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AIBU to find it more challenging to parent because of other parents on days out

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LiarLiarKnickersAblaze · 13/10/2024 08:35

Giving examples from yesterday, although there are more.

Parent of 9-year-old DD. Get to park to meet friends and their 9-year-old DCs. DD had a Subway with her DF for lunch which included cookie. Friend brought a bag of donuts for the kids, which she brought out after they had been running about for a bit. I said DD could have one as I didn't want her to be left out while friends were having a treat/it's Saturday (the other kids had also had food before meeting). Less than half an hour later we walk past a shop. The kids all want a treat from the shop and the other Mums say they can have a giant chocolate lollypop or ice cream. By this point I say DD can't have a treat as she's just had two but she can have some fruit or bread if she's hungry. She's upset so I compromise and say she can pick something for Saturday night movie.

Cue massive meltdown from DD as she says it's hard to watch her friends have a treat. It got harder as friends got out one bag then another bag of crisps then more doughnuts for their kids after that. And because I say no, even with calm explanations to DD about different parents different rules, I get the tantrums and the stares from friends like I'm unreasonable. However the tantrum and the feeling of unfairness passes, DD says she isn't actually hungry and plays again happily.

Similarly DD walked into the shop and raised her voice to say "excuse me" while a shopper was browsing where she wanted to go. I whispered in her ear privately that whilst it's good to say excuse me, sometimes you have to wait if people are browsing and say it a bit later and quieter if you need to. In my view she's 9, so is old enough to learn social cues. Cue overreaction from another parent I don't know (of toddlers) of "that's OK, well done for saying excuse me" to cancel out my parenting approach and makes me look mean.

All my friends relent with treats and behaviour if the kids push for it. One of them called their Mum and "evil witch" when she didn't get her snack straight away because her Mum was eating, to which she giggled and said "oh she doesn't actually mean it". My DD would be on final warnings to go home with that. One of the 9 YO pulled a slate tile off a mini house. Her mum told him to put it back but because it isn't enforced he doesn't do anything. I experience this in most parenting circles. Maybe I am a strict hag? Am I outdated?? Although I'm the youngest parent in the group by six years!! What can I say better in those moments to DD?

OP posts:
zeitweilig · 13/10/2024 14:17

Freeyourminds · 13/10/2024 14:11

Please can you leave this now.This isn’t about not liking you, l don’t know you.My point is l have an opinion too.

I'm happy to move on.
Perhaps you could have just left it to start with. Bear that in mind next time.

Freeyourminds · 13/10/2024 14:11

zeitweilig · 13/10/2024 14:06

You know I'm referring to your comments directed at me.
I made relevant points and you decided to tell me I wasn't allowed to make comments. What did that add? Nothing. Stay on topic. We're not all going to like each other.

Please can you leave this now.This isn’t about not liking you, l don’t know you.My point is l have an opinion too.

HorsePeopleAreStablePeople · 13/10/2024 14:10

TheLittleOldWomanWhoShrinks · 13/10/2024 09:20

OP. Your daughter didn't 'raise her voice' in the shop. That implies aggression or shouting. She (possibly correctly) judged that the man would be unlikely to hear her saying it quietly and so said 'excuse me' politely and clearly. Terrible, terrible message to give to a girl, to expect her to stand there meekly until such time as someone moves and to speak softly at all times. She got her needs met politely and confidently and you poured cold water all over that and made her feel she'd done something wrong.

As for the treat thing, some days do just pan out like that, I'm afraid, but a day out isn't every day and I'm sure she eats healthily at home. I wouldn't have been causing her upset for that. I might perhaps have chatted with her about it later - 'wow, that was a day with a lot of sweet stuff - perhaps the ice cream didn't taste so special after the last couple of things?'

And what do you know about it!? You weren't there!!

I'm so sick of people telling the OP they don't know what happened as if they had some sort of birds eye view of a situation they never bloody witnessed!!!

zeitweilig · 13/10/2024 14:06

Freeyourminds · 13/10/2024 14:02

I’ve already said, l don’t think OP is being unreasonable, that’s what l’ve added.

You know I'm referring to your comments directed at me.
I made relevant points and you decided to tell me I wasn't allowed to make comments. What did that add? Nothing. Stay on topic. We're not all going to like each other.

Freeyourminds · 13/10/2024 14:02

zeitweilig · 13/10/2024 13:59

Again, what are you adding?

I’ve already said, l don’t think OP is being unreasonable, that’s what l’ve added.

ImaniMumsnet · 13/10/2024 14:01

Hello, can we ask for some peace and love please? This thread is being derailed which is not helpful to the OP. Remember you can always hit the report button if you'd like us to take a look at anything.

zeitweilig · 13/10/2024 13:59

Freeyourminds · 13/10/2024 13:57

No, they’re repetitive and you’ve just taken over the thread, that is my point.

Again, what are you adding?

Freeyourminds · 13/10/2024 13:57

zeitweilig · 13/10/2024 13:50

What are you adding to the thread now exactly?
My comments are on topic.

No, they’re repetitive and you’ve just taken over the thread, that is my point.

zeitweilig · 13/10/2024 13:57

EatSleepSleepRepeat · 13/10/2024 13:52

Junk food is literally an addiction. Have you ever given it up?

I was allowed unlimited junk as a kid and its not how I'm bringing my child up. We know better and can do better.

Not eating junk food doesn't immediately make someone judgey with food issues. People who eat junk food usually have food issues in the sense that the food is literally addictive.

If I don't eat junk for a week, I don't want it. As soon as I slip into eating it, it snowballs. For me, and many others, its like a smoker trying to have just one. It is literally addictive. It's why the nation's eating habits are so full of junk food now.

Limiting junk food is not a food issue. Nit everything is an issue.

I agree that limiting junk food is definitely not an issue.
Assuming you know much about someone's overall diet, based on one snapshot on a day out, is definitely an issue.
We should all try to eat a healthy diet but that can include less healthy things every now and then.

JayJayEl · 13/10/2024 13:56

Hi @LiarLiarKnickersAblaze !

I think people are being rather harsh towards you! Your initial post did come across as a little 'judgey' but I think you've rectified that, especially in your later replies.

I agree with others re. the "excuse me" comment. IMO you should have praised what your daughter did well (saying it) and maybe had a little chat about volume/waiting afterwards.

I agree with you re. junk food. That's an extortionate amount, and in such a small space of time! Maybe in the future you can chat with your daughter beforehand - remind her that children's parents allow different things, and sometimes that may feel unfair to her. Perhaps try and guide the conversation so that your daughter feels in control of the choices she makes. What is a reasonable amount of treats to have? Then agree that you'll stick to that decision whilst there. If things begin to go in a negative direction quietly remind her of the agreement you made earlier. Hopefully that's helpful! X

Freeyourminds · 13/10/2024 13:53

zeitweilig · 13/10/2024 13:32

🫣

Clearly this is a difficult concept for you, other people have opinions too.
You’re overly invested in this thread.

EatSleepSleepRepeat · 13/10/2024 13:52

OnaBegonia · 13/10/2024 10:22

I myself have had a junk food addiction in the past in my teenage years.
there we have it, you have an issue with food which you're now passing on to your DD.
Can you not see that your own parents controlled treats and likely led to your junk food eating?
You seem very focused on food, relax it was a day out, your DD is going to have issues when everything revolves spring what she's allowed to eat.

Junk food is literally an addiction. Have you ever given it up?

I was allowed unlimited junk as a kid and its not how I'm bringing my child up. We know better and can do better.

Not eating junk food doesn't immediately make someone judgey with food issues. People who eat junk food usually have food issues in the sense that the food is literally addictive.

If I don't eat junk for a week, I don't want it. As soon as I slip into eating it, it snowballs. For me, and many others, its like a smoker trying to have just one. It is literally addictive. It's why the nation's eating habits are so full of junk food now.

Limiting junk food is not a food issue. Nit everything is an issue.

zeitweilig · 13/10/2024 13:50

Freeyourminds · 13/10/2024 13:48

No this isn’t the case, many comments have been directly to OP, you’ve then questioned them, which is fine, this is more about the volume of them, you’re repeatedly doing this.
This thread, has now turned into, all about you.

What are you adding to the thread now exactly?
My comments are on topic.

Freeyourminds · 13/10/2024 13:48

zeitweilig · 13/10/2024 13:29

I'm replying to comments, many directed at me.

No this isn’t the case, many comments have been directly to OP, you’ve then questioned them, which is fine, this is more about the volume of them, you’re repeatedly doing this.
This thread, has now turned into, all about you.

Crazycatlady79 · 13/10/2024 13:46

Tbh, it sounds like you and your daughter are the issue within all this.
You had a food addiction, so are projecting your own experiences onto your child.
Your daughter is sufficiently socially unaware at 9 to be unable to say "excuse me" in an appropriate manner.
Your child actually comes out with "...am having this" and "you will give it to me" in public.
I'd suggest you would benefit from looking more closely at you and your daughter, rather than whinging about your friends and their children on MN.

AgainandagainandagainSS · 13/10/2024 13:46

MeowCatPleaseMeowBack · 13/10/2024 08:50

Yes I am judging them because their poor choices impact my day out.

Your poor parenting impacted theirs too. They had to listen to your nine-year-old tantrumming like a toddler and listen to you picking her up on minor things like her tone of voice when saying excuse me.

This is an excellent response.

Lalylala · 13/10/2024 13:41

I think that the tone in this post comes across as quite judgemental to other people. I

My personal view is that if my kids are having a fun day out with friends I can be a bit more flexible with what they eat, and I tend to let them follow the pack. I’m happy as long as they are getting something good in alongside the junk. It’s an ‘occasionally’ thing for me. It will have no impact on their health as they get older, especially because we talk a lot about eating preferences vs what our bodies need at home and I actually believe that it’s important to give children opportunities to regulate their own food intake on occasion (even if that means they overeat the bad stuff).Also as a parent, honestly, I want a break too. I would feel a bit mean restricting my child of something if none of their friends were experiencing the same, I try to treat them how I would like to be treated and I try as far as possible to avoid rules around food intake / what/ how much because I don’t want to link power and control to food.

Similarly with pointing out the excuse me, I think there might be a time and a place. If it was pretty rude and the person needed an apology in the moment I would take a 9year old to the side and explain, then I would support them to say sorry. If it didn’t need to be an apology in the moment I would just have a private chat when we got home. 9 year olds can feel embarrassed and infantilised by parents acting like this with them, it doesn’t sound like she was trying to be rude by what you’ve said.

For context, I am a person who came from a family where I wouldn’t have been allowed an ‘extra’ treat and I would have felt singled out to my friends. It was also an ongoing joke in my group of friends that my Mum was really inflexible and unreasonable when I moved into my teen years because of things like that. It probably had the opposite effect because when I was a bit older and had more autonomy to buy whatever I wanted I found it difficult to know when to stop having treats even though I knew all about the health risks/benefits.

tinytemper66 · 13/10/2024 13:39

Sorry but concentrate on your own child. If someone else relents and gives in to their child it has bugger all to do with you. Your child has to suck it up. Your child had a treat before the others. Lesson learnt.

Getmoveon14 · 13/10/2024 13:36

I agree that the snacking on the go culture is excessive, but I think deciding on whether to have snacks has ultimately got to come from the kids themselves. If they're not in the habit of having lots of snacks, they probably won't want one when offered. I'd try to limit the time you spend with people who dole out snacks every half hour.

MrsSkylerWhite · 13/10/2024 13:33

Presumably you know from experience how these families feed their kids? If you don’t like it, why do you continue to go out with them?

Btw, Subway cookies are every bit as bad as donuts.

zeitweilig · 13/10/2024 13:32

Freeyourminds · 13/10/2024 13:26

Completely agree.

🫣

zeitweilig · 13/10/2024 13:31

Matronic6 · 13/10/2024 13:20

Ok well put it this way, based on your comments, the amount of comments you have made and your response to every person who has posted I would say:

You are a person who thinks they are always right
You don't change your opinion but expect others to change theirs
You have to have the last word
You are overly invested in the thread, maybe it has strick a nerve

Does that sound right? Do you think that is an accurate reflection? Have I read your comments the way you intended?

I think it's as inaccurate as all the other assuming posts.
My point has been, and remains, that OP (and others) are judging other's parenting based on a small snapshot of their food consumption.

zeitweilig · 13/10/2024 13:29

Freeyourminds · 13/10/2024 13:16

You’re determined to keep this thread going aren’t you.Why all the comments, questioning you’ve made it perfectly clear what you think The only one here, pushing their narrative is you.

I'm replying to comments, many directed at me.

sunshine244 · 13/10/2024 13:27

It's unusual for a 9 year old to have such extreme reactions to being told no to a treat. You also seem to be anxious about issues with social cues/interactions.

Are there other areas of development with her that concern you?

Freeyourminds · 13/10/2024 13:26

Matronic6 · 13/10/2024 13:20

Ok well put it this way, based on your comments, the amount of comments you have made and your response to every person who has posted I would say:

You are a person who thinks they are always right
You don't change your opinion but expect others to change theirs
You have to have the last word
You are overly invested in the thread, maybe it has strick a nerve

Does that sound right? Do you think that is an accurate reflection? Have I read your comments the way you intended?

Completely agree.