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AIBU to find it more challenging to parent because of other parents on days out

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LiarLiarKnickersAblaze · 13/10/2024 08:35

Giving examples from yesterday, although there are more.

Parent of 9-year-old DD. Get to park to meet friends and their 9-year-old DCs. DD had a Subway with her DF for lunch which included cookie. Friend brought a bag of donuts for the kids, which she brought out after they had been running about for a bit. I said DD could have one as I didn't want her to be left out while friends were having a treat/it's Saturday (the other kids had also had food before meeting). Less than half an hour later we walk past a shop. The kids all want a treat from the shop and the other Mums say they can have a giant chocolate lollypop or ice cream. By this point I say DD can't have a treat as she's just had two but she can have some fruit or bread if she's hungry. She's upset so I compromise and say she can pick something for Saturday night movie.

Cue massive meltdown from DD as she says it's hard to watch her friends have a treat. It got harder as friends got out one bag then another bag of crisps then more doughnuts for their kids after that. And because I say no, even with calm explanations to DD about different parents different rules, I get the tantrums and the stares from friends like I'm unreasonable. However the tantrum and the feeling of unfairness passes, DD says she isn't actually hungry and plays again happily.

Similarly DD walked into the shop and raised her voice to say "excuse me" while a shopper was browsing where she wanted to go. I whispered in her ear privately that whilst it's good to say excuse me, sometimes you have to wait if people are browsing and say it a bit later and quieter if you need to. In my view she's 9, so is old enough to learn social cues. Cue overreaction from another parent I don't know (of toddlers) of "that's OK, well done for saying excuse me" to cancel out my parenting approach and makes me look mean.

All my friends relent with treats and behaviour if the kids push for it. One of them called their Mum and "evil witch" when she didn't get her snack straight away because her Mum was eating, to which she giggled and said "oh she doesn't actually mean it". My DD would be on final warnings to go home with that. One of the 9 YO pulled a slate tile off a mini house. Her mum told him to put it back but because it isn't enforced he doesn't do anything. I experience this in most parenting circles. Maybe I am a strict hag? Am I outdated?? Although I'm the youngest parent in the group by six years!! What can I say better in those moments to DD?

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DappledThings · 13/10/2024 09:09

lololulu · 13/10/2024 09:08

If that's in response to me why answer if you don't know the answer?

I do. The words put together are entirely clear. He pulled a slate tile off a small house. There's nothing ambiguous in that.

WasThatACorner · 13/10/2024 09:09

LiarLiarKnickersAblaze · 13/10/2024 08:48

Yes, that's on me. And we dealt with that.

I can judge others and also have stuff I need to improve myself. Both things can exist.

Believe me, the other kids would have had a meltdown if they hadn't been funnelled a third donut.

It feels like you might be misusing the word 'meltdown'. It is generally used to describe a complete loss of control and feeling or dysregulation, often by someone who is ND. This isn't something that can be reasoned with, the person needs support whilst in that state and the triggers to be identified and worked in calmer moments.

If your daughter on not getting a bag of sweets and another child on not getting a donut is at this point I think there are massive issues here.

If what you mean is the children are moody / talking back / upset / sulking because they didn't get what they wanted then that is a very different thing.

I think YABU for judging and proudly defending the judging. Parenting is hard enough and you never actually know the full story of what's going on in a family.

However, you wouldn't be unreasonable to choose to spend time with parents who align more with your parenting style. Days out should be enjoyable and it sounds like, whether rightly or wrongly, you are not enjoying days out with these people.

LiarLiarKnickersAblaze · 13/10/2024 09:09

GoldyHorn · 13/10/2024 09:07

I would never have even thought about getting my dc a subway to eat in a park on a day out.

But that doesn't mean I would look down on you for giving your child junk food. Or go on about how society is crumbling. People do what they think is best. Subway is the line that you have decided is good for your daughter. Other people think differently.

I think it's really weird how you can't see that a subway is a load of crap but the other parents are terrible parents for giving their children a different load of crap.

Volume and constant stream of it is my issue here.

But yes, fair point,

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ahemfem · 13/10/2024 09:09

Similarly DD walked into the shop and raised her voice to say "excuse me" while a shopper was browsing where she wanted to go. I whispered in her ear privately that whilst it's good to say excuse me, sometimes you have to wait if people are browsing and say it a bit later and quieter if you need to. In my view she's 9, so is old enough to learn social cues. and this is weird micromanaging

DappledThings · 13/10/2024 09:08

DappledThings · 13/10/2024 09:06

What's confusing about it? They were in the park. I assume it was some kind of play house but a relatively fancy one with real slate tiles. Or a model village. Either way it's vandalism.

Lost the quote in replying. That was to @lololulu

lololulu · 13/10/2024 09:08

DappledThings · 13/10/2024 09:06

What's confusing about it? They were in the park. I assume it was some kind of play house but a relatively fancy one with real slate tiles. Or a model village. Either way it's vandalism.

If that's in response to me why answer if you don't know the answer?

LiarLiarKnickersAblaze · 13/10/2024 09:08

Velvian · 13/10/2024 09:07

You're trying to turn it into how awful other parents are 'these days' vs how sensible you are, but you know you made an error of judgment, otherwise you wouldn't be posting.

Your mistake was giving the alloted 2 treats before meeting up with friends. I don't give my DC 1 to 2 treats everyday, but out with friends in a party atmosphere, I go with the flow.

My DC know what a healthy diet is, want to eat that most of the time and often refuse treats when given the choice. Your DD won't learn to make good choices I'd she isn't given those choices.

She had 1 treat before. Issue was stream of treats i.e. volume.

If I wanted to look perfect I wouldn't have admitted to the meltdown or in mt subsequent posts spoken of how I've struggled.

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GoldyHorn · 13/10/2024 09:07

I would never have even thought about getting my dc a subway to eat in a park on a day out.

But that doesn't mean I would look down on you for giving your child junk food. Or go on about how society is crumbling. People do what they think is best. Subway is the line that you have decided is good for your daughter. Other people think differently.

I think it's really weird how you can't see that a subway is a load of crap but the other parents are terrible parents for giving their children a different load of crap.

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 13/10/2024 09:07

Newyearnewnameagain20 · 13/10/2024 09:03

Honestly I would judge massively too any parent stuffing their children with this amount of junk.? It’s hard OP. Realistically I’d limit the amount of time I spent with them, but also teach DD about why you limit junk food and warn in advance of days out that she can have eg two sugary things if she wants them. I wouldn’t call them treats. They aren’t. They’re more like poison and you love her too much to do that to her!

So would I. But I'd include a parent who gave their 9 yr old a subway, a cookie, a doughnut, and a Saturday evening film treat in that tbh.

mamajong · 13/10/2024 09:07

Yabu, you sound judgey and sanctimonious. At 9 dd is old enoigh to understand that different people have different rules, so you do you and let the others be, or get yourself a new set if friends who share your values.

My friends and I don't parent the same, some are more lenient, others are strict, some are worriers, others are relaxed but we are FRIENDS, we are there to raise each other up, not sit in silent judgement

Pigeonqueen · 13/10/2024 09:07

Personally I couldn’t get worked up about this. I would treat it as a rare day out / one off and just go with the flow, allow extra treats etc.

But - you could turn it on its head and think are these really my people? You sound irritated by them, they don’t parent like you, you don’t like the habits your dd is picking up from their kids. Maybe just distance yourself a bit and try and find other friends?

lololulu · 13/10/2024 09:07

How many times have you been out with these mums?

I think it will be the last.

Velvian · 13/10/2024 09:07

You're trying to turn it into how awful other parents are 'these days' vs how sensible you are, but you know you made an error of judgment, otherwise you wouldn't be posting.

Your mistake was giving the alloted 2 treats before meeting up with friends. I don't give my DC 1 to 2 treats everyday, but out with friends in a party atmosphere, I go with the flow.

My DC know what a healthy diet is, want to eat that most of the time and often refuse treats when given the choice. Your DD won't learn to make good choices I'd she isn't given those choices.

DappledThings · 13/10/2024 09:06

What's confusing about it? They were in the park. I assume it was some kind of play house but a relatively fancy one with real slate tiles. Or a model village. Either way it's vandalism.

stopthepigeonstopthepigeon · 13/10/2024 09:06

Similarly DD walked into the shop and raised her voice to say "excuse me" while a shopper was browsing where she wanted to go. I whispered in her ear privately that whilst it's good to say excuse me, sometimes you have to wait if people are browsing and say it a bit later and quieter if you need to. In my view she's 9, so is old enough to learn social cues. Cue overreaction from another parent I don't know (of toddlers) of "that's OK, well done for saying excuse me" to cancel out my parenting approach and makes me look mean

You can say excuse me if someone’s in the way. Have you never seen anyone do it? Hmm

LiarLiarKnickersAblaze · 13/10/2024 09:06

Newyearnewnameagain20 · 13/10/2024 09:03

Honestly I would judge massively too any parent stuffing their children with this amount of junk.? It’s hard OP. Realistically I’d limit the amount of time I spent with them, but also teach DD about why you limit junk food and warn in advance of days out that she can have eg two sugary things if she wants them. I wouldn’t call them treats. They aren’t. They’re more like poison and you love her too much to do that to her!

It's the warning in advance I need to do more off. I shouldn't have just assumed it was engrained by now.

And you're right. I love her and want her to have a long life. Most people have chronic illnesses from their 40s. I myself have had a junk food addiction in the past in my teenage years. I want her to have treats and see them as treats, not as a regular part of diet.

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zeitweilig · 13/10/2024 09:05

Newyearnewnameagain20 · 13/10/2024 09:03

Honestly I would judge massively too any parent stuffing their children with this amount of junk.? It’s hard OP. Realistically I’d limit the amount of time I spent with them, but also teach DD about why you limit junk food and warn in advance of days out that she can have eg two sugary things if she wants them. I wouldn’t call them treats. They aren’t. They’re more like poison and you love her too much to do that to her!

You wouldn't also include Subway for lunch in this judging?

LiarLiarKnickersAblaze · 13/10/2024 09:04

holju · 13/10/2024 09:02

It's worth remembering you're only seeing a snspshot of these families lives.If my child misbehaves when we're out, I tell him to stop but also address this at home later and take action then (dock pocket money or take away Nintendo)rather than have a public scene. With the witch comment, I'd probably laugh it off in public but it definitely address at home.

I am close enough to know it won't get addressed.

But yes agree I need to deal with it less in the moment.

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lololulu · 13/10/2024 09:03

One of the 9 YO pulled a slate tile off a mini house.

What does this mean?

Newyearnewnameagain20 · 13/10/2024 09:03

Honestly I would judge massively too any parent stuffing their children with this amount of junk.? It’s hard OP. Realistically I’d limit the amount of time I spent with them, but also teach DD about why you limit junk food and warn in advance of days out that she can have eg two sugary things if she wants them. I wouldn’t call them treats. They aren’t. They’re more like poison and you love her too much to do that to her!

zeitweilig · 13/10/2024 09:03

PadstowGirl · 13/10/2024 09:00

Nope, she said she doesn't want her DD getting heart disease, diabetes or cancer! 😖

Eh? Nobody wants their child to get ill. A couple of treats at the weekend is probably not the major thing influencing that! Subway isn't exactly healthy either. 😬

bergamotorange · 13/10/2024 09:03

LiarLiarKnickersAblaze · 13/10/2024 08:58

My point in the post was it's the volume of it. Subway was lunch & a Saturday treat. It's the constant stream of junk food snacks with no rhyme or reason.

So next time give a proper lunch, then you can relax about treats, then you won't have this issue again.

Plus take some better cake if you want control.

LiarLiarKnickersAblaze · 13/10/2024 09:03

Bookishnerd · 13/10/2024 09:01

OP, fwiw, I agree that different parents/different rules is one of the hardest parts of parenting. Really difficult to navigate. On some issues I’m an absolute ogre, v strict, and on others, I’m probably more relaxed. Solidarity there.

But tbh I’m finding your responses to PP quite passive-aggressive and angry and I’m not sure why you are reacting like this. You’ve come on a forum to ask for opinions. People have given you them. You disagree, as is your right. But then you are using hyperbole and ‘so I’m the only one who cares about teeth falling out etc. Ok.’ And it’s really off-putting to those who want to offer genuine advice.

There are a tonne of options you could try:

  • if you are close to the other parents, you could have a ‘two-snacks-pact’ and approach it beforehand. You could really encourage them to think about their own rules in a way that’s gentle and non-judgy
  • you could speak to your DD in advance and prepare her for the different rules/different parents thing. Model it. Ask her how it will feel when she’s not allowed something her peers are, and then walk her through dealing with that emotion so she’s ready and prepared when it happens
  • save your ‘teachable moments’ eg the excuse me thing til after the day out, and then say ‘watch me and I’ll show you what I mean’ while you model it in a shop somewhere

Or disregard all of these options and you do you.

Yeah just frustrated with society I guess.

Thank you for the tips - I have read them & I did feel a bit at a loss for what to do, so thank you.

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5128gap · 13/10/2024 09:03

All you can do is set out your rules for DD beforehand and make it clear that they will be in place regardless of what other DC do. The 'all families are different with different rules, these are my rules for you because..." talk. If you feel your DD isn't able yet to accept this without being upset or angry at the time, then I'd be avoiding the parent/child group days and invite various DCs out with me and DD one to one instead for a while.

ahemfem · 13/10/2024 09:03

You're judging them they're judging you. The whole thing sounds ridiculous so I'd just not bother.

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