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How much to pay a friend to make a Birthday cake??

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Pipercloe · 12/10/2024 20:54

My friends son, who is 16 bakes lovely cakes.

I asked if he would mind baking one for DH birthday.

He is excited to make the cake, but I have no idea how much I should pay for this, I have no clue how much even the ingredients would cost for a cake. I’m on a bit of a budget currently, so don’t want to pay lots but also don’t want to under pay.

What is a reasonable price? 😬

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MinervaMcGonagallsCat · 15/10/2024 17:04

Pipercloe · 12/10/2024 21:07

Okay so he’s going to tell me the price of the ingredients, but says he doesn’t want any extra. But of course I will pay extra.
but how much extra do I pay for his time?

Double the price of the ingredients

Daschund1 · 15/10/2024 17:04

Pipercloe · 12/10/2024 21:03

I think he is planning on a 3 tier cake, with lots of chocolate accessories and some fondant accessories.
I cant imagine the ingredients would cost that much, but I don’t know 🤷🏻‍♀️
It won’t be a huge sized caked, it’s just for us not a party of people.
I asked mostly because I was trying to boost his interest in baking, I’m really not that bothered by a cake, I would happy buying a supermarket one.

You'd be surprised. I only make as gifts now (I was a pastry chef for many years), but a three tier would minimally cost £50 to make. I recently did five tiers with fresh flowers for a niece's wedding, very simple cakes covered in a white chocolate ganache and it cost almost £150 to make.

Singleandproud · 15/10/2024 17:01

It's also a 3 layer cake, not 3 tier. OP corrected herself in a later post.

Trixiefirecracker · 15/10/2024 16:56

NormaLouiseBates · 13/10/2024 07:46

I think you're the only person on here who has said the right kind of amount for a 3 tier cake.

He’s not a professional though and therefore shouldn’t t charge as such.

NormaLouiseBates · 13/10/2024 07:46

TheShellBeach · 12/10/2024 21:52

Sit down with him and ask him how much the ingredients will cost.

Then ask him how many hours he will spend making the cake and icing and decorating it.

Then pay him fairly.

I can't imagine a shop charging less than £300 for a three tier cake.

I think you're the only person on here who has said the right kind of amount for a 3 tier cake.

DreamW3aver · 13/10/2024 06:36

Gollumm · 12/10/2024 23:53

Unless he's registered with his local council to allow him to sell food from his home then it's a moot point. He can legally only charge you for cost of ingredients.

Are there actual l real life people who wouldn't give a kid wanting to practice baking something on top of the ingredients because he's not registered with the council?

I hope I never meet one

Dancingqueen2023 · 13/10/2024 06:31

Hi, I'm a hobby cake person and I usually ask for cost of ingredients. For me it's an easy way to build skills etc that I probably wouldn't have time to practice at home. On average I'd say people would pay me an extra thirty plus a bottle of something

stonebrambleboy · 13/10/2024 06:12

Gollumm · 12/10/2024 23:53

Unless he's registered with his local council to allow him to sell food from his home then it's a moot point. He can legally only charge you for cost of ingredients.

I'd get him an Amazon gift voucher then.

stonebrambleboy · 13/10/2024 06:10

YourLastNerve · 12/10/2024 22:33

From some googling, do food hygiene ratings even apply if you are not operating a business?

I think pretty much every PTA/WI/Rotary club/Scout fundraiser is more at risk than me making my kids birthday cakes, given none of those have their hygiene certificates either that I've ever come across.

Add Macmillan coffee mornings to that list too.

Onthecarpet2002 · 13/10/2024 05:41

At least the cosy of the ingredients, which is quite pricey these days. Plus the cake board, the cake box to carry it in. Plus minimum hourly wage for his age group

MumChp · 13/10/2024 01:32

Gollumm · 12/10/2024 23:53

Unless he's registered with his local council to allow him to sell food from his home then it's a moot point. He can legally only charge you for cost of ingredients.

You don't really suggest only to pay for ingrediens?

Dawevi · 13/10/2024 00:04

Pipercloe · 12/10/2024 21:17

I don’t want to seem ungrateful, I do want to pay a fair price hence asking on here.
I am just a bit annoyed with myself for asking as our finances are a bit low currently, and I was more asking as I knew it would boast his confidence, I was never fussed by the cake. I never knew how expensive cakes are to make until now

Didn't you? Presumably you know they take a few hours and that people will charge more than minimum wage for a skill like cake making and decorating. If you'd thought about it for a few seconds you would have realised you'd be looking at £30-40 just in labour at least, plus the ingredients.

I think you need to give him at least £60.

Moveoverdarlin · 12/10/2024 23:57

Ingredients will be more than you think. Butter and eggs alone are pricey now.

I’d pay for the ingredients and then thirty quid on top.

Gollumm · 12/10/2024 23:53

Unless he's registered with his local council to allow him to sell food from his home then it's a moot point. He can legally only charge you for cost of ingredients.

PassMeTheCookies · 12/10/2024 23:51

ThinWomansBrain · 12/10/2024 23:18

amazed at the number of people that don't understand the concept of a reuseable cake container
ANGIX 30cm Cake Box with Handle

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It's not that people don't understand the concept. It's more so that when you're baking a cake for somebody, they usually take the cake away and it gets eaten over the course of a few days. It also doesn't look professional presented in one of those. They're fine for a cake for your nana, but for a birthday party or occasion, people generally want a board and box they don't need to then return.

YourLastNerve · 12/10/2024 23:40

I'm amazed all the people assuming he must want paying.

I'd be so embarrassed if friends offered money for me making them a cake (beyond ingredients cost). I'm doing it as a friend, being offered money would make me feel like they didn't value me as a friend and felt obliged to pay

Do be aware some people could be quite offended at being offered hourly wage etc for something they want to offer as a gift or sign of appreciation.

user1471556818 · 12/10/2024 23:25

Pipercloe · 12/10/2024 21:03

I think he is planning on a 3 tier cake, with lots of chocolate accessories and some fondant accessories.
I cant imagine the ingredients would cost that much, but I don’t know 🤷🏻‍♀️
It won’t be a huge sized caked, it’s just for us not a party of people.
I asked mostly because I was trying to boost his interest in baking, I’m really not that bothered by a cake, I would happy buying a supermarket one.

That's already a lot of money buy the ingredients and then pay him £15 an hr still a bargain .

ThinWomansBrain · 12/10/2024 23:18

amazed at the number of people that don't understand the concept of a reuseable cake container
ANGIX 30cm Cake Box with Handle

Swollenandgrouchy · 12/10/2024 23:14

A retired friend in my village charges me £45 for a one tier fondant iced cake with a few fondant decorations on (fondant letters spelling a name, for example) for my kids
birthday parties. (I’d pay more if she asked, but it’s always £45!)

if there is anything particular / fancy the kids ask for in terms of decorations, i buy them and give them to her.

YourLastNerve · 12/10/2024 23:09

Absolutely great if you have the time to learn techniques and have the ability to decorate a cake 🤦‍♀️Many people do not have the time or inclination to do it themselves

Of course. But for many people it is enjoyable.

I often think we've lost track of the notion of a hobby. Everyone wants to do everything for money. Its not enough to love singing & enjoy the church choir etc, everyone wants to be a professional singer.

There's space for hobbyists and professionals. As a pp said for all the people out there who love doing it for fun, there's all those who hate it and are happy to pay £150 for a child's birthday cake in order to not think about it.

Georgeofthejungle · 12/10/2024 23:05

YourLastNerve · 12/10/2024 22:57

Honestly i think a lot of people in the baking industry are determined to professionalise this type of thing. I suspect because reality is, the fact that there are lots of skilled hobby bakers out there happily making a retirement cake for Ken from accounts for free, is one of the biggest factors limiting what people are then willing to pay a "professional" baker for their time.

I've never bought a professional cake for the huge price tags you see quoted on here, I'd always simply nake my own. Its not that hard once you've learned a few techniques and built up a stash of kit. Its a hobby to me, i enjoy the time I spend doing it so I don't need to charge for it. Of course the professional bakers hate people like me, it undercuts anyone wanting to be paid for time spent on this.

Agree with this for the most part and that’s likely the reason for backlash in here.

However, I am actually a professional baker and really I couldn’t care less about hobbyists. There are customers out there for us all and everyone has different budgets. 💕

fallenbranches · 12/10/2024 23:01

I used to make cakes for family and friends and received no money for it. I did stop not because I didn't like it but it was very time consuming. Ingredients can cost anything from £20-£30. It included different packs of fondant icing, as I used to make the iced decorations myself, the base, the basic ingredients, cake box. It would take a couple of days with both evenings before dedicated to it. It really depends on exactly how detailed and decorated the cake is. Baking it is the easy part, it's all the rest!

Emliznoah · 12/10/2024 23:01

YourLastNerve · 12/10/2024 22:57

Honestly i think a lot of people in the baking industry are determined to professionalise this type of thing. I suspect because reality is, the fact that there are lots of skilled hobby bakers out there happily making a retirement cake for Ken from accounts for free, is one of the biggest factors limiting what people are then willing to pay a "professional" baker for their time.

I've never bought a professional cake for the huge price tags you see quoted on here, I'd always simply nake my own. Its not that hard once you've learned a few techniques and built up a stash of kit. Its a hobby to me, i enjoy the time I spend doing it so I don't need to charge for it. Of course the professional bakers hate people like me, it undercuts anyone wanting to be paid for time spent on this.

Absolutely great if you have the time to learn techniques and have the ability to decorate a cake 🤦‍♀️Many people do not have the time or inclination to do it themselves!

BananaSplitSandwich · 12/10/2024 23:01

Pipercloe · 12/10/2024 21:03

I think he is planning on a 3 tier cake, with lots of chocolate accessories and some fondant accessories.
I cant imagine the ingredients would cost that much, but I don’t know 🤷🏻‍♀️
It won’t be a huge sized caked, it’s just for us not a party of people.
I asked mostly because I was trying to boost his interest in baking, I’m really not that bothered by a cake, I would happy buying a supermarket one.

I make cakes and occasionally sell them. From that description, I’d charge around £100. You have to consider the ingredients, time, electricity etc. It’s not cheap to make a cake.

MosaicRhino · 12/10/2024 22:59

If the ship has sailed with giving him a budget I'd whack £30 on top of the ingredients cost / round that to the nearest 5.