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Do you do this? If so, WHY???????!!!!!!

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ThatIsNotMyNameSoWhyAreYouCallingMeThat · 12/10/2024 14:32

It’s my birthday. 47 years on this planet. Had the same name for all of them.

Just two cards through the post, one from each of my mum’s sisters. Both of whom came to my wedding 20 years ago, where the words Mr + Mrs Hisname never appeared, and the cheques they each kindly gave us had to be corrected because neither of us changed our names. (They noticed we hadn’t cashed them and we had to tell them we couldn’t pay them in as we had no joint account (still don’t) and so no account existed that would recognise me as Sarah Hisname.

So why, 20 years on, with a few gentle reminders on the way, are the envelopes addressed to Mrs S Hisname and Sarah Myname-Hisname?

It’s very sweet of them to send cards at all, as a text would be absolutely fine, but I’m bamboozled by why anyone would go to the effort of buying and sending a card to someone and using a name they have NEVER used?

So if you do this, WHY?!

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RosesAndHellebores · 14/10/2024 06:35

Interestingly my grandmother married a forriner in 1934. They adopted her maiden name.

Before I got married I was Miss, because I was single. When I married I became Mrs. I agree with a pp that Ms and Miss probably need to be abandoned altogether in the same way that Master has been abandoned. People will still know if others are married because of the ring. Perhaps that practice should be abandoned too.

MissTrip82 · 14/10/2024 06:28

😂😂😂😂😂 someone actually described other women using their own name as ‘mad feminists’ .

Loving the amazing attempted GOTCHA from the woman who thinks her name is her father’s but her husband’s name is his own……what an amazing insight into her view of her own sex. We literally never own our names. Only men do.

Would be interesting to do a reverse and post about relatives repeatedly writing to ‘Miss SameName’ instead of ‘Mrs MarriedName’. I suspect it would be easier for some to grasp how rude this behaviour is.

ahemfem · 14/10/2024 06:22

JHound · 14/10/2024 01:59

In layman’s terms they are deliberately getting your name wrong for two decades. If they called you the wrong first name for 20 years people would clearly see the issue.

This is no different.

Thank you! This is exactly right. I don't get all these people who go ahhh it's fine. They might as well write an incoherent mess on the envelope/card what's the point of sending it if you're not going to send it properly l?

ahemfem · 14/10/2024 06:17

BoldAmberDuck · 13/10/2024 17:40

Really? Rude? Of course not. They’re sending her a card which is nice and probably forget the name situation. If you think that’s rude get over yourself!

They might as well not bother sending her the card.

JHound · 14/10/2024 01:59

In layman’s terms they are deliberately getting your name wrong for two decades. If they called you the wrong first name for 20 years people would clearly see the issue.

This is no different.

JHound · 14/10/2024 01:58

WinterOfMyLife · 12/10/2024 17:03

I didn’t want to change my name. Wanted DCs to have my name as it’s rarer than DH’s. We had a massive barney over this and didn’t speak for a while. It was ridiculous. Then I thought to myself—why am I so attached to my father’s name? If I wanted to make a point I would have taken an old maternal surname, but no matter how far back I went, it would still be a man’s name imposed on a woman. So I gave up and accepted it for what it is. Just a name.
Those cards were sent with love. Try not to tie yourself in knots over a genuine mistake.

Why does your husband own his surname but yours is merely your father’s?

JHound · 14/10/2024 01:56

ThatIsNotMyNameSoWhyAreYouCallingMeThat · 12/10/2024 14:32

It’s my birthday. 47 years on this planet. Had the same name for all of them.

Just two cards through the post, one from each of my mum’s sisters. Both of whom came to my wedding 20 years ago, where the words Mr + Mrs Hisname never appeared, and the cheques they each kindly gave us had to be corrected because neither of us changed our names. (They noticed we hadn’t cashed them and we had to tell them we couldn’t pay them in as we had no joint account (still don’t) and so no account existed that would recognise me as Sarah Hisname.

So why, 20 years on, with a few gentle reminders on the way, are the envelopes addressed to Mrs S Hisname and Sarah Myname-Hisname?

It’s very sweet of them to send cards at all, as a text would be absolutely fine, but I’m bamboozled by why anyone would go to the effort of buying and sending a card to someone and using a name they have NEVER used?

So if you do this, WHY?!

I don’t get the people that think you are being unreasonable?!

I am even annoyed when people address things to me using “Miss” instead of “Ms”. They should not assume your surname just because you are married and why would they not just send a card to your first name / last name.

I would be annoyed too.

summerdawn · 14/10/2024 01:30

This is a slight tangent from the surname issue itself, but I find it so disheartening that so many women still put up with Miss/Ms/Mrs here, and that this country persists in using “Miss” as an official title. (Is it just Britain, or all English-speaking countries?) I don’t think it’s necessarily going anywhere soon either, based on comments from some teenage girls I’ve taught. (I told them I was Ms, when they asked me; they questioned what the point of “Ms” was and I said it was the equivalent of Mr, so does not change according to marital status. Their response? “oh so Miss do you use that because you don’t want people to know you’re not married?”…)

Other countries have effectively abolished their equivalent of “Miss” for all except those still of school age/not yet adults. For e.g. in France, it’s now Madame whether married or single; in Spain, Señora; in Poland, Pani; in Italy, Signora; in Germany, Frau; and so on. I think Fräulein (“Miss”) was officially abolished as a title for adult women in the early seventies in Germany, in response to concerns raised on the grounds of feminism and the lack of a male equivalent.

Maybe we should start addressing all the unmarried men we know as “Master”, but then again they might not interpret that word correctly…(who else remembers I Dream of Jeannie?)

MajorUrsa · 14/10/2024 01:17

I never changed my last name to my husband's but I do like the novelty of receiving cards from some friends addressed to Mrs HisName. But I couldn't ever actually change it - the number of Es, Bs and Ps in his name make it too annoying to spell out all the time and life is too short.

MrsMac221 · 14/10/2024 01:07

Neither of my brothers wives changed their name and got quiet upset very early on when cards were sent to Mr & Mrs Mac221 however both insisted on referring to me as Mrs DHName on any card they ever send me…love them dearly but this drives me mad!!

SensibleJaneAndrews · 14/10/2024 00:24

Anyone pretending that a man gaining a rank as a result of his career or an honour is the same thing as a woman’s title depending on her marital status, is either utterly disingenuous or seriously thick. Personally I refuse to accept that the supermarket, water board or estate agent NEED to know my marital status to provide me with a service. So I choose something like Admiral, The Venerable or Mother Superior Jane. I can identify as I bloody well like. So can OP.

eastegg · 13/10/2024 23:24

Cosyblankets · 12/10/2024 15:47

Don't the envelopes just go in the bin? Did the card not just say to Sarah and John?
So what does it matter?
If the cheque was written to mr and Mrs hisname could he not just have paid it into his bank?

No, you can’t pay a cheque written to two people into a single person’s account. I know because I’ve also had someone assume I and my husband have a joint account.

RosesAndHellebores · 13/10/2024 22:56

PostmanPatAlwaysRingsTwice · 13/10/2024 22:51

And for men, all the way through? Mr John Kelly. We don’t need to know if he’s single, married, separated, divorced or widowed because it doesn’t change his social status.

His social status would change if he was or became:

Sir, kt or bt
Lord
Rev'd
Dr
Brigadier
Colonel
Captain
Etc

I suppose you are aware that a woman can become a Dame. As well as taking a title of rank in the forces.

RosesAndHellebores · 13/10/2024 22:52

PostmanPatAlwaysRingsTwice · 13/10/2024 22:48

You think it’s odd, and just nod and smile, because your DIL didn’t give up her first name in favour of your son’s? Bloody hell. Don’t think she doesn’t count as a full person?

I have said quite clearly that I accept times have changed and I respect the change.

I'm sorry you didn't grasp the facts.

PostmanPatAlwaysRingsTwice · 13/10/2024 22:51

ScrollingLeaves · 12/10/2024 16:40

That etiquette existed until quite recently. Definitely in the ‘50s 60s 70s and actually even up to this century if not beyond.

It is probably still the correct form
in the U.K. even if someone’s maiden/own name is also now equally correct, according to choice.

I agree though that ideally OP’s aunts should remember her preference.

I can’t find an U.K. etiquette guide on line, but here is the well-known US one still including Mrs Hisname Hissurname as well as the choice for the woman using her own name.

(From Emily Post)

Addressing a Woman

Maiden name
Ms. Jane Johnson
Miss Jane Johnson*
*Usually ‘Miss’ is for girls under 18

Married, keeping maiden name
Ms. Jane Johnson

Married, uses husband’s name socially
Mrs. John Kelly
Mrs. Jane Kelly*
*Nowadays this is acceptable
Ms. Jane Kelly

Separated, not divorced
Mrs. John Kelly
Mrs. Jane Kelly
Ms. Jane Kelly

Divorced
Mrs. Jane Kelly
Ms. Jane Kelly
Ms. Jane Johnson (maiden name)

Widowed
Mrs. John Kelly*
*If you don’t know the widow’s preference, this is the traditional and preferred form
Mrs. Jane Kelly
Ms. Jane Kelly

I shouldn’t think the Palace would address Victoria Starmer as Ms Victoria X. if they were to send her an invitation as an individual.

And for men, all the way through? Mr John Kelly. We don’t need to know if he’s single, married, separated, divorced or widowed because it doesn’t change his social status.

PostmanPatAlwaysRingsTwice · 13/10/2024 22:48

RosesAndHellebores · 12/10/2024 16:36

I still wonder if Mrs Jane Smith is divorced when I see it.

DIL took DS's name but calls herself Mrs Susie surname. It seems odd to me but is today's way so I nod and smile and respect it.

You think it’s odd, and just nod and smile, because your DIL didn’t give up her first name in favour of your son’s? Bloody hell. Don’t think she doesn’t count as a full person?

NannyGythaOgg · 13/10/2024 19:43

I'm with you.
I'm 70, I took my ex's name and wish I hadn't. Never changed it back because the kids both had his name too and by the time they were adult, I just couldn't be bothered with the hassle.

My sister, who is 10 years older than me, didn't take her (ex)husband's name. No children though, so one less complication. BUT she's 80. I can understand my parent's generation (Now over 100 if still living) but not anyone under 80, still less people in their 50s. There are a lot of misogynistic women out there.

Socksey · 13/10/2024 19:40

I get it... it drives me nuts too..
In my case it's not the older generation who address stuff to Mrs Hisname but my brother and sister, nothing younger than me and in their 40s... I've been with OH over 30 years and married most of that, so it's nothing new.... my gran in her 90s at the time had no.issue or comprehension failure...
It's plain rude and indicate that their opinion or way of doing things is more important.... and for all those saying to get over it, it would be interesting to see how long you'd be happy about being called by someone else's name .

Pipsquiggle · 13/10/2024 19:17

ThatIsNotMyNameSoWhyAreYouCallingMeThat · 13/10/2024 10:20

It would take at least 12 hours to “pop round” to each of them. Which is why they are the only ones to send cards through the post. And which makes it even more ridiculous because how is DH’s surname so memorable to them when they see him less than once a year on average but they see mine on Facebook several times a week?! And they remember to use my surname for DD!

I asked my mum to mention it last year, because each additional year it happened (the gentle reminders but the next card being addressed the same way) was affecting me. Even that hasn’t landed. Who knows if she reminded them in the run up as well this year.

@ThatIsNotMyNameSoWhyAreYouCallingMeThat
I asked you earlier - do you think that they are thick or doing this on purpose?

If they are thick, you need to tell them very specifically and directly - thanks for the cards, our names are ......... Please update your records as getting incorrectly addressed cards is a bit insensitive after all this time.

Asking your DM to 'mention' it hasn't worked.

If you think they are doing it deliberately then do what you like.

You not opening the cards in a passive aggressive stand will change nothing.

ParrotPirouette · 13/10/2024 19:09

My sister used to send cards in the post to the wrong address for the 20 years I lived there. She always put 22 Main Road, Forest Green instead of 22 Main Road, [place name] Green
i told her every time, it never changed.

Now I live somewhere else, she puts 11 St Pauls Road instead of 11 [correct saint’s] Road.
Infuriating. I think she just doesn’t care, but then why bother sending them at all?

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 13/10/2024 19:06

They probably just want to wish you a happy Christmas and think of you as Mr and Mrs. Older relatives do the same to me and I don’t mind particularly. The cheques are annoying though!

ColdWaterDipper · 13/10/2024 19:02

Just suck it up. My sister in law never fails to spell my sons name incorrectly in cards (the girls
version instead of the boys spelling), however I just think that it’s nice she has remembered to send him a card. It’s mildly irritating but nothing more.

ohyesido · 13/10/2024 18:18

Are they mad old spinsters who live together Patty and Selma style?

OneDandyPoet · 13/10/2024 17:51

BoldAmberDuck · 13/10/2024 17:40

Really? Rude? Of course not. They’re sending her a card which is nice and probably forget the name situation. If you think that’s rude get over yourself!

So you haven’t read the entire thread?. Of course they being rude.

SouthLondonMum22 · 13/10/2024 17:42

BoldAmberDuck · 13/10/2024 17:40

Really? Rude? Of course not. They’re sending her a card which is nice and probably forget the name situation. If you think that’s rude get over yourself!

You clearly haven’t read the thread.

They see her correct name on Facebook daily
they magically remember that her child has her last name
It’s been years
They’ve had many reminders

How isn’t it rude?