Cheshire Police are an incompetent bunch of useless bastards

Who pays for any trials?

A trial based on more widely acknowledged medical evidence and expertise would be reassuring, regardless of outcome.

The police are human. The system is designed by people, manned by people, and managed by people.

I was genuinely surprised that she was convicted on the evidence they had. I do believe that she’s guilty but I don’t think that there’s proof of it.

She’s where she belongs, thankfully.

Cheshire police are my local force. They’re not all that bad. ☺️

Which very much reflect self doubt and tie in with what the person who counselled her has revealed about the approach to the situation and how she was trying to process it.

Who would pay for a re-trial?

Her third....and if that found her guilty as well?

Unfortunately I don't think Lucy Letby would get a retrial. If enough doubt is cast to make the verdicts unsafe I don't see how they could find 12 people without preconceived ideas. The case is too famous

I honestly don't know if LL is guilty or innocent.
But if there are medical experts who think there is enough doubt she may well get a retrial whether people like it or not.
She could be found guilty again, who knows 🤷🏻‍♀️

Having been a juror on a murder (re)trial, I have to say if highly qualified medical experts disagree over the tiniest of autopsy findings and pathology slides, how the fuck do they expect lay people to understand enough to agree or disagree? The experts in the trial I've mentioned held the same job title and letters after their name but had such opposing views.
There were no Drs of any description on the jury. The retrial was based on this 'new' medical evidence 🙄

I don't think the notes are particularly damning.

All the handover sheets she kept and other scraps of paper are much more incriminating in my opinion.

No not at all @TheCountessofFitzdotterel

The idea that these notes constitute a confession rather than what they obviously are, the brain dump of someone who has been accused of serious crimes and is struggling to process it emotionally, is one of the most patently absurd claims in all the farrago of nonsense that constitutes the so called evidence in this case. Anyone who still believes the prosecution’s story on Lucy Letby’s notes has either not looked at them properly or has temporarily completely switched off their critical faculties.

She's not innocent tho is she? She's banged up for a reason

Justice is important and she has had it. So, thankfully have her murder victims.

Yep.

Depends what you decide to pay attention to though doesn't it?

There were lots of things on notes. Some could be seen as damning but others said 'I haven't done anything wrong' 'slander' 'panic' 'fear' 'lost' 'I can't focus everyday for overwhelming fear/panic kill myself now' . And lots made no sense whatsoever to observers.

And how that was presented by the prosecution as some sort of confession. a confession she has never made to Police, the courts, her family or friends.

Which latterly, I think has been explained by her as her mental state at the time when she was being accused of horrendous crimes and potentially a stream of conciousness.

By what the prosecution alleged was a cold, calculated serial killer who was so brilliant at killing babies in such a clever way that it wasn't suspected for years and post mortems said the babies died of natural causes but she was also slightly thick and writing confessional notes on post-its or in diaries that she kept at home for the Police to find when she was already under suspicion.

That could be true or it could be not. But you can't cherry pick bits you think are important and ignore the others..

Thanks for the replies re if other hospitals experienced such a rise in deaths, really interesting

Just wanted to chip in to say I've written notes before whilst in counselling that would, if read by anyone, would have implied I was guilty of something that I wasn't. Had an ex that accused me of cheating and we split up. I hadn't cheated, but he and his family made me feel like I was an awful person and convinced me that I had indeed done something wrong. I haven't read them since, but my diary entries from the time will likely say lots of things like "I'm an awful person, I don't deserve a boyfriend" etc etc. So the notes from LL were neither here nor there for me; because I used to write lots when I was going through tough times.

Do you know many murderers then?

And then there's her notes.....written by her, found in her room.....