Anyone else just wish these xl bullies would disappear?

I hope that if your dog ever does decide to do what it was bred for, it is you who pays the ultimate price.

I hope you live nowhere near me, and I feel so sorry for those who do live near you.

How would you feel about my using the space just above your right shoulder (and the space above your childrens shoulders) for target practise? No need for you to feel at risk because I'm a superior shot - just like we don't need to worry because you are a superior dog owner. If you don't like the idea of that, tough, because (in your own words) life is too short for me to worry about others opinions and I don't look like the average gun owner.

I originally wanted a Newfoundland, but was struggling to find any breeders locally and the breeders that I did find were either hours and hours away or had no planned litters due. A friend of mine said her friends dog had just had puppies and thus we ended up with our dog after a few visits of seeing mum and dad.

Sorry Zippy but it doesn't really answer the question affirmatively based on a positive characteristic of the XL Bully as a breed (because there isn't one, let's face it).

From what you say, you made an emotional decision without thinking it through, based on not wanting to wait for a pet and seeing a litter of puppies as yet too small to kill and maim and thinking "oh it'll be fine".

There was no logic or responsibility in your decision which proves the point made many times on this thread, that XL Bully owners are irresponsible when it comes to dog ownership.

These dogs have been bred for generations to be aggressive and strong, because they needed to be to fulfil the role people wanted them to do - kill animals many times their size. The high prey drive and defensive nature was necessary.

You don't eliminate that with a bit of training and a cuddle. The same as you don't eliminate the need of a collie to herd or have a lot of exercise or a spaniel to search undergrowth and flush out small furries and birds, or a terrier to go down holes after rats & mice.

The difference is that a spaniel or a collie or a terrier will wreck your house looking for fulfilment, run off, dig holes in your garden, round everyone in sight up, and if they do turn they are physically capable of less damage because their breeding has made them optimal for the job humans wanted them to do, with no need for the size or strength that an animal designed to kill another animal many times it's size and weight needs.

Then because of the size, strength and aggression they have become attractive to some in society that operate by intimidation and threats, and that attitude is not tackled, so this continues.

I agree that XL bullies are dangerous and yes, I think that the stage we're now at, something drastic needs to happen to bring that under control, but without dealing with the underlying attitudes just as harshly, something else will take their place and we'll be back here again with another tool for those who use aggression to go about their lives. Take away their XL bullies and they'll just use something else to make everyone else's life a misery, because no matter how those types of people bleat they love the dog and it's their world, it's not about the dog at all, but their ego. That's just an emotional manipulation to try and get their own way.

@ZippyLimeSnake could you control your dog, absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt if it decided to attack someone? Or another animal? Because all dogs have the potential to do that, from my ancient terrier and cooperative spaniel right through to your XL bully, I know that physically I could restrain both of my dogs because I am stronger than they are, I doubt either of them would ever attack a human, however as they are dogs that's not an absolute, it never can be, regardless of breed. That's the issue here, an XL bully is stronger than the average human, regardless of any temperament or tendencies, that's just a biological fact. And that's what makes them more dangerous.

@ZippyLimeSnake you sound shockingly ignorant for someone who is in charge of one of these killing machines. It's really frightening.

I've been pretty stunned at most of your posts, from believing your XL is a friendly, harmless dope, to actually going out and acquiring one of these horrific dogs when you live with children. You wanted a different breed but the available pups were too far away!? So you bought an XL from a friend of a friend who happened to have puppies? And your research was chatting to a couple of local dog walkers. Beggars belief.

This post though, this one takes the biscuit. Do you really think you'd have time to create a slip lead & use that & pull up? Really?? Do you permantly have a slip lead in your hand? Or would you trot off to find one whilst your dog was attacking? How strong are you? How tall? Do you think you would have the physical strength and height to actually get the slip lead around its neck as it was tearing chunks out of someone or something, to put it round its neck and then to pull up enough to be able to stop the attack?

You wouldn't. You'd be exactly the same as every other dickhead who has one of these dogs that attacks. You'd be helpless.

I have explained further up the thread as to why I bought an XL.

I also have made changes in the way I walk & take my dog out to make people like you feel more comfortable & when I am unable to walk him earlier or later in the day, if I see someone feels uncomfortable or is giving me looks I will make him lay down for you to pass or am happy to cross over the road. Media doesn’t help when they consistently are throwing out dog attacks that involve an XL or assume it is an XL, but will not throw out on the news about the GSD up the road who killed their owners friend. Or the Husky who mauled some ect. I am sorry that it has affected you the way it has & some of us owners have tried to respect the public & the ban as much as we can but obviously not everyone has that stance unfortunately.

Dogs imo should be banned from parks in general, I have seen far too many dogs end up fighting & on occasions children being knocked over or bitten.

It needs to continue!! It must start with XL Bullies as they commit the most attacks and their owners are the most in denial. Then it has to continue with other dangerous breeds, until all children and non-dangerous breeds are reasonably safe from dangerous dogs in homes and playgrounds and the adult public can walk the streets or sit in a cafe without fear of dog attacks.

Why so resistant to rules that are guaranteed to make the world a safer place? You have no right to curtail other people's freedoms because your angry designer pet hasn't killed anyone yet.

I’ve heard that about the XL Bully as well - apparently they are fine until they hit adolescence and that’s when any behavioural issues start showing. I also read that a large sample of these attacks are from descendants of this killer kimbo dog.
www.lbc.co.uk/news/killer-kimbo-xl-bully-half-of-uk-pets-descended-one-us-dog/

It's got yours or someone else's child in its jaws and you're going to be fiddling around creating some silly type of lead to pull it off? Honestly just listen to yourself

I'm still utterly baffled as to why you would pick 'that' breed? Why risk it?

All these muppets on here going on about the one time they saw a cockapoodlepoo go for someone need to just give it one moments thought, did that dog maim the person it attacked? Were they on the evening news? Did the person die? Of course they didn't.

Two of our six dogs are a Rottweiler and a Doberman. Both could kill you easily and quickly in an attack.

The attacks from XL Bullies appear to be slow and torturous and the victim dies from bleeding out.

It's always the owners fault when a dog is out of control and harms anyone whether it be a nip or a savage attack.

@Yalta are you trying to make some "at first they came for" statement?

Hopefully all violent dogs are banned.

But then there will be something else then something else to be got rid of

Do you actually think it would stop at XL Bullies?

Sorry I am reading so many messages I’m losing track of what I have and haven’t said.

I would use the method I have been taught to get an attacking dog off, which is to create a slip lead & use that & to pull up & not back. As pulling a dog back away from an attack actually baits them more. Yanking & pulling, throwing water ect over a dog will only make the dog react more in an aggressive manor, again this is why you teach a dog to drop anything on your command, granted if they are in that frenzied mode it probably won’t work hence the slip lead technique.

Any dog could obviously turn but do you understand that bullies/pitbulls were specifically bred to not let go no matter what?
If a different breed of big (or small) dog attacked there are various things you could do. Small dogs, pick them up and throw them. Bigger dogs, kick them, hit then with sticks etc. Poke it in the eyes. Strangle it. When a dog is hurt or surprised it will often let go. These type of bulldogs were bred for years that they DO NOT let go or get distracted in these situations. That's what makes them a lot more dangerous than other big dogs.

When actually I am the complete opposite.

Fair enough you want a calm discussion, thank you I appreciate your willingness. But I cross the road to avoid people who make your dog-owning choices. I walk in the park much less, and much more nervously, because of dog owners like you. My wellbeing and that of my family is affected by the collective of people who choose to parade these creatures around playgrounds as calmly as if they were hamsters. Why would you choose to be that person?

Why did you choose an XL Bully when there are so, so many breeds to choose from?

When there's no XL bullies I guess?

Make people have licences to keep pets.

I notice that you haven't denied that you feel entitled to risk others lives by your choice of dog. I stand by my comment that you have psychopathic tendencies. If it were up to me you would have to undergo psychological assessment before having any animals or children left alone in your care.

@ZippyLimeSnake answer the question.

The XL bullies the Rottweilers and the Dobermans I have known have always been so gentle.

Fallacious argument. In 2023, XL Bullies were responsible for 44% of attacks on humans and other dogs despite making up just 1% of the UK dog population. Pit bull ban helped drastically reduce deaths compared to the US where they have no such ban. Guardian article, you can Google it if don't believe me.

It's like saying that the unused zombie knife in a thug's bedroom poses no risk to the general public. Until he flips. You cannot control a violent thug, or a dog bred to kill. They are accidents waiting to happen, that's all they are, they have no purpose except to cause harm. There is nothing to love about these dogs, they are just human rage and ego gone wild.

I don’t know if you’re in denial or not. But you still haven’t answered my question about what you would do if your dog went for your child. Other than to try to sidetrack with some stuff about “other big dogs”.

Do you not know?

But where does being rude get you? Because I certainly would rather have a discussion with someone who disagrees with me but will discuss it in calmer way, than discuss it with someone who has just called me a hateful individual with psychopathic tendencies & I like frightening people walking my dog. When actually I am the complete opposite.

I am not in denial, my point was in my original post was about needing a license for any dog regardless of breed. I just added my two pence in as I do have an XL.

But most of these dogs aren’t violent and don’t need to be tamed.

This sums it up brilliantly, it's that arrogance of thinking they are always in total control over a dog's actions. You can train them for years to obey you but at the end of the day, if they decide to attack there's not one thing you could do about it.

The only dog attack I have seen was when a cockapoo who was on a lead in a park suddenly bolted towards a KFC 100m away. Cockapoo’s owner being pulled over in the process and lost her grip on the lead. Cockapoo had the KFC in its mouth and was shaking it like a ragdoll
It took 4 of us to get the cockapoo to drop the KFC who did survive but was taken to the vets to tend to his wounds

The XL bullies the Rottweilers and the Dobermans I have known have always been so gentle.

Having had a dog who was part German Shepherd and Heinz 57. This dog I would trust with my children’s life. She was just a lovely girl. However I taught dc from a very young age that she wasn’t a toy, she wasn’t a pillow or a mattress to be laid on and if she was asleep or eating then they wouldn’t disturb her. They would hold a handout for her to sniff before stroking her and they would only play with her when she wanted to play.

We had her for nearly 15 years and we miss her everyday.

I will say that the only trigger we ever witnessed was when I bought a Rawhide bone for her. For the few minutes she had it she turned into a growling dog protective of her “bone” which was the complete opposite to her normal personality. I immediately snatched it away from her. I have talked to others who had experienced the same thing.