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My sister’s husband has made her ill

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Setroinh · 11/10/2024 20:09

My lovely sister has been extremely destroyed by her pathetic husband. He’s completely vanished. Six weeks ago he sent her an email telling her he “couldn’t do it anymore”. BIL was working in Stockholm, we obviously speculate he has met someone. Completely left sister in the lurch - school fees, bills etc. Sister helped with the business admin but BIL did the actual work (she is not trained to do). She has cried, stopped eating, had panics attacks, contemplated suicide. It’s been horrendous.

My immediate family are supportig sister - our non-mum sister moved in to help with the three young kids, my mum’s cooked meals, my dad has done the food shop etc. My brother and SIL have taken the dogs and hamster.

She is on sertraline. She’s still a shell. She can do basically one activity a day ie the school run but then spends hours and hours in bed sleeping. She looks 20 years older.

I’ve suggested the cinema, spa day, dog walks. You name it. I just am at a loss. How can I help her? Brother is helping sister with business side of things. Is it an only time will heal thing? She’s so bad I can’t see her getting over this.

Any advice would be great. I’ve lost weight from seeing her like this. As I type my stomach is in knots. I’m just scared for her (don’t tell her this obviously). As she won’t be able to live off savings forever.

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Tittat50 · 16/10/2024 17:43

treadingonlego · 16/10/2024 13:30

Sertraline is good for helping take the edge off in the short/medium term. I'd expect her to need at least 100mg/day. Ignore suggestions to stop it

Sertraline can increase agitation and suicidality. It does not work for everyone. It should absolutely be stopped in some cases.

This was my experience early on. The reason I keep bringing it up is the side effects of this may be contributing to the way she is right now.

I'm glad at the time I stuck it out ( 6 weeks ) as they helped so much. I actually wish I never came off it a few years later.

colouringindoors · 16/10/2024 13:34

Absolutely @treadingonlego. But if it's being tolerated fairly well with no increase in suicidality, stopping it abruptly could worsen her mental health.

treadingonlego · 16/10/2024 13:30

Sertraline is good for helping take the edge off in the short/medium term. I'd expect her to need at least 100mg/day. Ignore suggestions to stop it

Sertraline can increase agitation and suicidality. It does not work for everyone. It should absolutely be stopped in some cases.

colouringindoors · 15/10/2024 18:04

Sertraline is good for helping take the edge off in the short/medium term. I'd expect her to need at least 100mg/day. Ignore suggestions to stop it.

Ignore suggestions to remove 'safety net' If you're still doing all this in 6 months time maybe reconsider but now, no way. She's experienced a horrendous traumatic betrayal and bereavement. Her response is normal (sadly)

colouringindoors · 15/10/2024 17:59

hettie · 11/10/2024 21:39

Gently, your sister is reacting entirely normally to a very abnormal event. Unless this has tipped her into a mental health crisis she doesn't need a psychiatrist, you can't medicate your bway out or profound loss, trauma and grief. I'm slightly dismayed she's been given sertraline tbh. The physical manifestation of trauma and loss are what your seeing. Not sleeping, no appetite, very tearful, struggling to carry out normal daily activities it's all 'normal'. She needs your support and help with daily tasks, she needs you to reassure her that her feelings and actions are understandable and she needs time..... It's brutal. Of course it goes without saying that her ex is a total and utter grade a shit. Marriages end, people have affairs, but to walk out on your wife and kids without any communication or thought is despicable. I hope the lawyer is a grade A bulldog who ensured your diss gets a decent settlement and I hope the ex is dumped by the new squeeze

Good post.

You and your family are being amazing, and no, not too much.

Sleep is really good for her, just make sure she's sleeping at night if napping in day.

Small nutritious bits of food - banana milkshake, chicken soup, plain chocolate

If you can take her outside in some green space even for just 10 mins a day - more if sun's out, it's good for helping to calm the nervous system.

Watch crap TV series with her. I mainlined the Gilmore Girls after a bad breakup.

Buy her favourite flowers for her room/where she spends most awake time. Even just looking at flowers helps calm the body.

Lots of hugs if she is able to accept them.

All your support is modelling the best of families for her children. They will be ok in the end with such a wonderful extended family, but yes, awful at the moment.

💐💐💐

Tittat50 · 15/10/2024 17:35

@Rosscameasdoody I can't edit my original post to make this more clear now it has been copied.

EDIT HERE - Antidepressants don't cause autoimmune diseases! I'm very aware of that. This additional paragraph was an aside on top of the original point. It was not intended as a connection to the autoimmune reference.

I agree entirely that OPs sister should continue with the medication until side effects pass and they start to kick in - hopefully by 6 weeks OP.

Rosscameasdoody · 15/10/2024 17:32

Carabelliana · 13/10/2024 08:36

kkloo
Please don't use this platform to vent the obvious frustration you have with your life, childishly demanding that I 'educate' myself. Your increasingly hysterical posts on this topic & attacks on me reveal a highly unattractive personality.

I'm entitled to give my opinion; I'm very sorry for this poor woman having been abandoned & the trauma she's suffering but the husband was not happy with something at home & I was thinking through why this could be. I totally agree he behaved appallingly.

We've not had one description from the OP of a previously happy family life which is strange. Removing the pets from the family home is strange. The complete lack of resilience is unusual for a mother when maternal instinct usually takes over, there's children to be guided through this awful time & taking away the pets & lying in bed for hours is not helping - it's the children I really feel sorry for here.

The family have all been marvellous with their support but it's too much & the safety net needs to be gentle removed. That's not being harsh it's being realistic, even the sister has questioned if the family are doing too much & yes they are. Treat someone like a victim & they become one. If the wider family had not been around & the woman had reacted like this for six weeks then this would become a safeguarding matter for the children being at risk in that environment.

The multiple thanks I've received for my posts evidence many readers agree with me.

I’d bet the farm that no-one has thanked you because you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about and your ‘treat someone like a victim and they become one’ talk is just shite. All of your posts are victim blaming, smug and self satisfied. Please stop posting before you do real damage.

Rosscameasdoody · 15/10/2024 17:29

Tittat50 · 15/10/2024 16:14

@Carabelliana part of me understands why this post can be frustrating for some. Many people have zero family support or any warm loving family to offer a safety net. It's therefore easy to look at this critically from that position and to feel resentment.

In reality, there will be alot more going on. I recall I absolutely fell apart and could hardly function when I became a single parent. I recall moments where people thought I should just get a grip etc. The reality was that alot was going on that would only be revealed to both me and others with the passing of time. One of those things was the onset of truly hideous, life changing and disabling physical symptoms that looked like mental weakness but soon turned out to be the start of very severe multiple autoimmune conditions. At the time, I knew there was a reason I could not function, eat properly and kept crying beyond the situation. Also, at this time I did not realise I was parenting an ND child and operating daily at a level of stress that most would never understand or experience.

Many underestimate the severity of Antidepressants side effects. Some are emotionally and physically floored by side effects until the meds start working. No one really knows what's happening with this lady underneath all this.

Not sure what you’re saying here. Anti-depressants don’t cause autoimmune conditions. And drugs like sertraline can help with a lot of conditions - including stress and trauma related as in OP’s case. She’s only been on them a few weeks so too early to tell and coming off them now will cause more problems. If her GP has prescribed for her then clearly they have an understanding of what’s going on.

Tittat50 · 15/10/2024 16:14

@Carabelliana part of me understands why this post can be frustrating for some. Many people have zero family support or any warm loving family to offer a safety net. It's therefore easy to look at this critically from that position and to feel resentment.

In reality, there will be alot more going on. I recall I absolutely fell apart and could hardly function when I became a single parent. I recall moments where people thought I should just get a grip etc. The reality was that alot was going on that would only be revealed to both me and others with the passing of time. One of those things was the onset of truly hideous, life changing and disabling physical symptoms that looked like mental weakness but soon turned out to be the start of very severe multiple autoimmune conditions. At the time, I knew there was a reason I could not function, eat properly and kept crying beyond the situation. Also, at this time I did not realise I was parenting an ND child and operating daily at a level of stress that most would never understand or experience.

Many underestimate the severity of Antidepressants side effects. Some are emotionally and physically floored by side effects until the meds start working. No one really knows what's happening with this lady underneath all this.

TheFormidableMrsC · 14/10/2024 23:10

Jesus Christ @Carabelliana. Stop posting. You haven't got a clue what you're talking about.

whathaveiforgotten · 14/10/2024 22:42

@Carabelliana

I wouldn't care where I was living had the same/similar happened to me when my kids were younger

You simply don't know this.

Anyone can have a breakdown.

Grief, shock, trauma. All can cause one and nobody is immune.

You have no idea how one would affect you.

It's like people who say how they would react if assaulted. Until it happens, you absolutely don't know for sure.

HoppyFish · 14/10/2024 22:29

I can offer my own experience of two 'breakdowns' I experienced, the first in 2007, and the second a couple of years ago. In my first one I was diagnosed with psychotic depression. I developed some irrational beliefs, became obsessed with a 'smell' on my hands and spent a lot the time in complete terror. They put me on Setraline and an antipsychotic, Risperidol I think. I'm sure the Risperidol was making me feel even worse. After a while, they tried another antipsychotic, Olanzapine. This made me sleep like a baby for the first time in weeks. My hair, which had become a limp, greasy mess, miraculously spruced up. I slept for a long time, can't remember now but something silly like 15 hours maybe. The next day I felt calm for the first time since it began. I felt a little shellshocked and it still took a while to get back to normal. Until the Olanzapine, no amount of encouragement or logical thinking could have helped. I understand Olanzapine isn't a drug you want to be on long term if possible.

I was then fine until the more recent episode, brought on by stress, which seemed to be more of a major depressive episode without the psychosis. Because of my previous episode, however, and because I was seemingly blowing something out of proportion, I was prescribed Olanzapine again, along with another anti-depressant. This time ithe Olanzapine didn't seem to have any effect. The episode lasted longer. Again, logical thinking or encouragement didn't help. I just sort of eventually decided I had to go back to my normal life, I don't know really, can't explain it, although I suppose the antidepressant may have eventually helped. If there is anything your sister can face doing, then try to regularly do that with her. With me, it was simply going for walks, and a couple of abstract things - just sudokus and playing chess. But with me anything 'social' was out of the question. Hope this helps.

ForeverDelayedEpiphany · 14/10/2024 22:12

neverstartingstory · 12/10/2024 08:47

You are right to support your sister. I think people can’t comprehend how shattering this is. Not only has she very suddenly lost her husband, And the kids’ their father, in a traumatic way. But she has lost her ability to support herself and the kids. It sounds like they had a very affluent life and she is now looking at living in poverty. Realistically, she is likely to lose her friendship circle and community too, as well as her home. This is a devastating amount of multiple loss to suddenly face.

You need to make sure she gets the best financial settlement from a divorce possible. Some women when they get depressed don’t fight for themselves and get shafted. He has doubtless already planned how to shaft her financially. She’ll need you to support her in navigating the divorce negotiations.

Edited

Absolutely this. What an excellent response.

ForeverDelayedEpiphany · 14/10/2024 22:02

Rosscameasdoody · 14/10/2024 07:27

What a smug, self satisfied, misogynistic and victim blaming little post. Her family are pitching in to help and her sister has posted here because she’s scared for her, and this is the best you can do ? You needn’t have made the effort to type all of this because one sentence sums up your message - ‘pull yourself together’. Which, for anyone suffering a breakdown - which this clearly is - is impossible. And your last paragraph is ridiculous. Because until you experience a life changing event similarly affecting your mental health, you have absolutely no idea how you would handle it.

Exactly this, absolutely well.put. I totally agree with your reply to the smug PP. A breakdown is the most absolutely horrific thing to go through, and getting the strength to even do anything to move out of bed sometimes is beyond impossible.

Anyone who has suffered the horrors of a mental health crisis will know and indeed understand this. At my lowest point in my life after a head injury, the breakdown I had was so bad that literally would have given away £10m to be well again. At no point did I ever say to my eldest daughter that i didn't care about her or wasn't trying hard enough. To imply that anyone who goes through these dreadful things doesn't want to try and improve things is absolutely the most ignorant attitude possible. Shame you are so very lacking in empathy that you can't see that.

slippersandfleece · 14/10/2024 21:44

This happened to my mum and i wish she'd had family nearby to support more. It was so hard as a child. You are so needed and the kids will be so grateful.

Disturbtheuniverse · 14/10/2024 21:05

I would try to get her therapy as soon as you can so she moves from grief to acceptance. Hopefully once she accepts what has happened she will function again.

I have a family member who wasted years grieving over a man who had left her for someone else. It was awful, particularly as the man was having a great life whilst she was a completely broken woman. I wish she had got the right help when she needed it.

Biffbaff · 14/10/2024 20:56

EMDR is extremely effective for PTSD - it's something to consider for the future. Right now it sounds like she is far too much in it to benefit from this kind of treatment. When she can see the wood for the trees and has come out the other side, then it would be a beneficial route to follow.

Rosscameasdoody · 14/10/2024 19:57

Nsky62 · 14/10/2024 17:53

He had some reasons, maybe he does blame her, behaviours happen for a reason , not that she was aware.
The right thing was to have discussed issues, and tried a resolution, blame is no good here and we all cope differently.
They will all need help, mother and children

When do men stick around to discuss things ? And blame is absolutely good. He fucked off and left her to cope with the shit he left behind, and he’s abandoned his children. Who else do you blame ?

Nsky62 · 14/10/2024 17:53

He had some reasons, maybe he does blame her, behaviours happen for a reason , not that she was aware.
The right thing was to have discussed issues, and tried a resolution, blame is no good here and we all cope differently.
They will all need help, mother and children

SwingTheMonkey · 14/10/2024 10:17

Rosscameasdoody · 14/10/2024 07:46

I found your most recent post and thought that was bad enough, but this really is a piece of work. Your whole post is devoid of any understanding of the mental health impact on this woman, and once again your attitude is ‘get up and get on with it’. And your pontification regarding the reasons this may have happened are beyond misogyny. Utterly poisonous post.

Isn’t it really interesting that the 2 reasons this poster suggested for why the husband might have left, both relate to a supposed failure of the wife. No mention of any reason why he might leave that is entirely down to him… racking up huge gambling debts, failing business, meeting someone young and exciting and deciding he wants a bit of that, not the family life he currently has.

No, it must be down to some failure of the woman.

Urgh.

Rosscameasdoody · 14/10/2024 07:59

NameChangeUser183794639 · 12/10/2024 17:41

What is it that you're missing?

Yes the kids deserve a functioning parent, but it's not about what they 'deserve' in this case, it's about what they have, and they currently have a mother who is severely ill and cannot see to their welfare. That is not her fault. That is their father's fault.

Again besides misogyny this is about the minimising of Mental Health verses physical illness and injury.

So if this mother had a serious illness which required a lengthy hospital stay or just a complete physical inability to do much, you wouldn't be blaming her. And if she had no support in that situation and the children had to temporarily go into care you wouldn't be blaming her for that either. But a mental breakdown or crisis you believe can just be snapped out of.

Also as someone who was a Single Parent at various points in my life, I am sick of hearing about how 'strong' and 'independent' women who are often abandoned, blamed, and left to fend for themselves are. It's 'toxic independence' on the part of society, that's my name for it. It both expects women to be all and everything, to have no personal limitations, then on the other hand blames her when she can't cope with it all.

When I read those grim stories that occasionally appear of some woman (often a single mum) who leaves her kid(s) neglected alone in a flat, while they go partying or go on holiday abroad or something, I always wonder why??? I think part of the reason in some cases is because they were not coping with motherhood, but they were too ashamed to say it, or too proud to admit it because society is so extra judgemental of women who can't manage with their children or who don't want to be the main carer of their children. And so they put on a pretence and an illusion of coping. Society doesn't care however, when it locks those same mothers away who are obviously mentally ill, but castigates them at the same time for revealing when they aren't coping. Even if the father was nowhere to be seen.

It's a cruel misogynistic society. Women always suffer for the actions of men, leaving the men winning ultimately.

Excellent post.

Rosscameasdoody · 14/10/2024 07:46

Carabelliana · 12/10/2024 06:24

This is very sad and a terrible shock for your poor sister & distressing for the children, but I agree with the comments that she needs to get on with things now. Six weeks is a long time, even longer in the poor children's eyes.

He has behaved awfully, men often do when they have young children, it's unforgivable.

Why have the dogs & hamster been taken from the home? Pets provide normality to a home, it's very difficult to be depressed when you have a demanding animal around. This would surely be upsetting for the children too, losing their pets. You all need to be pragmatic & practical. Tell her she needs to get up & plan for the children's future, assuming now that he's not coming back.

Doesn't she work? Many mothers work & this provides a focus & reason to carry on.
You say she's crying about the house & schools but she should be worrying about the impact this is having on the children & finding some resilience for them.

You say she won't be able to live off savings forever, no, she'll have to get a job & change things to support the children like millions of abandoned mothers do. Downsize, get a lodger, whatever.

The husband will undoubtedly reappear at some point. I would be over there looking for him to find out the truth behind his behaviour & to confront him about the future so she knows where she is & what to do next.

She should be cooking, doing all the normal things etc which will help her. Wallowing in bed for hours every day is ridiculous when you have three young children, normality is essential, she's making it worse for the poor children.
Don't get me wrong, it's a horrible shock, but reading between the lines he may have left her because:

a)She doesn't work & contribute to the household & he's tired of being the main breadwinner
b) she has zero resilience & is too dependent on him & he's met a strong, independent woman (possibly a single mother) & has made unfavourable comparisons, possibly fallen for her

There's no mention in your post about the relationship being good to begin with or any happy family times.

I feel there's more to this story. You say she can do one activity a day. This is because you're letting her do one activity a day. This enormous safety net isn't helping, not are the medications.

So she can access an Apple account, have a consultation with a lawyer, but not cook for her children or walk the dogs? People are surviving wars & atrocities in the world far worse than this right at this moment & surviving. Was she quite a weak person before all this? Did she have a good friendship network, activities/playdates for the kids etc? You don't say how old they are except that they are young, but they need both a semblance of normality & distractions right now.

The human spirit is strong when it needs to be & she needs to toughen up for her children, they are the priority here, seeing their mother completely fall apart is the worst thing she can do.

I found your most recent post and thought that was bad enough, but this really is a piece of work. Your whole post is devoid of any understanding of the mental health impact on this woman, and once again your attitude is ‘get up and get on with it’. And your pontification regarding the reasons this may have happened are beyond misogyny. Utterly poisonous post.

Rosscameasdoody · 14/10/2024 07:27

Carabelliana · 14/10/2024 06:46

In 10, 15 years or so the children will sadly be suffering a legacy of issues (including abandonment & trust), from this trauma, likely posting on a site such as MN:

"Our dad cruelly & inexplicably disappeared from our lives overnight when we were young & our poor mum completely fell apart for ages, everything became traumatic at home, relatives were coming & going, they even took our pets away. I felt I couldn't talk or confide in mum, she was in bed most of the time, always upset & vacant, my siblings & I felt doubly abandoned. Everything was so uncertain. The one parent we had left wasn't there for us & mum's inability to cope scared us & made dad's absence worse".

The children should be everyone's main concern here, and if the mother doesn't have the strength & isn't showing any signs of finding some way of dealing with this soon bar worrying about the house, money or schools, they may be better off being cared for properly elsewhere.

I wouldn't care where I was living had the same/similar happened to me when my kids were younger, I'd downgrade/take on extra work, anything to make things as ok as possible for my children who I've always prioritised over my own feelings. That's my duty as a mother.

What a smug, self satisfied, misogynistic and victim blaming little post. Her family are pitching in to help and her sister has posted here because she’s scared for her, and this is the best you can do ? You needn’t have made the effort to type all of this because one sentence sums up your message - ‘pull yourself together’. Which, for anyone suffering a breakdown - which this clearly is - is impossible. And your last paragraph is ridiculous. Because until you experience a life changing event similarly affecting your mental health, you have absolutely no idea how you would handle it.

Carabelliana · 14/10/2024 06:46

In 10, 15 years or so the children will sadly be suffering a legacy of issues (including abandonment & trust), from this trauma, likely posting on a site such as MN:

"Our dad cruelly & inexplicably disappeared from our lives overnight when we were young & our poor mum completely fell apart for ages, everything became traumatic at home, relatives were coming & going, they even took our pets away. I felt I couldn't talk or confide in mum, she was in bed most of the time, always upset & vacant, my siblings & I felt doubly abandoned. Everything was so uncertain. The one parent we had left wasn't there for us & mum's inability to cope scared us & made dad's absence worse".

The children should be everyone's main concern here, and if the mother doesn't have the strength & isn't showing any signs of finding some way of dealing with this soon bar worrying about the house, money or schools, they may be better off being cared for properly elsewhere.

I wouldn't care where I was living had the same/similar happened to me when my kids were younger, I'd downgrade/take on extra work, anything to make things as ok as possible for my children who I've always prioritised over my own feelings. That's my duty as a mother.

BabyCloud · 13/10/2024 22:34

Many of us think she needs to start living more of her normal life because we’ve experienced similar and lived through it. You can’t move forward with your family doing everything.

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