it'?

SALaw · 14/10/2024 00:32

Younger generation refusing to put up with the same crap women have for millennia.
Wonderful to hear. I hope my 15 year old daughter will be like this.

Winnawanga · 13/10/2024 23:07

My daughter would do the same and I would be incredibly proud of her.

DifficultBloodyWoman · 13/10/2024 22:43

Your daughter is brilliant. Make sure she knows it. Don’t let her ever doubt herself then way you are.

LouH1981 · 13/10/2024 22:40

No. Good on her! You’ve raised a strong, confident woman who isn’t afraid to stand up for herself and her body. You should be proud of her.

Clueless2024 · 13/10/2024 22:38

No, not unreasonable. Once upon a time, women were conditioned to think this behaviour was ok, but times have changed, evolved. Good on her for advocating for herself. It's akin to once upon a time making children kiss/hug random relatives/parents friends. We don't do that anymore.

AmeliaEarache · 13/10/2024 22:34

Good for her! No one needs to tolerate this handsy nonsense anymore.

fallenbranches · 13/10/2024 22:26

This shows a difference between the younger generation and us. Now I know many of you 40+ might say you'd do the same, but I just think in general we accepted this because we got used to it so much when we were younger. As much as how many criticise the younger generation as screen zombies who can't socialise or are disrespectful or how much better it was 'in our day', the youngsters are much more savvy as to what are boundaries and what isn't acceptable.

Pennnny · 13/10/2024 21:58

I couldn't get worked up about a man doing this, in a situation where you obviously knew him. I dont think it's the crime that MNers make it out to be. But each to their own.

CabraCadabra · 13/10/2024 21:56

No. That shit isn't acceptable these days and rightly so.

YOOHOOITSMEEE · 13/10/2024 21:54

good on her
all females should act that way
men's entitled behaviour will stop then

your age group were conditioned to think its acceptable behaviour and to "put up with it" this is why men got away with it

in her age group bracket girls have not been brought up or conditioned that way

he could have greeted you both friendly with out physical unwanted touch

MeowCatPleaseMeowBack · 13/10/2024 21:51

itsacabsauv · 13/10/2024 21:49

The replies haven't
Swayed me at all I have never been in that situation with my
Daughter or a woman her own age . I wanted your thoughts .I am
Immensely proud of her .

Did you defend her to your friends?

itsacabsauv · 13/10/2024 21:49

The replies haven't
Swayed me at all I have never been in that situation with my
Daughter or a woman her own age . I wanted your thoughts .I am
Immensely proud of her .

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mrsDracoMalfoy · 13/10/2024 21:49

Nope, good for her. Just another man who thinks it's ok to put his hands on a female coz he's 'friendly' or 'just being nice' or 'knows her mum'
Respect your daughter for standing up for herself.

SwanRivers · 13/10/2024 21:48

itsacabsauv · 13/10/2024 21:39

I was shocked , surprised but very very proud .
A new generation will hopefully sort this .

Why didn't you mention you were 'very very proud' in your OP?

Seems like the replies have swayed you?

Applesandpears23 · 13/10/2024 21:48

The sooner men learn that if they don’t want to be shouted at by women they should check if their advances are welcome and not presume. I was in a pub having a deep conversation with my sister and a random older broke touched me on the shoulder and startled me. I am proud to say I made a loud fuss and he retreated with hands in the air.

Opentooffers · 13/10/2024 21:46

If you think how he acted wasn't so bad, but your daughter obviously did, that's the generation gap in full flow. The man comes from a generation where women were expected to put up with a certain level of touching, so maybe he sees nothing wrong with it. You don't see it, as from a generation where you were conditioned to accept it. Subsequent generations have been taught that its out of order without prior permission, particularly from a stranger.
He made a bad judgement call in the moment. I'd guess being out involved some alcohol consumption which affected his poor judgement.
As you see nothing wrong with it, also maybe as you know him. What do you think of a middle-aged man who goes up to 2 20 year old women who don't know him and put his arms around them - creep, comes to mind.

PondWarrior · 13/10/2024 21:45

itsacabsauv · 13/10/2024 21:23

I was out last night. I'm
50. My daughter is 20. My daughter and I were chatting. A man my age came up
To us who I know remotely . He put his arms around us and said how are ye doing tonight . My daughter froze and stared him dead in the face and said.. take Your hands off me Right now.
I was taken aback. He meant no harm but again my
Daughter didn't know him. My friends were shocked at her response . Was she being unreasonable, in your opinion ?

She sounds awesome! 🤩

PennyApril54 · 13/10/2024 21:44

I can understand that you'd be surprised as we were brought up to always be nice and polite pretty much regardless of the situation however younger ones have been taught different standards and this is a good thing. It is probably a worthwhile lesson for your friend/ acquaintance as he hopefully will realise this isn't acceptable and not do it again to other girls.. It really isn't okay for men to do that.

itsacabsauv · 13/10/2024 21:43

@BloodOfTheRaven read the post

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Cherrysoup · 13/10/2024 21:43

I’m your age and I’d be appalled if someone I don’t know put their arm around me. I very much object to being grabbed/touched by unknown people. Of course she’s not unreasonable. Gone are the days when ‘aunties and uncles’ ie friends of your parents could demand cuddles.

dancinfeet · 13/10/2024 21:40

my eldest daughter would have absolutely reacted the same, my younger daughter would have absolutely recoiled in disgust and moved away. Both in their early twenties. I wish I had the confidence they have back when I was their age.

BloodOfTheRaven · 13/10/2024 21:39

Why do you think she was out of order? Do you think she should have kept quiet like a good girl? How far does this go, does she keep quiet when she's being assaulted further, is there a limit?

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