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To think sometimes people use words without fully understanding them?

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Oodiks · 09/10/2024 22:34

There were a few examples in my previous AIBU thread. Including, but not limited to:

Genocide
Antisemitism
Zionism
Ethnic Cleansing

These are strong trigger words for many people, myself included, but I think they are often misused and/or misunderstood.

Thoughts?

Zionism, n. meanings, etymology and more | Oxford English Dictionary

Zionism, n. meanings, etymology, pronunciation and more in the Oxford English Dictionary

https://www.oed.com/dictionary/zionism_n?tab=factsheet#13691072

OP posts:
MoveToParis · 10/10/2024 13:39

forthelifeofme · 10/10/2024 09:59

That's awful. Really awful. Especially as Hamas deliberately provoked this death and destruction on their own people, and then never used their extensive tunnels under Gaza ( built with money they should have been using to build up Gaza) to protect their own citizens in ( you know, like Londoners were able to use the underground tunnels of the Tube during the bombing raids of WW2), but instead revelled in the deaths of their own people as 'the blood of martyrs that fortifies our fight.'

You must be furious with Hamas for all of this, really furious. I don't blame you. You are right to be furious with them.

Sure, and prayers of thanks to the IDF as well. [sarcasm]

Are you not ashamed to reply to the deaths of children in such a disingenuous manner. Were you smirking to yourself as you typed “you made me do it”

quantumbutterfly · 10/10/2024 10:03

forthelifeofme · 10/10/2024 09:53

So true OP.

I would add to your list ' Fascist' and 'Nazi', which are now near universally misused terms, including by black clothed, black booted men screaming at other people, without a hint of irony or self-reflection.

Always makes me think of rik from 'the young ones.'

forthelifeofme · 10/10/2024 09:59

sorrythetruthhurts · 10/10/2024 09:49

They're describing how you should feel about your last thread.

People in Gaza are identifying their dead children as liquid mess in carrier bags, while freed Israeli hostages are posing around their pools for CNN.

That's awful. Really awful. Especially as Hamas deliberately provoked this death and destruction on their own people, and then never used their extensive tunnels under Gaza ( built with money they should have been using to build up Gaza) to protect their own citizens in ( you know, like Londoners were able to use the underground tunnels of the Tube during the bombing raids of WW2), but instead revelled in the deaths of their own people as 'the blood of martyrs that fortifies our fight.'

You must be furious with Hamas for all of this, really furious. I don't blame you. You are right to be furious with them.

forthelifeofme · 10/10/2024 09:53

So true OP.

I would add to your list ' Fascist' and 'Nazi', which are now near universally misused terms, including by black clothed, black booted men screaming at other people, without a hint of irony or self-reflection.

sorrythetruthhurts · 10/10/2024 09:49

Oodiks · 10/10/2024 01:46

I'm puzzled that lots of people have said 'mortified' - how is it used incorrectly?

They're describing how you should feel about your last thread.

People in Gaza are identifying their dead children as liquid mess in carrier bags, while freed Israeli hostages are posing around their pools for CNN.

Alina3 · 10/10/2024 09:13

Weary and wary.

Whenever someone says they're weary of something I just think oh, you're tired of it. But they mean 'wary' like a bit afraid.

Also 'defiantly' when they mean 'definitely'. It does make me chuckle, that one. Like someone is standing their ground jutting their chin out with their hand on their hip DEFIANTLY doing or saying something haha

Another has got to be pedal stool when they mean pedestal, or 'wa la' when they mean voila.

Special mention to the Americans saying 'I could care less' when they mean couldn't!

DwightDFlysenhower · 10/10/2024 08:16

Also hate office says that mean something else - Fire fighting and deep dive spring to mind.

Showstopper being used as a negative annoys me.

SimpleThings101 · 10/10/2024 07:17

Oodiks · 10/10/2024 01:30

Also people who use 'myself' instead of 'me', as in 'Ms Bibble and myself will be conducting the interview.'

“Ms Bibble and myself will be conducting the interview.'”

BUT it should be “and I”
not “and me”

come on now! 🙃

sashh · 10/10/2024 07:17

I see you and raise you, very unique. I know that's a phrase but it seemed apt.

SimpleThings101 · 10/10/2024 06:57

MyKidsAreTooNoisy · 10/10/2024 06:52

Or you can just learn English well. Logically learning one language is easier than two.

(My mother used to say the same as you and actually I literally find it triggering. So stop gaslighting us please. )

Gaslighting? 🤔

MyKidsAreTooNoisy · 10/10/2024 06:52

SimpleThings101 · 10/10/2024 00:11

So many of these are derived from Latin. I’m thankful for a very academic education where I studied Latin for 5 years- helps enormously with English.

Or you can just learn English well. Logically learning one language is easier than two.

(My mother used to say the same as you and actually I literally find it triggering. So stop gaslighting us please. )

sunights · 10/10/2024 06:50

YABU for including links to a source people need to subscribe to.

autienotnaughty · 10/10/2024 06:40

Starving
Flu
OCD
Autism
Abusive

Also hate office says that mean something else-
Fire fighting and deep dive spring to mind.

TheaBrandt · 10/10/2024 06:37

Have seen posts saying similar to “am mortified that keir starmer has taken winter fuel payments”. No you are disappointed/ angry etc not mortified. Surely to be mortified you need to have done or perceived to have done something you then feel embarrassed about?

So the poor poster whose teen was rude to a GP was mortified- correct use of word.

Ceilingplatter · 10/10/2024 06:36

Oodiks · 09/10/2024 23:35

You are ascribing intention where there was none.

As horrifying as the apparent death toll is, it is nowhere near the horrifying toll on Jews, Romas, and other 'undesirables' in Nazi Germany or Tutsis in Rwanda, so not at the level of genocide in my opinion.

There is also the question of numbers as Hamas does not differentiate between combatant and civilian lives lost so it's hard to know what's really going on. Killing combatants in a war is sadly fair game, and I've read that the combatant to civilian death ratio in this conflict may actually be quite low.

Genuinely can’t believe some people are still denying this genocide. More children have been killed in one year than in any other recent war. Pretty unlikely they were all ‘combatants’.

MaggieMaggieMay · 10/10/2024 06:25

ATenShun · 10/10/2024 03:06

''in this one I'm intentionally riffing off the previous one''

Riffing. Verb: to speak for a long time on a particular subject, especially in a humorous way.

Do let us know when the humorous part starts.

We're still waiting OP.......

MoveToParis · 10/10/2024 06:22

Here’s an example
Oct 9, 2023, Israel’s Education Minister declared “Those are animals, they have no right to exist. I am not debating the way it will happen, but they need to be exterminated”.

If it was said about a group of which you were a member then you would know instantly that its intention is genocidal.

HornungTheHelpful · 10/10/2024 06:21

Have we done “infer” and “imply” yet?
Also “not fair” used to mean “I don’t like that”. My children are banned from saying “not fair” unless they can define the phrase and explain why the alleged transgression comes within that

MoveToParis · 10/10/2024 06:18

Oodiks · 09/10/2024 23:35

You are ascribing intention where there was none.

As horrifying as the apparent death toll is, it is nowhere near the horrifying toll on Jews, Romas, and other 'undesirables' in Nazi Germany or Tutsis in Rwanda, so not at the level of genocide in my opinion.

There is also the question of numbers as Hamas does not differentiate between combatant and civilian lives lost so it's hard to know what's really going on. Killing combatants in a war is sadly fair game, and I've read that the combatant to civilian death ratio in this conflict may actually be quite low.

I think you’ll find that many politicians have indicated genocidal intent.

You’ll also find that meeting the standard of genocide doesn’t require Holocaust levels of death.

And the last thing you’ll find, is that when it comes to a court your opinion has the same merit as mine- absolutely zero.
The facts will be presented and the judges will decide.

leafybrew · 10/10/2024 06:18

TwattyMcFuckFace · 09/10/2024 23:13

What do you mean pacifically OP?

😂😂

@Oodiks

Irony

showersandflowers · 10/10/2024 06:16

Oops sorry, went to get fluff off of nail and posted too soon. She says things like "I generally think so" instead of "I genuinely think so".

showersandflowers · 10/10/2024 06:15

I knew someone who often mixed up "genuinely" and "generally". She's often on the news and says things like "

TheSunnySideoftheStreet · 10/10/2024 06:10

I don't know ...this thread is giving me all sorts of bad vibes.

sanityisamyth · 10/10/2024 05:27

InfoSecInTheCity · 09/10/2024 23:45

No @Rickrolypoly because if they had literally died they would be dead.

"The adverb literally means "actually," and we use it when we want others to know we're serious, not exaggerating or being metaphorical. The adverb literally means "actually," and we use it when we want others to know we're serious, not exaggerating or being metaphorical."

So good you needed to say it twice?!

Sydneyoz · 10/10/2024 04:50

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