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To think sometimes people use words without fully understanding them?

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Oodiks · 09/10/2024 22:34

There were a few examples in my previous AIBU thread. Including, but not limited to:

Genocide
Antisemitism
Zionism
Ethnic Cleansing

These are strong trigger words for many people, myself included, but I think they are often misused and/or misunderstood.

Thoughts?

Zionism, n. meanings, etymology and more | Oxford English Dictionary

Zionism, n. meanings, etymology, pronunciation and more in the Oxford English Dictionary

https://www.oed.com/dictionary/zionism_n?tab=factsheet#13691072

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Oodiks · 10/10/2024 01:22

TumbledTussocks · 10/10/2024 01:16

"ichundich
Did your last thread not go how you intended? What is happening in Gaza right now meets the definition of 'genocide'."

"You are ascribing intention where there was none.

As horrifying as the apparent death toll is, it is nowhere near the horrifying toll on Jews, Romas, and other 'undesirables' in Nazi Germany or Tutsis in Rwanda, so not at the level of genocide in my opinion."

So anything under 6 million doesn't qualify as genocide in your opinion, lol.
Who's not understanding the definition now.

This has to be a wind up. So I'll skip off. I don't play like to play with trolls.

Of course it's a matter or proportion; if you state your intention to kill an entire group and you kill one member it's not genocide, if you kill 70% of them it clearly is.

Hamas has stated their genocidal intentions over and over, they just haven't managed to follow through.

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TumbledTussocks · 10/10/2024 01:17

Ps I believe dictionaries have been updated to include an informal version of literally - which is used for emphasis and is defined as actually.

TumbledTussocks · 10/10/2024 01:16

"ichundich
Did your last thread not go how you intended? What is happening in Gaza right now meets the definition of 'genocide'."

"You are ascribing intention where there was none.

As horrifying as the apparent death toll is, it is nowhere near the horrifying toll on Jews, Romas, and other 'undesirables' in Nazi Germany or Tutsis in Rwanda, so not at the level of genocide in my opinion."

So anything under 6 million doesn't qualify as genocide in your opinion, lol.
Who's not understanding the definition now.

This has to be a wind up. So I'll skip off. I don't play like to play with trolls.

VoodooQualities · 10/10/2024 01:15

Infer Vs imply

Alternate Vs alternative

Basically anything that has a verb and a noun version, so off the top of my head: quote vs quotation, invite vs invitation, license vs licence.

Not so much words as grammar:
My husband spoke to my sister and I
The dog bit my friend and I

I think that last one may be called hyper - correction. The person saying it has heard that you shouldn't say 'My friend and me went to the shops', so they correctly say 'My friend and I...' but then apply this rule to all sentences, including those where they're the object of the verb.

Sorry. Grammar enthusiast here, not nazi though because I don't correct people. I quietly seethe, and if I'm honest, I do consider myself to be a bit superior. Just a bit.

username3678 · 10/10/2024 01:15

Oodiks · 10/10/2024 01:05

Oh yes you are!!

No I'm not.

Oodiks · 10/10/2024 01:11

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 10/10/2024 01:04

Do you mean like 'flobadob'?

Indeed

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Oodiks · 10/10/2024 01:05

username3678 · 10/10/2024 01:04

They sanitised it by saying that they had no problem with Jewish people and wanted land.

But I'm not arguing the toss about Hamas.

Oh yes you are!!

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TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 10/10/2024 01:04

Do you mean like 'flobadob'?

username3678 · 10/10/2024 01:04

Oodiks · 10/10/2024 00:55

Yeah, they somewhat sanitized it by saying Zionists instead of Jews.

They sanitised it by saying that they had no problem with Jewish people and wanted land.

But I'm not arguing the toss about Hamas.

Oodiks · 10/10/2024 00:59

Oodiks · 10/10/2024 00:55

Yeah, they somewhat sanitized it by saying Zionists instead of Jews.

Should also be noted that they did not in any way repudiate the original and have said it does not replace the founding charter. So, basically both are still in effect.

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HollyLollyMollyJolly · 10/10/2024 00:59

malmi · 10/10/2024 00:44

Literally works great as an intensifier and it's been used in this way since literally forever. Anyone who feigns exasperation at it is just looking for things to feel superior about in my opinion.

Literally works great as an intensifier
It does now.

and it's been used in this way since literally forever.
That's literally false.

Anyone who feigns exasperation at it
I, for one, am not exasperated about it, let alone 'feigning exasperation'. Far from it. People are having a discussion.

is just looking for things to feel superior about in my opinion.
Your opinion on this is literally ridiculous. It means everyone posting on this thread, including the OP, is feigning exasperation and "just looking for things to feel superior about". This is literally the theme of the thread. Perhaps, you're exasperated at this instead.

Oodiks · 10/10/2024 00:55

username3678 · 10/10/2024 00:49

It was changed in 2017 but you know that, right.

Yeah, they somewhat sanitized it by saying Zionists instead of Jews.

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username3678 · 10/10/2024 00:49

Oodiks · 10/10/2024 00:47

LOL, you're the one who thinks the Hamas charter is about land not religion.

Have you tried reading it, The Avalon Project : Hamas Covenant 1988 (yale.edu)?

It was changed in 2017 but you know that, right.

Oodiks · 10/10/2024 00:47

username3678 · 10/10/2024 00:25

I know what you mean. Some of my bugbears are:

Disengenuous
Denial
Mental gymnastics
Incredulity

LOL, you're the one who thinks the Hamas charter is about land not religion.

Have you tried reading it, The Avalon Project : Hamas Covenant 1988 (yale.edu)?

The Avalon Project : Hamas Covenant 1988

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

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malmi · 10/10/2024 00:44

Literally works great as an intensifier and it's been used in this way since literally forever. Anyone who feigns exasperation at it is just looking for things to feel superior about in my opinion.

herecomesautumn · 10/10/2024 00:27

Mine are

Nonplussed
Disinterested
Infer

username3678 · 10/10/2024 00:25

I know what you mean. Some of my bugbears are:

Disengenuous
Denial
Mental gymnastics
Incredulity

herecomesautumn · 10/10/2024 00:24

ichundich · 09/10/2024 23:15

Did your last thread not go how you intended? What is happening in Gaza right now meets the definition of 'genocide'.

Nope

readysteadynono · 10/10/2024 00:22

People muddle up mortified and horrified quite often.
They are use humbled when they mean something quite different e.g it was so humbling to win a huge away.

CautiousLurker · 10/10/2024 00:18

DwightDFlysenhower · 10/10/2024 00:14

In a book I downloaded onto my Kindle, characters kept smiling or looking lecherously at one another.

I think the author thinks it's a fancy word for unpleasant.

Edited

Self published (self edited) books are the worst!!

MonsteraMama · 10/10/2024 00:18

I'm not sure why but the one that always really annoys me is "ambivalent".

I see and hear people using it a lot when they mean "nonchalant, apathetic etc" when it doesn't mean that at all.

DwightDFlysenhower · 10/10/2024 00:14

In a book I downloaded onto my Kindle, characters kept smiling or looking lecherously at one another.

I think the author thinks it's a fancy word for unpleasant.

SimpleThings101 · 10/10/2024 00:13

I hear a lot of exasperated when people mean exacerbated. Drives me nuts. 🙃

SimpleThings101 · 10/10/2024 00:11

CautiousLurker · 10/10/2024 00:02

Eviscerated

when we actually mean excoriated…

Did that for years, myself. Felt like such a twit when I realised!

So many of these are derived from Latin. I’m thankful for a very academic education where I studied Latin for 5 years- helps enormously with English.

HollyLollyMollyJolly · 10/10/2024 00:03

Literally is literally. It's not (to be) used metaphorically. I'm not sure what the argument is here. You can say you died or died of embarrassment and that's fine - you're not saying that you're literally dead. You can say you're literally extremely embarrassed, that's fine too, but you cannot say you "literally died" or "literally died of embarrassment" (and still be literally alive).

It's a turn of phrase people have misused so much it's accepted because it's understood but it doesn't make it grammatically correct.