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SoreHeadInBed · 11/10/2024 23:51

So DS (yr 9) has been given the opportunity to go on an amazing school trip along the lines of volunteering at a school for disadvantaged kids in Kenya. I think it is an incredible opportunity to see a country so different from the UK, and to learn about and help others, and make new friends across then globe. I'm sure DS will get a lot from the experience which will massively open his eyes.

But I have a few conflicting feelings:

  1. This trip is v expensive (£1800). DH and I can't really afford it but it seems such a great opportunity we will make it happen and find the money. However, we r obviously lucky to be in a position to b able to do that. I feel really bad for the kids whose parents can not afford this trip. I just don't know if I agree with state secondary schools offering these v expensive trips. It seems v much like the rich will benefit and the poorer kids will be left out. I feel so uncomfortable with it. I wish I could afford to fund another kid so that those that can't afford it dont miss out, but sending DS will already be a big financial stretch and I can't afford to fund another child as well. Are such expensive trips the norm at all state schools? What do u think about it?
  1. I feel really weird about a bunch of 13/14yr old privileged uk kids going to 'volunteer' at this school in Kenya. I mean, how much actually useful stuff can a bunch of 13yr olds do to help on a one week holiday? How must the kids in this school feel having a new.bunch of western kids come and look at them and 'volunteer' every week. I mean, if the kids actually will genuinely be doing good and helping this school, then good. I just question how much good they can actually do and the ethics of it all.

Anyway, those r my conflicts.

AIBU to be feeling both happy and grateful for the opportunity for DS, but also deeply uncomfortable with the whole thing?

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BeerForMyHorses · 13/10/2024 21:17

TiramisuThief · 12/10/2024 00:23

Voluntourism.

Often accompanied by a gofundme to donate towards the trip because it's "for charity" - the recipient being the person going on the trip for their expenses.

I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole and I would be really miffed at any school that thought this was an appropriate ask.

A year 9 kid has literally nothing to offer that would be useful to a poor community in Kenya. It reeks of white saviour-ism and is in really bad taste.

Sums it up perfectly.

DearDarlingDorry · 13/10/2024 19:41

In terms of political correctness..... it's incredibly politically incorrect.

DearDarlingDorry · 13/10/2024 19:31

McSpoot · 12/10/2024 00:19

I agree with the concerns about voluntourism. First, they really don't do much and second, they take away work from locals. And these people aren't animals in a zoo to be gawked at nor are their lives there to "teach" others about compassion and being thankful for what they have.

I work in international health and the idea of the "Saviour from the North" is a major issue.

voluntourism is the perfect term

DearDarlingDorry · 13/10/2024 19:16

Completely get it @SoreHeadInBed I feel the same way. Ds' s school does a similar trip, we received the information and it will be nearly £5k for 17 days, they will be combing charity work (4 days) with some expensive but incredible touristic activities remainder of the time). They have to also help fundraise as part of this but the money won't go towards the cost of the trip, instead it will be donated. Presumably students who are from well to do and well connected families will be able to fund raise lots quite easily. Then there is the white saviour problem, privileged children going on a holiday and also helping a poor community. It sits uneasily with me. I felt very moved and proud when ds said that he had felt uneasy when watching the videos at school as the young poor black children were gazing happily at these European teens. (editing to add this )He said it looked like they had to be grateful and the teens felt probably important and powerful.

We haven't decided yet whether he can go but 5K is better saved for university and making the most of their time there. I think we won't support this trip.

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 13/10/2024 19:13

I share all your concerns OP and would not support. It would be more helpful to donate the money to a suitable charity.

MrsTerryPratchett · 13/10/2024 18:57

An interesting thought experiment is always to reverse it.

African people coming on holiday to do free work building in the West? The response would be half WTF and half, 'coming over here, stealing our jobs".

African teenagers coming to volunteer in UK children's homes? 100% WTF.

User37482 · 13/10/2024 05:19

User364837 · 12/10/2024 16:31

@Willowkins but that’s the thing isn’t it - you gained more than you gave.
I think there is more in it for the volunteers than the recipients normally and in that example would it not have been possible/more cost effective to give all the money to the organisation out there and they contract a local builder to do the work. Then they’d probably still have loads left over.
it’s not cost effective to pay to fly over a bunch of people from the Uk.
ok then maybe some continue fundraising when back home and over their life time send a lot of funds but I suspect most don’t.

Yeah I watched something ages ago about how all these volunteer organisations are de-skilling local populations as well.

User37482 · 13/10/2024 05:17

Yeah it feels like poverty porn, your son may benefit from seeing how other people around the world live but it does feel exploitative, I’m not sure how the Kenyans benefit apart from the tour operator making a profit from letting western kids gawp at Kenyan kids.

Most of the overeas school trips were out of our financial reach but I did go on one and I really cherish that memory. Theres no way my family would have had that type of holiday so I don’t really agree with withdrawing them.

Neodymium · 13/10/2024 02:46

My school does fundraising for a sister school in a developing country, we have never visited them but we have numerous fundraisers throughout the year and they sometimes send updates. No need to go there.

Willowkins · 12/10/2024 19:01

It's a very good point @User364837 If I'm honest, I wasn't expecting to receive but the experience opened my eyes. We did raise money for the project and took school equipment with us but I get what you're saying about the money. Could the airfare have been used more effectively? I think that really depends on whether someone is there for more than a school trip.

User364837 · 12/10/2024 16:31

@Willowkins but that’s the thing isn’t it - you gained more than you gave.
I think there is more in it for the volunteers than the recipients normally and in that example would it not have been possible/more cost effective to give all the money to the organisation out there and they contract a local builder to do the work. Then they’d probably still have loads left over.
it’s not cost effective to pay to fly over a bunch of people from the Uk.
ok then maybe some continue fundraising when back home and over their life time send a lot of funds but I suspect most don’t.

Willowkins · 12/10/2024 16:25

I did this - except I was 30 and it was for 4 months. We helped to build the foundations to a church and community centre which is now 3 storeys high and still standing 30+ years later. In all this we gained more than we gave - in terms of self-confidence, kindness from the locals and a better understanding of the world. My point is that this is not a bad thing in of itself but it's important to work in partnership with local people and that means choosing to go with an organisation that already has that connection and ethos. Would I have let my DC do that when they were 14 years old? Absolutely not.

LeavesOnTrees · 12/10/2024 15:18

Zanatdy · 12/10/2024 14:41

My kids school once did a 3wk trip to Borneo which was over 3k, and involved helping to build a school. This is a state school. Not sure how many went, not mine!

Borneo, that's madness. I've been and it's not particularly poor. They certainly don't need uk school children building schools for them

User364837 · 12/10/2024 14:50

And yes I was just about to say - just make sure if you do it you don’t ‘fundraise’ the money from friends and family as that super annoying!

User364837 · 12/10/2024 14:49

Hmmm I’m not sure.
I’d share your concerns about it being a bit white saviour complex, and for the benefit more of the kids from the UK going to visit rather than the kids in the school in Kenya they are visiting. I would’ve thought the school there would be able to do more if they were just given £1800 rather than it paying for flight etc.

ZeldaFighter · 12/10/2024 14:45

Family friends of ours recently sent their DD on a similar trip, although for a lot longer period of time.

I similarly felt quite uneasy - the trip cost several thousand pounds and this was presented as available to everyone because the children going were supposed to raise the money by fundraising.

In fairness, my friend's DD worked incredibly hard and did lots of different things to fundraise such as selling novelties, events nights and doing odd jobs.

However, there was a lot of pressure on family and friends to support the fundraising efforts but in blunt terms, my family's money paid to send their child on holiday.

All the children were from the same school so all the money came from essentially the same communities. 10 children go for £3K each - that's £30,000 sucked out of the community to go to the private company organising the trip. Not to charity or local good causes - £30K to send some kids on a long, posh holiday.

There's also the impact on education - neither of my children could have fundraised that much and kept up with their studies.

Our children have been offered the opportunity but don't want to do it - thank God!

TLDR: I think it's a scam by companies for over-privileged kids.

Zanatdy · 12/10/2024 14:41

My kids school once did a 3wk trip to Borneo which was over 3k, and involved helping to build a school. This is a state school. Not sure how many went, not mine!

Phonicshaskilledmeoff · 12/10/2024 14:39

I agree with everything you have said.

I imagine there is no poverty stricken area closer than Kenya that they could possibly have helped with. Instead they have to gawp at poor Kenyan children. Imagine the good that money could do if it was spent right rather than sending a bunch of 13 year old saviours to bloody Kenya 🤦‍♀️

SprigatitoYouAndIKnow · 12/10/2024 14:32

Imagine how far that money would go it is was actually used for education in Kenya. The books it could buy, the teachers it could pay, the road surface improvements so kids can get to school, the sanitation facilities. All so a bunch of school kids from UK can go on a jolly and feel good about themselves.

I would suggest that if he wants to actually help, he fundraises for a specific charity. Then you can use any money you have to go on holiday as a family.

Nell1974 · 12/10/2024 12:32

I wouldn’t send my child on this kind of white saviour voluntourism trip. It’s demeaning to the people of Africa and the money would be better spent on a direct donation.

BobbyBiscuits · 12/10/2024 11:31

It will be a profit making set up and of course your kids and the poor kids in the disadvantaged country are the products. It will be a conveyor belt type affair, and as you point out, that could have a bad effect on the children who are confused and maybe told to act in certain ways to maximise the experience/profit.
Plus you say you can't afford it.
I'd honestly say no to this.

angellinaballerina7 · 12/10/2024 11:26

I wouldn’t allow my child on this trip for your second reason. The cost objection doesn’t hold as much weight for me - either you can afford it or you can’t, both of which are entirely normal in life. Flights and insurance make this trip more than your typical school trip, and I can’t see much bulk discount for more people attending.

Notamum12345577 · 12/10/2024 11:23

TeenLifeMum · 12/10/2024 00:09

Dd has a similar opportunity but it’s £5k. I have issues:

  1. The cost
  2. What can a 14yo really bring to benefit the country? Let’s not pretend dd would be “building a school”!
  3. the UK government says Kenya is currently not safe and British nationals are at increased risk of kidnapping.

an 18+ person choosing to go is one thing but me putting my 14yo at such a risk is an absolute no. I’m really uncomfortable that the school is doing this.

It’s only a small part the government advise against travel to. A strip which borders somlia

Feel really conflicted ...
Skyrainlight · 12/10/2024 11:20

For me it would depend on how the money is actually going to the people in Kenya who need it. I would ask for the breakdown, cost of trip and amount going to the project. If it's very little going to the project I don't agree with it, if it's a lot then I would be ok with it because the Kenyan people will be benefiting.

I also think exposure to another life and people can change the views of young people and they can end up making a big difference in the future because of it. I grew up in South Africa and people there are open to receiving help. So it really does depend on whether it's financial help that's being provided (because clearly child labour skills are not going to be useful) or if it is just tourism, and if it's the latter it's a big no.

StMarieforme · 12/10/2024 11:19

Sounds a bit 'white saviour' doesn't it? I'd find out more details of what they would actually be doing?

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