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midnightmeows · 12/10/2024 20:00

I'm on the fence about woo things, however I do like reading stories.

There are lots of stories about time slip experiences, with the most well known being Bold Street, Liverpool. The stories I find interesting are when more than one person (from the 'present' time) sees the 'past' at the same time. In that case it can't be a hallucination - they're either both colluding liars or they really did see 'something'.

Has anyone had any such experiences? I suppose if such a thing exists, we could 'slip' an hour or a day into the past and not even realise.

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Barbiepink1 · 12/10/2024 20:47

Plus if people can believe in god, then why not time travel or time slips etc

3hrMax · 12/10/2024 20:47

No, I don't believe at all.

The Bold Street ones are always cited as the most famous example but, having dug into them, I can't find a single first hand account. Just random internet posts about how "my mates' cousin's dog's neighbour says that she read in the paper that...."

Babbadoobabbadock · 12/10/2024 20:47

Had many a time slip on Bold street, might have been the 2 for 1 cocktails though 🤷🏻‍♀️

NewNameNoelle · 12/10/2024 20:46

I’d like to think it was possible. Life is rather dull, predictable, glum at the moment nationally and internationally.

A little bit of time slip would add a certain something to the humdrum day-to-day. I’d also like to think there is lots we don’t yet understand about time and space. So from
an optimistic perspective, yes, I do.

Barbiepink1 · 12/10/2024 20:45

The Philadelphia Experiment: A Historical and Theoretical Examination
Contents

  1. Introduction
  2. Historical Context
  3. The Alleged Incident
  4. 3.1. Theoretical Claims
  5. 3.2. Key Figures Involved
  6. Scientific and Technological Feasibility
  7. 4.1. Electromagnetic Theory
  8. 4.2. Quantum Physics and Space-Time Manipulation
  9. Debunking and Skepticism
  10. 5.1. Investigative Reports
  11. 5.2. Scientific Refutations
  12. Cultural Impact and Conspiracy Theories
  13. Conclusion
  1. Introduction

The "Philadelphia Experiment" refers to a widely discussed but debunked conspiracy theory surrounding an alleged U.S. Navy experiment in 1943, during World War II. This experiment supposedly involved a destroyer escort, the USS Eldridge, which was made invisible to radar, and in some accounts, to the naked eye, through the use of advanced electromagnetic technology. Further claims assert that this experiment resulted in unintended consequences, such as the crew being disoriented or even becoming "fused" to the ship. Despite the lack of credible evidence supporting the event, the Philadelphia Experiment has gained a significant following in popular culture, often linked with theories about government cover-ups and secret military technologies.

  1. Historical Context

The roots of the Philadelphia Experiment story can be traced back to the early Cold War period, a time rife with paranoia about secret military projects. In 1955, the tale first gained public attention when a former merchant marine, Carl M. Allen (or Carlos Allende), sent a series of letters to the UFO researcher Morris K. Jessup. In these letters, Allen claimed to have witnessed the secret military experiment in Philadelphia’s naval yard, involving the invisibility of a ship. He suggested that Albert Einstein’s unified field theory was the scientific basis for the technology used.

During this time, the U.S. was indeed working on classified projects such as the Manhattan Project, radar, and sonar technologies. However, no verifiable record links the USS Eldridge or any other ship to such an experiment.

  1. The Alleged Incident

3.1. Theoretical Claims

According to the story, on October 28, 1943, the USS Eldridge was equipped with powerful generators capable of creating an electromagnetic field. When activated, this field allegedly rendered the ship invisible to enemy radar. Some versions of the story claim that the ship also became invisible to the human eye and even teleported from Philadelphia to Norfolk, Virginia, and back.

Carl Allen’s letters claim that this involved aspects of Einstein’s unified field theory, which postulated the possibility of unifying electromagnetism and gravity, though this theory was never fully realized by Einstein himself. The Philadelphia Experiment narrative implies that military technology had somehow achieved this unification, allowing them to manipulate space, time, and electromagnetic radiation.

3.2. Key Figures Involved

  • Carl Allen (Carlos Allende): The primary source for the Philadelphia Experiment story, he claimed to have witnessed the event and sent several letters to Jessup, a researcher of unidentified flying objects.
  • Morris K. Jessup: An astronomer and author who was intrigued by the claims, he would become one of the central figures popularizing the story. His correspondence with Allen set off years of speculation.
  • USS Eldridge: A destroyer escort ship commissioned in 1943, central to the claims. Official Navy records show the ship was never in Philadelphia at the time the experiment allegedly took place.
  1. Scientific and Technological Feasibility

4.1. Electromagnetic Theory

The concept of using electromagnetic fields to render objects invisible is scientifically implausible as described in the Philadelphia Experiment story. In 1943, radar jamming and other electronic countermeasures were under development, but these involved scrambling enemy detection systems rather than physically making objects disappear. The idea that electromagnetic fields could manipulate space and time on such a scale requires a level of technology far beyond what existed at the time, and even beyond the current understanding of physics.

4.2. Quantum Physics and Space-Time Manipulation

Quantum physics, which deals with the behavior of particles on a subatomic scale, does entertain the possibility of phenomena like quantum tunneling or even the manipulation of space-time. However, these theories operate at incredibly small scales and have no applicability to large objects such as ships. Theories involving wormholes or teleportation are speculative and remain theoretical concepts, with no evidence suggesting they have been successfully demonstrated in practice.

  1. Debunking and Skepticism

5.1. Investigative Reports

Investigative journalists and skeptics have extensively examined the Philadelphia Experiment claims. Key investigations include research into Navy records, which show that the USS Eldridge was not in Philadelphia at the time. The ship's log places it in Bermuda during the period of the alleged experiment, effectively debunking the story's timeline.

Further, crew members of the USS Eldridge have consistently denied any involvement in or knowledge of such an experiment. The Office of Naval Research (ONR) has also issued statements asserting that the Navy never conducted such experiments.

5.2. Scientific Refutations

Scientific refutations focus on the technological impossibility of such an event. Even today, rendering a ship invisible using electromagnetic fields remains outside the realm of feasibility. The laws of physics as we understand them would not support the type of spatial or temporal manipulation required to teleport or phase-shift a vessel of the size and complexity of a naval destroyer.

  1. Cultural Impact and Conspiracy Theories

Despite being debunked, the Philadelphia Experiment has endured in popular culture. It has inspired books, films, and numerous conspiracy theories involving secret military experiments. The enduring appeal of such stories lies in their combination of technological intrigue, government secrecy, and the tantalizing possibility of otherworldly phenomena. The experiment is frequently linked to UFO conspiracy theories, the Montauk Project, and speculation about government efforts to harness advanced technologies for covert purposes.

  1. Conclusion

The Philadelphia Experiment remains an enduring piece of conspiracy folklore. While thoroughly debunked by scientific and historical evidence, its story has permeated popular culture due to its themes of invisibility, teleportation, and government secrecy. At the heart of the myth is a blend of post-war paranoia and the human fascination with the unknown. Ultimately, the Philadelphia Experiment serves as a reminder of the power of conspiracy theories and the challenges of distinguishing fact from fiction in the face of extraordinary claims.

Rosscameasdoody · 12/10/2024 20:44

Onelifeonly · 12/10/2024 20:32

No. But I love them when used as a device in a story. I once heard a very coherent explanation of why travel in time is impossible but can't recall it and science MAY have moved on, I suppose

I remember watching Prof Brian Cox explaining something about the arrow of time and how for very scientific reasons that went right over my head, it can only move in one direction. I live not far from Bold Street in Liverpool and have heard many a tale about the legendary time slip that occurs there.

DressOrSkirt · 12/10/2024 20:44

Yes, this is how things move around my house without me touching them. When I was moving it on another day I slipped into today, moved it, and slipped back.

OnYourTogs · 12/10/2024 20:43

Don't believe in anything like that, there is no evidence for it at all. I enjoy it it in fiction though, makes a good novel

Barbiepink1 · 12/10/2024 20:42

KeepinOn · 12/10/2024 20:41

Actual time travel isn't possible without space travel too, because the galaxy is moving at unimaginably high speeds through the universe, so the earth 20/40/100 years ago was thousands/millions of miles away from where it is now.

I like the idea of different dimensions existing at the same time and in the same physical space as our dimension, layered on top of each other like pages in a book. It's a fun concept to think about, and there are plenty of great stories that play with the idea.

which is a good point and concludes with this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Experiment

Philadelphia Experiment - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Experiment

MoneyMilk · 12/10/2024 20:42

Is a Time Slip what happens in the movie About Time?

LorettyTen · 12/10/2024 20:41

No but I have walked up and down Bold St many times and I always think about that! I've never experienced anything unusual there though.

KeepinOn · 12/10/2024 20:41

Actual time travel isn't possible without space travel too, because the galaxy is moving at unimaginably high speeds through the universe, so the earth 20/40/100 years ago was thousands/millions of miles away from where it is now.

I like the idea of different dimensions existing at the same time and in the same physical space as our dimension, layered on top of each other like pages in a book. It's a fun concept to think about, and there are plenty of great stories that play with the idea.

MasterBeth · 12/10/2024 20:40

Barbiepink1 · 12/10/2024 20:30

well that may be, but the military are hardly going to admit that yes we can time travel for starters ?

Yesterday, I learned to fly. Like Superman, you know. At the speed of light.

Yet ask the military and they will deny any knowledge of it.

StoatofDisarray · 12/10/2024 20:38

No.

MasterBeth · 12/10/2024 20:37

LaurieFairyCake · 12/10/2024 20:29

Sort of.

I don't believe any other conspiracy theories (really, none) but I don't see it as different to particle physics

There's so much shit we don't know, that's why we call it science

Science replicates stuff and sometimes we have to figure out after what it means

The planet is utterly incredible in the true sense of the word

Particle physics is about the strange behaviour of sub-atomic particles.

"Time slips" are claims that entire blocks of existence somehow moved backwards through time. It is ludicrous to extrapolate from one to another

SprigatitoYouAndIKnow · 12/10/2024 20:37

No, I do believe that people see things, but that they are more likely to be hallucinations, tricks of the light, someone dressed unusually and of course confirmation bias. Someone hearing "did you just see that?" Is much more likely to decide that they did see it, even if it isn't true.

We also look at things in a modern eye. So a painting of a young lady going out for a walk staring her prayer book would look to us like she was holding a phone. Everyone from the time would know it couldn't be anything but a prayer book.

5128gap · 12/10/2024 20:36

Well you'd firstly have to accept the idea that every second of time that's ever passed and will ever come to pass are all going on simultaneously. Which is mind bending enough. Then you'd have to accept the possibility of moving between them and all the paradoxes that entails. And that's all too much for my brain to cope with. So I tend to go with no.

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 12/10/2024 20:34

Nope.

midnightmeows · 12/10/2024 20:34

Yep, they're both colluding online, where you read it.

I meant that people say they saw it at the same time as another person, for example the two people who were walking on Bold Street, saw an old shop and tried to go i, and then (allegedly) turned to each other and said 'did you see that?' It was on a TV episode of Danny Robins Uncanny last year.

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LaurieFairyCake · 12/10/2024 20:33

Not everything is replicable either

Another explanation apart from time leaking like a wormhole is multiple people accessing the collective consciousness

That I definitely believe in

Barbiepink1 · 12/10/2024 20:33

time itself from a science point of view is considered like a river than a straight arrow of time

Onelifeonly · 12/10/2024 20:32

No. But I love them when used as a device in a story. I once heard a very coherent explanation of why travel in time is impossible but can't recall it and science MAY have moved on, I suppose

Barbiepink1 · 12/10/2024 20:32

Gall10 · 12/10/2024 20:31

Get them to transport me forward a few hours and I’ll get tonight’s lottery numbers.

just get me a copy too please

Gall10 · 12/10/2024 20:31

Barbiepink1 · 12/10/2024 20:09

One of the most popular claims is that researchers at Montauk developed the ability to manipulate time and space. Allegedly using advanced physics, they could transport individuals through time, into alternate realities, or different dimensions.

Get them to transport me forward a few hours and I’ll get tonight’s lottery numbers.

Barbiepink1 · 12/10/2024 20:30

MasterBeth · 12/10/2024 20:29

The time travel claims of the Montauk Project are largely built on the testimonies of a few individuals who have come forward with detailed but unsubstantiated accounts.

i.e. it's a load of made-up bollocks.

well that may be, but the military are hardly going to admit that yes we can time travel for starters ?