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Why are teachers so rude?

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Van34 · 10/10/2024 07:14

I will preface this by saying I do not have kids and therefore my last interaction with teachers was when I was at school. I'm not going to let my teenage years cloud my judgement.

I have recently taken on a job that involves visiting schools (think cleaning supervisor, but not) I spend a couple of hours walking round with the team, talking about challenges, reviewing paperwork and doing a general checks. I don't have to interact with the teaching staff at all (thank god). But I find them so rude. They think nothing of just butting in mid conversation, no "sorry, I can see your talking, could I just ask X a question" they just start talking. They stare with a frown constantly and consistently. They don't thank you or the children for holding doors open for them. And they never smile back if you smile at them...

It takes me back to being at school all those years ago and now I wonder if it wasn't just me hating the place. I wonder if the teachers were all like that too.

This isn't an isolated incident. I travel to many schools and they are all the same...

OP posts:
ForeverDelayedEpiphany · 10/10/2024 08:06

Poor teachers. They work really hard and most I've encountered at my DCs' school are wonderful, very friendly and kind.

Here you are, moaning about them being rude, when all you're being in this thread is exactly that. Funny how your behaviour is reflected back at you....

Cosyblankets · 10/10/2024 08:05

Inspireme2 · 10/10/2024 08:04

Teachers choose to teach..
Find another job.
You get more hoildays than the rest of the work force!

This is exactly what I did.

I left.
Along with numerous others.
The working conditions are the reason we have a recruitment and retention crisis.

IceCreamIsTheDream · 10/10/2024 08:04

OP, sorry everyone has jumped in!

The replies on this thread are quite blunt and some quite rude. Maybe people who are this way don't see these traits in themself or others and feel defensive. I don't really know why everyone's piled in, but you've been perfectly polite.

Mumsnet is notorious for teacher defending. I think there are lots of teachers on here and lots of pta people and parents of school-age kids who are v grateful for their particular children's teachers. So Mumsnet can b a bit hostile to anyone who does not see teachers as gods.

I think maybe you've been unlucky with the schools you've visited. I guess too that it's the rude teachers you'll notice (the nice ones aren't bothering you, they are doing clubs with the kids or busy elsewhere).

I don't think it's you that's the problem. You have had bad experiences with teachers and it's fair enough to question it and not to like it. However, like in all professions there are some rude teachers (I've met plenty. MIL is one example of a v rude and overbearing teacher), but there are lots of great ones too (some of whom I am very lucky to have teaching my children).

Sorry you've had bad experiences with teachers in the schools you've visited. It's a shame these teachers will.be.modelling.poornbehqviour to the young people in the schools. Just ignore the pile on :(

Inspireme2 · 10/10/2024 08:04

Threelittleduck · 10/10/2024 07:22

Probably frowning and stressed because it's a thankless job with a huge amount of stress. And is it really that awful if they just ask you a question?

Teachers choose to teach..
Find another job.
You get more hoildays than the rest of the work force!

BabyR · 10/10/2024 08:03

I have been a parent for 15 years so I known exactly what you mean. They’re so miserable except for the odd ones.

We had two teachers bullying my child and they were caught out doing it by other staff. I think the power of being in charge went to their heads.

PleaseAskSomeoneWhoGivesAFuck · 10/10/2024 08:03

Van34 · 10/10/2024 07:14

I will preface this by saying I do not have kids and therefore my last interaction with teachers was when I was at school. I'm not going to let my teenage years cloud my judgement.

I have recently taken on a job that involves visiting schools (think cleaning supervisor, but not) I spend a couple of hours walking round with the team, talking about challenges, reviewing paperwork and doing a general checks. I don't have to interact with the teaching staff at all (thank god). But I find them so rude. They think nothing of just butting in mid conversation, no "sorry, I can see your talking, could I just ask X a question" they just start talking. They stare with a frown constantly and consistently. They don't thank you or the children for holding doors open for them. And they never smile back if you smile at them...

It takes me back to being at school all those years ago and now I wonder if it wasn't just me hating the place. I wonder if the teachers were all like that too.

This isn't an isolated incident. I travel to many schools and they are all the same...

Have you written to the education minister??
We obviously need a law to ban rude teachers
Followed by a law to jail rude parentts/those who let their kids be rude to adults/ those who take their children on holiday during term time 'because it's still edukation, innit?'

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 10/10/2024 08:02

I find some teachers rude but most are just knackered.

Namechangencncnc · 10/10/2024 08:01

"They stare with a frown constantly and consistently"

This made me laugh so much.

Ivyn · 10/10/2024 08:01

Van34 · 10/10/2024 07:59

Are you in teaching? Or do you just float in and out merrily like I do

You really are an unpleasant person aren't you.

FlyHalf · 10/10/2024 08:01

I wish posters would just say what they do, instead of this vague, 'Think cleaning supervisor but not' business. I don't work in a school, I have no idea what range of possible roles non-teachers might have.

Coruscations · 10/10/2024 08:01

stravagante · 10/10/2024 07:16

I was once told, by a very wise mentor that if I was regularly finding everyone around me to be an arsehole then the problem wasn't them, it was me.

I've worked in loads of schools and they've had their fair share of idiots but most folk are nice. Like in the rest of life.

As OP is only finding one profession to be arseholes, this doesn't apply to her, does it?

BlackOrangeFrog · 10/10/2024 08:01

Paisleydad · 10/10/2024 07:45

My son in law is a teacher. I've asked him about this.

I'm told it's in his contract that he must take every opportunity to seek out visitors to the school and find ways of being rude to them. Butting in is one of the most common techniques apparently. Others include talking about visitors within earshot and blocking cars in in the car park.

They have a Visitor Rudeness Form to fill out. This is a key performance indicator requiring monthly returns to Dept of Education and contributes positively to school league tables.

Apparently, it's something of a struggle to maintain a lead over the counter-balancing measure of pupils and parents being rude to teachers.

Don't forget the termly reports and progress measures in each visitor.

Theunamedcat · 10/10/2024 08:00

Are you ofstead?

Van34 · 10/10/2024 07:59

HarrietTheFireStarter · 10/10/2024 07:57

I find teachers as a cohort bossy and arrogant. The God complex thing. There are some nice ones with manners but there are a disproportionate number of bloody awful ones.

Are you in teaching? Or do you just float in and out merrily like I do

OP posts:
StolenChanel · 10/10/2024 07:59

SidekickSylvia · 10/10/2024 07:45

We're really busy.

This.

BlackOrangeFrog · 10/10/2024 07:59

HarrietTheFireStarter · 10/10/2024 07:57

I find teachers as a cohort bossy and arrogant. The God complex thing. There are some nice ones with manners but there are a disproportionate number of bloody awful ones.

I've worked in loads of schools and so not find that at all....

Maybe it a you problem.

Testingprof · 10/10/2024 07:58

Van34 · 10/10/2024 07:50

Ha maybe so.

Don't start me on car parking... not sure where they thought all the teachers would park when they built those tiny car parks!

Are you visiting new build schools by any chance? The psychitecture of many of them are terrible. If you’re in building management, where the companies wriggle out of doing much needed maintenance or corrective work I can totally understand why you’re getting short shrift even though it’s not you personally stopping works taking place or getting substandard work done.

Cosyblankets · 10/10/2024 07:58

HarrietTheFireStarter · 10/10/2024 07:57

I find teachers as a cohort bossy and arrogant. The God complex thing. There are some nice ones with manners but there are a disproportionate number of bloody awful ones.

How many do you know on a personal level?
Do you have an opinion on nurses or engineers "as a cohort"?

BlackOrangeFrog · 10/10/2024 07:58

Van34 · 10/10/2024 07:40

Abrasive is not a bad description.

They're just in a hurry and need to get shit done
...now. because they've just been asked to sort out yet another thing, whilst on the way to photocopying having got way laid by a child who fell over so they took them to reception, who then gave them that job.
And now you want them to wait meekly while you supervise your mysterious job, all the whole they are now late for that meeting they were supposed to take the photocopying to...

It might be helpful if you actually said what your role is for context.

Van34 · 10/10/2024 07:58

adogcalledbumble · 10/10/2024 07:52

I am there for maybe an hour. I walk around with the team and I leave...

This sounds quite peaceful, relaxed. So you have one focus?
“Walk”? Teachers don’t walk. They rush. Constantly. You appear totally unaware of the pressure they’re under which is why they’re impatiently interrupting you.
Most people’s eyes open in amazement at the speed of schools once they’re through the doors during a working day but not you eh?

When I say walk...I actually mean amble.

OP posts:
HarrietTheFireStarter · 10/10/2024 07:57

I find teachers as a cohort bossy and arrogant. The God complex thing. There are some nice ones with manners but there are a disproportionate number of bloody awful ones.

DoreenonTill8 · 10/10/2024 07:54

@Paisleydad good to see the standards being held up!
I hope he records on all paperwork the only reason he took the job was the short 9-3 day and long holidays!

adogcalledbumble · 10/10/2024 07:52

I am there for maybe an hour. I walk around with the team and I leave...

This sounds quite peaceful, relaxed. So you have one focus?
“Walk”? Teachers don’t walk. They rush. Constantly. You appear totally unaware of the pressure they’re under which is why they’re impatiently interrupting you.
Most people’s eyes open in amazement at the speed of schools once they’re through the doors during a working day but not you eh?

Sirzy · 10/10/2024 07:52

Last time I had to interrupt a conversation with our amazing site supervisor was because a child had pulled a piece off the toilet mid meltdown.

I wasn’t about to go and tell the stranger who she was talking to what was happening but it was important she knew quickly. So yes I interrupted the conversation to be able to pull her to one side to fill her in!

Cosyblankets · 10/10/2024 07:50

OP when was the last time you had to go the whole working day without time to go for a wee?
Are they rude or are they just in a rush because if they're not at their lesson or duty spot in time and something happens when they should be there they could lose their job?
You may feel your job is important but I'm fairly sure that unless it's going to give them more time to actually do their job they've got much more important things to do. The flag example may have been the only five minutes that person had that day.
What you're seeing is a group of people so stressed out that they're almost at the point of burnout

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