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To have grabbed phone off DD and shouted at DH

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GrilledPrawn · 09/10/2024 23:41

Teen DD has had plenty of warning/time/reminders to get homework done.

DH works 6 til 9, does very, very little support with our two children.
I’d already helped DD/DS with assignments. Put DS to bed. DD had started on her last assignment of two. DH arrived home, and I thought he’d help her finish off if needed.

i got ready for bed, but at 10 could still hear her downstairs crying. DH is just watching TV.
I went down to help. She finished and I told her to then go to bed.
She didn’t.

10.30 so now I’m insisting she goes to bed, but she wants to print something off.

I insist that we do it in the morning.
DD refuses, shouts at me - and now DH decides to join in and tries to get the printer working, but it’s not responding. I know I can do the printing from my phone in the morning.
This makes things worse as it’s undermining my stance and now DD is siding with DH.

I shout at them both and insist that DD goes to bed.
She goes - shouting at me.
I then check 15 mins later, and she’s in her room on her phone.

So I take it but need to grab it out her hand as she refuses.
DH then joins in (to undermine me) and I just shout at him to leave it.

DD wants her phone back, but I’m keeping it until sleep and then apologies in the morning.
DH is really pissing me off. He had the chance to help her, but didn’t. And then when he did decide to get involved he just made things worse.

OP posts:
DinosaurMunch · 10/10/2024 18:33

Pigeonqueen · 10/10/2024 08:21

When do dd and dh get to relax? 😳 It all seems very intense and dd sounds like she’s doing homework all evening! That’s ridiculous. Everyone needs time to relax.

The reason she's still not finished it at 10 pm is probably because of excessive relaxation at other times

TwinklyAmberOrca · 10/10/2024 18:31

In that situation YABU. As a teen (you don't say how old) she needs to take responsibility so if she had to stay up late to print it and be tired the next day then that's her fault. She will hopefully learn her lesson.

Saying to print it in the morning would have potentially meant a stressful night for your DD. You should have left them to it and gone to bed if you were tired.

Also, if she was on her phone at after 11pm, then what are the boundaries regarding her phone? My teen is NOT allowed his phone after 9.30pm. It locks and doesn't unlock until 7.30am the next morning. Same for his tablet.

MartinCrieffsLemon · 10/10/2024 18:26

It's still not appropriate to physically grab a phone off your child!

Teeshs · 10/10/2024 16:18

OP, you are married to a selfish loser.
Make quiet plans to ditch him.
Your children will be adults that will see clearly what a selfish waster their father was.
Have no doubt about that.

GrilledPrawn · 10/10/2024 16:14

Thanks for all your replies.

This is my frustration : DH just doesn’t seem to care. Care enough to know : their medical appointments, parents evenings, bedtime, giving DS a bath, reading with them, knowing how or what they are learning at school. He doesn’t clean the house, or garden, put the bins out etc etc.

He knew she needed help but ignored her to watch the tele. That was his priority.

Things have been great today, and when I got back DD apologised and had tidied the lounge/her bedroom : and gave me a hug.

In terms of grabbing the phone : I asked her to give it to me, given her time chance, and she was shouting at me and refusing. I feel that if I don’t enforce the boundary, her behaviour will escalate in the future. She’ll know that I will give in and get round me. I think she was remorseful today, and she needs the security of a boundary.

OP posts:
MartinCrieffsLemon · 10/10/2024 10:51

How old are your children?
If one is a teen, I can't imagine the other needs much "putting to bed" aside from you sticking your head in to say "phone off, good night" ir whatever.

Was DD crying because she was stuck or frustrated? Was it genuine or just playing up? Did she ask?

Ultimately no one acted well here. You grabbed her phone and yanked it out of her hand. That's not a good look and is quite aggressive behaviour towards your daughter.

LaughingPig · 10/10/2024 10:45

Sounds like you have massively escalated this tbh

CrispieCake · 10/10/2024 10:19

There are two separate issues here. The homework one is fairly easily addressed. Let your DD fail and get into trouble with school. She might get a few detentions but she needs to start taking responsibility for her schoolwork without you constantly being on her case.

The larger issue is that you sound very lonely and unsupported in your marriage and family life. YABU to expect a husband who has never done his share of parenting suddenly to change the habits of a lifetime. He has shown you who he is and where his priorities lie for years now - how you choose to respond to this is up to you.

FictionalCharacter · 10/10/2024 10:04

@Aysegull @PaperLampshade My former boss told me (grinning) that he knew some dads work late so that they’d arrive home after their wives had put the kids to bed.
I don’t think all the criticism of the OP here is fair. Her husband chooses to be out of the house for long hours. When he’s there he doesn’t do any parenting. He sat watching TV ignoring his crying daughter. The daughter did other things like playing about on her phone all evening, then started her homework too late. For both the dd and dh to insist on doing the printing at bedtime is ridiculous.

@GrilledPrawn Putting aside the dh problem, it would help if you had a calm talk with your daughter, and tell her that while you’re happy to help her with homework tasks, getting the homework done is her responsibility. If she plays on her phone all evening and doesn’t then have time to do the homework, that’s a choice she’s made. Trying to do her time management for her is futile.

Didimum · 10/10/2024 09:54

PleaseAskSomeoneWhoGivesAFuck · 10/10/2024 08:14

Why is asking why one lets oneself get into a situation pointless?
Granted, it is what it is now

Because yes, it is done now, and nothing the OP can do can reverse time to alter it. It also focusses blame on her rather than her husband, who, despite whatever shortsighted (and likely hopeful) decisions OP (and HE!) has made, should be showing up for his wife and family no matter what.

arthar · 10/10/2024 09:52

TBH DH has never really helped with the children. From birth. He’s always chosen work over being with them.

I think you should prioritise your children and leave him. He isn't present anyway, but at least if he isn't living with you all there will be no repeated hurt. The effect of a non present parent who actually lives with you is really bad.

Interesting how people are defending his need for downtime, yet OP is expected to step up all of the rime - I'm not saying OP was in the right last night but I can see that her need to manage things comes from a place of wanting him to have some sort of involvement with his children.

Aysegull · 10/10/2024 09:49

PaperLampshade · 10/10/2024 09:44

Yes. And she also suggests this is because of his lack of organisation, not that his job actually requires a 15-hour day.

I’ve said this on here before, but I had a colleague and friend who did exactly the same job as me, but did appear to be in the workplace for much longer hours, and apparently often went in on one if not two days at weekends.

I never gave it much thought until I met his wife, and noticed she was asking me a lot of questions about my job. It was only afterwards I realised that he’d been telling her the job needed incredibly long office days and extra work at weekends and she’d only realised when talking to me that I did exactly the same role during ordinary office hours and WFH at least one day a week.

And no, he wasn’t having an affair, he was just avoiding parenting his kids, taking them to sports, supervising homework, the gruntwork of being at home. When his wife divorced him, it was ‘too much pressure’ to have the children for more than a few hours at a time, and magically, once he had his own place, he worked far shorter hours and sat at home in his pants gaming at weekends.

i suspect this is what’s going on here.

Yes that’s why I said he’s “out” 15 hours a day, not working 15 hours a day.

I worked with someone very similar, except they didn’t have kids. He worked extremely long hours just to avoid going home to his wife, it was obvious he didn’t like her that much. I always wondered if they still together or finally split.

ByMerryKoala · 10/10/2024 09:48

I don't understand this. All my dc just do their own homework. If you are having to intervene like this regularly then I think they probably need more support from school which is being masked by this much help at home.

sorrythetruthhurts · 10/10/2024 09:46

OfficerChurlish · 10/10/2024 00:15

There's an awful lot of shouting going on, and it same seems that prep that should have been done in time was left to the last minute. It happens. In this specific case, I would think that your DH DD is not trusting you when you say it can be taken care of in the morning, and I'd ask her why not.

What also stands out to me here is: DH works 6 til 9, does very, very little support with our two children. How and why? I understand that he is out of the house a lot by necessity, but they are still his children. He should be doing as close as he reasonably can to 50% of the whole range of parenting duties.

Edited

He can't get near 50% because he's not there 50% of the waking hours. It's simple maths.

Singleandproud · 10/10/2024 09:44

You escalated this.
Your husband is an issue but works a long day I'm not surprised he needs down time.
DD needs support managing her time to learn the skills for future because she also needs downtime.

Apologise to her when she gets home and sit downn with her with a tea and some biscuits IE a nice relaxed environment. Say you were sorry for shouting at her but it was late and you felt X, Y, Z and obviously the current routine isn't working for any of you and that must have made her stressed and unhappy (hopefully you'll get an apology here). Talk to her and ask her what she thinks is fair and what barriers she has to getting homework done. She might suprise you with her self awareness. Buy one of those phone prisons so she can have control and put her phone in it for an hour or whatever suits her to keep her focussed. Does she want to come home have a snack and drink and crack on? Does she prefer a break between school and home before she starts it? Does she have the correct resources available to her?

PaperLampshade · 10/10/2024 09:44

Aysegull · 10/10/2024 09:33

I think OP meant 6am to 9pm, so he’s out 15 hours a day, not 3…

Yes. And she also suggests this is because of his lack of organisation, not that his job actually requires a 15-hour day.

I’ve said this on here before, but I had a colleague and friend who did exactly the same job as me, but did appear to be in the workplace for much longer hours, and apparently often went in on one if not two days at weekends.

I never gave it much thought until I met his wife, and noticed she was asking me a lot of questions about my job. It was only afterwards I realised that he’d been telling her the job needed incredibly long office days and extra work at weekends and she’d only realised when talking to me that I did exactly the same role during ordinary office hours and WFH at least one day a week.

And no, he wasn’t having an affair, he was just avoiding parenting his kids, taking them to sports, supervising homework, the gruntwork of being at home. When his wife divorced him, it was ‘too much pressure’ to have the children for more than a few hours at a time, and magically, once he had his own place, he worked far shorter hours and sat at home in his pants gaming at weekends.

i suspect this is what’s going on here.

sorrythetruthhurts · 10/10/2024 09:42

You also had a chance to do something and you didn't, you could have printed it from your phone at the time and saved her the anxiety. You could also have planned it so she started her homework earlier instead of leaving it until the last minute.

Notamum12345577 · 10/10/2024 09:40

Fastback · 10/10/2024 09:32

Your H is a joke. Why the fuck is he working three hours a day and doing nothing to help with his family, children and home? What a failure.

15 hours, not 3. He is working far too many hours a day

healthybychristmas · 10/10/2024 09:35

Is he really working all those hours?

Aysegull · 10/10/2024 09:33

Fastback · 10/10/2024 09:32

Your H is a joke. Why the fuck is he working three hours a day and doing nothing to help with his family, children and home? What a failure.

I think OP meant 6am to 9pm, so he’s out 15 hours a day, not 3…

Fastback · 10/10/2024 09:32

Your H is a joke. Why the fuck is he working three hours a day and doing nothing to help with his family, children and home? What a failure.

ItGhoul · 10/10/2024 09:31

Your daughter is a teenager. Surely she's too old for you and/or DH to be supervising her homework? A teenager should just be getting on with it, not needing help or supervision. And I don't really understand why it was a problem for her to print something out at 10.30pm.

Catza · 10/10/2024 09:25

Notamum12345577 · 10/10/2024 08:16

A lot of teens need help with their homework. Not doing it, maybe just explaining what something means. Do you would let your teen sob because they didn’t understand a maths question for example, and still wouldn’t help them?

That's different, though. Helping when asked for help is not the same as micro-managing homework. Many times, when homework is questioned, we are being told that it is assigned to get children prepped for doing independent learning. It's not independent if it needs prompting and monitoring from parents.
Children are responsible for their homework. Parents are there to provide support if a child asks for help. You can't spend years micro-managing every task your child does and then pull your hair out when they still ask you where their socks are at the age of 30.

arethereanyleftatall · 10/10/2024 08:52

I don't think homework is worth this.

Not at the expense of negativity, angst, arguments, crying, exhaustion.

And for what? Possibly an 8 instead of a 7. And I don't think any research supports that it does. So what?

If it's a 4 instead of a 3, then yes, but otherwise - simply not worth it.

redskydarknight · 10/10/2024 08:45

If DH works 6-9 then he's physically not there for most of the the time that two teen/tween(?) children will need support after school.

I'm not sure how old DD is, but crying over homework makes her sound like a younger teen. So you (both) probably need better boundaries that you stick to.

If you could print off your phone in the morning, why didn't you just do it then and there (or suggest DD printed at school) rather than all this shouting over printers? The situation is clearly not ideal, but the aim should have been to just get DD off to bed, a solution for the homework identified, and a strict conversation (tomorrow) about not leaving things to the last minute.