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Do you do this? If so, WHY???????!!!!!!

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ThatIsNotMyNameSoWhyAreYouCallingMeThat · 12/10/2024 14:32

It’s my birthday. 47 years on this planet. Had the same name for all of them.

Just two cards through the post, one from each of my mum’s sisters. Both of whom came to my wedding 20 years ago, where the words Mr + Mrs Hisname never appeared, and the cheques they each kindly gave us had to be corrected because neither of us changed our names. (They noticed we hadn’t cashed them and we had to tell them we couldn’t pay them in as we had no joint account (still don’t) and so no account existed that would recognise me as Sarah Hisname.

So why, 20 years on, with a few gentle reminders on the way, are the envelopes addressed to Mrs S Hisname and Sarah Myname-Hisname?

It’s very sweet of them to send cards at all, as a text would be absolutely fine, but I’m bamboozled by why anyone would go to the effort of buying and sending a card to someone and using a name they have NEVER used?

So if you do this, WHY?!

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SouthLondonMum22 · 14/10/2024 14:57

MereDintofPandiculation · 14/10/2024 13:40

But you're not married to Mr Parker. I will forgive Mrs husband's-name but not Mrs Fathers-name - it may be my name too but I've never been married to my father.

Mr Parker’s dad is usually Mr Parker too. He’s never been married to his father either.

ThatIsNotMyNameSoWhyAreYouCallingMeThat · 14/10/2024 14:53

Parker231 · 14/10/2024 13:55

I kept Parker when I got married as it was the surname I’d had all my life.

It’s the use of Mrs (wife of) that confuses that.

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ThatIsNotMyNameSoWhyAreYouCallingMeThat · 14/10/2024 14:52

SerafinasGoose · 14/10/2024 12:45

Girls. At their age, that probably gives an insight into just to the sort of maturity level you're dealing with. Passive aggression admittedly riles me because of the cowardly element of plausible deniability it involves. I will back off instantly from anyone who tries that number on me; it simply isn't something I'm willing to engage with.

In response to a former reply to you, 50-something is Generation X. Those are the daughters of the second wave, and these women are far more likely to have kept their own names than some of those coming later. That generation were taught to value independence, and since the sex discrimination act of 1975 had enjoyed far more rights and weren't about to give up the exercising of those new rights lightly.

Anecdotally I've noted a dip since then, albeit in my profession the majority of women retain their own family names.

I’m also Gen X.

One aunty broke the glass ceiling in a male-dominated industry. But has apparently forgotten that now.

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ThatIsNotMyNameSoWhyAreYouCallingMeThat · 14/10/2024 14:51

mugglewump · 14/10/2024 12:46

I get this from family all the time. Cheques I would send back to be corrected/rewritten, anything else I just leave be. Likewise if I get a caller who asks if I am Mrs X, I say yes because technically I am. I just don't use the name. It's no big deal.

You’re not though. You can use the name if you want to, but it’s absolutely not compulsory.

And I would see that as kowtowing to the unenlightened.

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OneDandyPoet · 14/10/2024 14:48

OneDandyPoet · 14/10/2024 14:39

That just makes me so desperately sad for your mum, and for all the women like this, that had no power over their own lives, because they were still considered essentially the property of their husbands, who in turn were the only ones that were allowed to make the decisions. With the name thing, this is exactly what it originally boils down to. The moment you married Mr John Smith, you immediately lost your name, a massive part of your identity, you lost agency over a great chunk of your life, because in that moment you became Mrs John Smith, who was now in charge of your life, and now you were properly. So sad.

And now you were his property*.

OneDandyPoet · 14/10/2024 14:39

Howmanyusernames123 · 14/10/2024 10:39

My dad died in 1986.

all his banking was immediately shut down leaving my mum with nothing as she had no account in her own name with anything in. No joint accounts then.

I remember her buying something in a big department store, and the assistant saying they had a discount if she took out a credit card. Great! Only to find she had to put her husband’s details on the form and his income. No husband income, no credit card. Didn’t matter what her own income was.

lots of incidents similar. Lost count of the times we were stood in the bank, or a car dealership, or a shop arguing that they couldn’t deal with her because of the lack of husband.

in 1986. Obviously things have changed since but this is relatively recent. Memories are short and people forget that rape within marriage was legal until 1991.

i work in a technical field. Many of our customers still perceive the male employees to be more knowledgeable than the female, even when the female has specific knowledge in a certain area.

feminism matters in the same way racism matters. If you ignore it you condone it. It may not always be easy to see but it is there still.

That just makes me so desperately sad for your mum, and for all the women like this, that had no power over their own lives, because they were still considered essentially the property of their husbands, who in turn were the only ones that were allowed to make the decisions. With the name thing, this is exactly what it originally boils down to. The moment you married Mr John Smith, you immediately lost your name, a massive part of your identity, you lost agency over a great chunk of your life, because in that moment you became Mrs John Smith, who was now in charge of your life, and now you were properly. So sad.

loveydoveyloon · 14/10/2024 14:28

Its an old thing, back in the day the wife was to take the husbands surname, some people think that's just the way it is

At least they haven't got your first name wrong. About 40 years on this planet and relative changed my name to Lisa lol, would have been closer with Vivian

MsHayley · 14/10/2024 14:20

I'll call anyone whatever they want.
I have my own name, and when I got married we both agreed to take/keep my name. Sometimes people assume, because I'm married, I'm "Mrs". It doesn't bother me.

ElaborateCushion · 14/10/2024 14:09

Ponoka7 · 12/10/2024 15:24

Not letting go of tradition. My Nan just couldn't bring herself to do/or not do certain things that she had been brought up with.

I didn't change my name on marriage. My parents have difficulty accepting this, even though it's meant I've kept their (much more unique) name.

I wondered how my birthday cards would be addressed, but I think even they feel so weird about it that they just deliver it in person in my first name only! 😂

It would annoy me too though, especially after 20 years of it!

(When we got married we did get some cheques in Mr & Mrs Hisname. We had a joint account though so I took the cheques to the bank and also took the marriage certificate, just in case they needed it, and they didn't care - I felt like they should have cared a little bit that we were paying in cheques with one of the names wrong, but they didn't!)

Packetofcrispsplease · 14/10/2024 13:57

My elderly mum does this too , assumes that my daughter has taken her husband’s name when in fact she kept her own name .
It doesn’t really bother my daughter too much as she realises the older generation assume that she would automatically take husband’s name .
( for what it’s worth her husband’s surname is lovely and shows his ethnicity)

Parker231 · 14/10/2024 13:55

MereDintofPandiculation · 14/10/2024 13:40

But you're not married to Mr Parker. I will forgive Mrs husband's-name but not Mrs Fathers-name - it may be my name too but I've never been married to my father.

I kept Parker when I got married as it was the surname I’d had all my life.

MereDintofPandiculation · 14/10/2024 13:50

Anecdotally I've noted a dip since then, albeit in my profession the majority of women retain their own family names. I used to work in an academic setting, and most women kept their own name for scientific papers that they'd authored, for obvious reasons. So most of the women went by two names, firstname/nickname husband's-name for informal contact, firstname own-family-name for professional purposes.

This was at a time when the staff telephone list would have D A Brown for a man, and Mrs or Miss D A Brown for a woman.

MereDintofPandiculation · 14/10/2024 13:40

Parker231 · 14/10/2024 11:54

My mother is also Mrs Parker. I’m Mrs as I’m married (although perfectly happy with Ms) and Parker as it’s my surname.

But you're not married to Mr Parker. I will forgive Mrs husband's-name but not Mrs Fathers-name - it may be my name too but I've never been married to my father.

SouthLondonMum22 · 14/10/2024 13:33

mugglewump · 14/10/2024 12:46

I get this from family all the time. Cheques I would send back to be corrected/rewritten, anything else I just leave be. Likewise if I get a caller who asks if I am Mrs X, I say yes because technically I am. I just don't use the name. It's no big deal.

You aren’t technically Mrs X.

If I get a phone call for Mrs X, I say there’s no Mrs X here.

OneDandyPoet · 14/10/2024 13:09

SerafinasGoose · 14/10/2024 12:36

It doesn't, as it happens. All three labels are merely truncations of one word: mistress.

The pointless differentiation therefore should be meaningless. Frankly I don't see why 'titles' are not completely obsolete in this day and age. They serve no useful purpose: a name is more than sufficient to identify a person.

Were titles dropped elsewhere I would happily drop my 'Dr' title and use this in a professional context only. That would be my preferred option now. But as long as the sexist practice of a woman being expected to announce her sexual status continues, I will continue to use my title in every context. At least that is something I've rightfully earned and cannot be seconded to my relationship with any man.

I also notice that if I sign off an email Dr Initial Myname only, without a hint as to whether I'm male or female, the former is likely assumed and I have much more chance of reviewing a favourable reply.

The flagrant inequality is sickening, and it's not improving with time. Names and titles are only a symptom of a much bigger issue: casual misogyny is everywhere. And as this thread sadly evidences, not all misogynists are necessarily male.

My mother, a misogynist, firmly believes that men are better than women. Can’t convince her otherwise. I guess that’s one the patriarchy has managed to survive, this far.

Howmanyusernames123 · 14/10/2024 12:59

mugglewump · 14/10/2024 12:46

I get this from family all the time. Cheques I would send back to be corrected/rewritten, anything else I just leave be. Likewise if I get a caller who asks if I am Mrs X, I say yes because technically I am. I just don't use the name. It's no big deal.

I am not Mrs dhname, technically or otherwise. I have never used it, I have no ID in that name.

i am as much mrs Dhname as dh is Mr my name.

technically you can use any name you want, but I don’t answer to any name other than my own.

NinetyPercent · 14/10/2024 12:57

ThatIsNotMyNameSoWhyAreYouCallingMeThat · 12/10/2024 15:43

They do know. It’s not about medals. It’s not my name. It’s never been my name. They’ve sent cards to someone that doesn’t exist.

Yes totally with you! Like you, it’s my or my husband’s aunts who do this, the aunts that heard me say at my wedding 20 years ago I was not changing my name. Every Christmas I get too many envelopes addressed to someone who doesn’t exist! I think it may have got better as they’ve got the message over the years… I used to post examples on Facebook (no, I’m not fb friends with my aunts…)

Twoshoesnewshoes · 14/10/2024 12:52

OP I’m with you 💯
it’s just rude and does feel like passive aggression/micro aggression, a subtle comment on your silly feminazi views which aren’t even legal….
its very frustrating. DH’s family still do it. I don’t open anything addressed to Mrs Hisname, i tell him there’s some post for his other wife again 😂
I definitely don’t use Mrs, and we are married. Language is really important here, as is respecting people’s decisions.

mugglewump · 14/10/2024 12:46

I get this from family all the time. Cheques I would send back to be corrected/rewritten, anything else I just leave be. Likewise if I get a caller who asks if I am Mrs X, I say yes because technically I am. I just don't use the name. It's no big deal.

SerafinasGoose · 14/10/2024 12:45

ThatIsNotMyNameSoWhyAreYouCallingMeThat · 14/10/2024 12:38

Anyway, the cards went in the recycling unopened. I shan’t be thanking them and the flowers I send for their birthdays will be addressed to their husband’s first names. If they’re treating me the way they want to be treated, this is the way, right?

(ironically, as a collective they refer to themselves as The Birth Name Girls……)

Girls. At their age, that probably gives an insight into just to the sort of maturity level you're dealing with. Passive aggression admittedly riles me because of the cowardly element of plausible deniability it involves. I will back off instantly from anyone who tries that number on me; it simply isn't something I'm willing to engage with.

In response to a former reply to you, 50-something is Generation X. Those are the daughters of the second wave, and these women are far more likely to have kept their own names than some of those coming later. That generation were taught to value independence, and since the sex discrimination act of 1975 had enjoyed far more rights and weren't about to give up the exercising of those new rights lightly.

Anecdotally I've noted a dip since then, albeit in my profession the majority of women retain their own family names.

RosesAndHellebores · 14/10/2024 12:42

ThatIsNotMyNameSoWhyAreYouCallingMeThat · 14/10/2024 12:34

Whereas we saw marriage as a legal process, not a romantic one, and certainly nothing religious. I’m not someone that wants any assumptions made about me by strangers. My marital status is nobody elses’s business.

That's your perogative but our marriage took place before God and because we loved each other and were happy to make the traditional promises 33 years later we still love each other and the promises stand. I still had a pre-nup though.

I also chose to use the title Mrs because that was my perogative.

ruethewhirl · 14/10/2024 12:41

ThatIsNotMyNameSoWhyAreYouCallingMeThat · 14/10/2024 12:38

Anyway, the cards went in the recycling unopened. I shan’t be thanking them and the flowers I send for their birthdays will be addressed to their husband’s first names. If they’re treating me the way they want to be treated, this is the way, right?

(ironically, as a collective they refer to themselves as The Birth Name Girls……)

You're kidding, right??!

OrdsallChord · 14/10/2024 12:39

Cancel the elderly cheque.

Parker231 · 14/10/2024 12:39

RosesAndHellebores · 14/10/2024 12:23

If I'd been called Parker, I might have kept it but as my single name was awful, I changed it. It worked as I changed jobs at the same time.

I found the blessing of the rings incredibly spiritual and can't quite explain it.

My surname isn’t English but then neither is DH’s. I kept mine because it is mine. DT’s have double barrelled surnames (very long and difficult for the English to pronounce).
Im not religious and didn’t get married in a church so the blessing for any rings wouldn’t have been appropriate. I (and DH) also don’t like wearing a ring.

ThatIsNotMyNameSoWhyAreYouCallingMeThat · 14/10/2024 12:38

sparklyfox · 14/10/2024 12:37

Obviously they just come from a generation where the woman almost always took the husband's name, and it's not imprinted in their long term memory that you didn't.

They’re still in their 50s.

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