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To think sometimes people use words without fully understanding them?

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Oodiks · 09/10/2024 22:34

There were a few examples in my previous AIBU thread. Including, but not limited to:

Genocide
Antisemitism
Zionism
Ethnic Cleansing

These are strong trigger words for many people, myself included, but I think they are often misused and/or misunderstood.

Thoughts?

Zionism, n. meanings, etymology and more | Oxford English Dictionary

Zionism, n. meanings, etymology, pronunciation and more in the Oxford English Dictionary

https://www.oed.com/dictionary/zionism_n?tab=factsheet#13691072

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ATenShun · 10/10/2024 02:35

Oops sorry I just put words up I did understand the meaning of.

meinemwein · 10/10/2024 02:35

The Daily Mail's use of the word "estranged" is one of the few that really annoys me. As in "celeb holidays with estranged husband"....

ATenShun · 10/10/2024 02:35

Warmongerer. Use in a sentence: A great many consider Benjamin Netanyahu to be a warmongerer based on his aggressive stance against Gaza.

Victimhood. Use in a sentence: Some people use a false sense of victimhood to attempt to claim the moral high ground while carrying out the same crimes they claim were perpetuated on them.

PleaseAskSomeoneWhoGivesAFuck · 10/10/2024 02:34

Oodiks · 10/10/2024 00:59

Should also be noted that they did not in any way repudiate the original and have said it does not replace the founding charter. So, basically both are still in effect.

Why not just be honest and say this post is really about, but it is being derailed by people trying to answer the original title?

Lyannaa · 10/10/2024 02:31

The number of young people who say 'generally' when they mean 'genuinely' makes my teeth itch 🤬

LBFseBrom · 10/10/2024 02:29

Mayorq · 09/10/2024 23:01

Mansplaining
Gaslighting

Yes!

skateboarding

PleaseAskSomeoneWhoGivesAFuck · 10/10/2024 02:27

IceCreamIsTheDream · 09/10/2024 23:49

I have used all four of those very emotive words in the last year when discussing or reacting to, the horrors endured by thousands of innocent civilians, mainly children, in Gaza.

I understand the words very well. I am very clear on their meaning. I know fully well what I mean when I use those four words, and the intent behind my use of them.

If someone's opinion differs to mine, it does not mean I am ignorant or do not have a good grasp of language. It just means their opinion differs from mine. To suggest my difference of opinion is simply due to ignorence or incorrect language use is incredibly patronising!

That's far too sensible a reply!
Thank you

PleaseAskSomeoneWhoGivesAFuck · 10/10/2024 02:24

Oodiks · 09/10/2024 23:35

You are ascribing intention where there was none.

As horrifying as the apparent death toll is, it is nowhere near the horrifying toll on Jews, Romas, and other 'undesirables' in Nazi Germany or Tutsis in Rwanda, so not at the level of genocide in my opinion.

There is also the question of numbers as Hamas does not differentiate between combatant and civilian lives lost so it's hard to know what's really going on. Killing combatants in a war is sadly fair game, and I've read that the combatant to civilian death ratio in this conflict may actually be quite low.

You accuse the poster of ascribing intention, deny it, then do precisely what the PP said you were doing - using this post as an excuse to expound your views on the situation in the Middle East.
Rather transparent

VoodooQualities · 10/10/2024 02:22

echt · 10/10/2024 02:18

Fulsome, as in fulsome praise. It sounds like it should be good, but has Uriah-Heep like connotations of fawning, cloying hyperbole.

🩷 Dickens fan here 🩷

PleaseAskSomeoneWhoGivesAFuck · 10/10/2024 02:20

Oodiks · 09/10/2024 23:09

You don't think people know what these words mean when they use them?

Oh, OP, how disappointingly predictable!
Not interested in words others have suggested, just want to discuss those 'coincidentally' inflammatory words?

echt · 10/10/2024 02:18

Fulsome, as in fulsome praise. It sounds like it should be good, but has Uriah-Heep like connotations of fawning, cloying hyperbole.

MissPeaches · 10/10/2024 02:15

Oodiks · 10/10/2024 01:50

So, describing themselves being angry they've said, "I was absolutely mortified"? I'd be so confused by the dissonance between the words and intention.

I don’t find it particularly confusing as the context usually makes the intended meaning clear. But I do find it annoying! Not as annoying as when someone uses “myself” instead of “me” but close.

Another pet peeve of mine is nauseous/nauseated. Something nauseous can make you feel nauseated but you can’t actually feel nauseous.

ElleneAsanto · 10/10/2024 02:11

splatmouse · 10/10/2024 01:45

Conflate: it doesn't mean to mix things up and think X is Y and that Y is X. It's to confuse two things into a separate thing, to think X and Y are Z.

Collide: as I understand it, for a collision to occur, both particles have to be in motion. Not sure if I have this wrong or if it's just that enough people get it wrong that the incorrect meaning has become accepted usage.

Electrocute: like decimate, electrocute has a specific meaning and it's that the shock recieved was lethal.

Likewise “execute” - it is the judicial (death) sentence that is carried out, or executed. Not the person.

MissPeaches · 10/10/2024 02:08

splatmouse · 10/10/2024 01:45

Conflate: it doesn't mean to mix things up and think X is Y and that Y is X. It's to confuse two things into a separate thing, to think X and Y are Z.

Collide: as I understand it, for a collision to occur, both particles have to be in motion. Not sure if I have this wrong or if it's just that enough people get it wrong that the incorrect meaning has become accepted usage.

Electrocute: like decimate, electrocute has a specific meaning and it's that the shock recieved was lethal.

Well if we’re being pedantic here — and it seems we are — “conflate” means to erroneously combine two ideas into one. It doesn’t create a whole new idea. It’s not so much like mixing up X and Y and thinking it is Z, more like mixing up X and Y and thinking it is XY.

I’ve never heard that “collide” only applies to two things that are both moving. Can you post a link to the definition?

American dictionaries define “electrocute” to include non-fatal injuries. I’m American so I’m used to that but it seems like Brits these days consume a lot of American TV shows, books, social media and the like so they may be picking it up that way.

herecomesautumn · 10/10/2024 01:58

username3678 · 10/10/2024 00:25

I know what you mean. Some of my bugbears are:

Disengenuous
Denial
Mental gymnastics
Incredulity

How are these words used incorrectly?

Oodiks · 10/10/2024 01:50

MissPeaches · 10/10/2024 01:48

It means very embarrassed. A lot of people use it to mean angry.

So, describing themselves being angry they've said, "I was absolutely mortified"? I'd be so confused by the dissonance between the words and intention.

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MissPeaches · 10/10/2024 01:48

Oodiks · 10/10/2024 01:46

I'm puzzled that lots of people have said 'mortified' - how is it used incorrectly?

It means very embarrassed. A lot of people use it to mean angry.

MissPeaches · 10/10/2024 01:48

KnickerlessParsons · 09/10/2024 23:22

Normal and abnormal.

Percent, as in "I gave 110% effort"

I’m pretty sure “110% effort” is intended as hyperbole.

Oodiks · 10/10/2024 01:46

I'm puzzled that lots of people have said 'mortified' - how is it used incorrectly?

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username3678 · 10/10/2024 01:46

Oodiks · 10/10/2024 01:22

Of course it's a matter or proportion; if you state your intention to kill an entire group and you kill one member it's not genocide, if you kill 70% of them it clearly is.

Hamas has stated their genocidal intentions over and over, they just haven't managed to follow through.

You need to learn the meaning of genocide.

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

  1. Killing members of the group;
  2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
  3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
  4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
  5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

As you know, the Israeli government have stated their intention to destroy Gaza and have killed members of the group, caused serious harm to the group and inflicted conditions calculated to bring about its destruction.

Nowhere does it mention numbers needed to qualify. Now don't pretend you don't know what it means because it's been explained a few times to you already and that would be disengenuous.

Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 10/10/2024 01:46

Oodiks · 09/10/2024 23:35

You are ascribing intention where there was none.

As horrifying as the apparent death toll is, it is nowhere near the horrifying toll on Jews, Romas, and other 'undesirables' in Nazi Germany or Tutsis in Rwanda, so not at the level of genocide in my opinion.

There is also the question of numbers as Hamas does not differentiate between combatant and civilian lives lost so it's hard to know what's really going on. Killing combatants in a war is sadly fair game, and I've read that the combatant to civilian death ratio in this conflict may actually be quite low.

Majority dead are women and children. Combatants are they? Babies with skulls hollowed out? Fair game to you right?
This thread is a blatant dig at those horrified by what's happening at the hands of right wing nut jobs. Spare me the faux concern about the use of terminology.

splatmouse · 10/10/2024 01:45

Conflate: it doesn't mean to mix things up and think X is Y and that Y is X. It's to confuse two things into a separate thing, to think X and Y are Z.

Collide: as I understand it, for a collision to occur, both particles have to be in motion. Not sure if I have this wrong or if it's just that enough people get it wrong that the incorrect meaning has become accepted usage.

Electrocute: like decimate, electrocute has a specific meaning and it's that the shock recieved was lethal.

YessandNno · 10/10/2024 01:43

I frequently see these words used incorrectly.
Nonplussed
Bemused
Mortified
Momentarily

VoodooQualities · 10/10/2024 01:38

Ooh yes, your right that's a good one. 😉

Oodiks · 10/10/2024 01:30

VoodooQualities · 10/10/2024 01:15

Infer Vs imply

Alternate Vs alternative

Basically anything that has a verb and a noun version, so off the top of my head: quote vs quotation, invite vs invitation, license vs licence.

Not so much words as grammar:
My husband spoke to my sister and I
The dog bit my friend and I

I think that last one may be called hyper - correction. The person saying it has heard that you shouldn't say 'My friend and me went to the shops', so they correctly say 'My friend and I...' but then apply this rule to all sentences, including those where they're the object of the verb.

Sorry. Grammar enthusiast here, not nazi though because I don't correct people. I quietly seethe, and if I'm honest, I do consider myself to be a bit superior. Just a bit.

Also people who use 'myself' instead of 'me', as in 'Ms Bibble and myself will be conducting the interview.'

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