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To not want him to complain in restaurants?

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FirecrackerK · 09/10/2024 11:19

My DP is really into his food, makes most meals at home and even thought about being a chef when he was younger. It's a hobby.

But I'd say 60% of the time when we're out for a meal, if the server asks 'how was your meal?' he doesnt give the obligatory response.

Instead he uses it as an opportunity to moan about the carrots of the gravy or whatever and say 'it could've been more X'. I feel really embarrassed when he does this as other diners are just quietly enjoying their meals!

He stopped for a while because he knew it bothered me but he's back at it again

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montelbano · 09/10/2024 13:23

IfOnlyTheyWent · 09/10/2024 12:26

MrsSunshine2b. Not to derail the thread but I thought ths purpose of been given a small bit of wine in the glass was to try it and see if you like it first before buying the whole bottle? Blush

Can't see that going down well.
Order £30 bottle of wine. Waiter opens bottle and pours small amount in glass. No, don't like that,can you open a different one please. Waiter pours first bottle down sink. Repeat ad infinitum.
Despite the 'show' some people insist upon, wine is very rarely 'corked'.

Manxexile · 09/10/2024 13:21

TheFlis · 09/10/2024 12:13

My brother is a successful chef. He would never dream of picking holes in a meal and giving that feedback to waiting staff, they don’t control the food and it just kills the vibe. If something is off about the experience he will email the manager afterwards.

And This ^

The DP also needs to add to the email his name, address and phone number and invite the chef to contact him for some specialised catering tuition which the chef all too obviously needs(!).

The man sounds an insufferable "look at me" and "wannabe" boor...

ComtesseDeSpair · 09/10/2024 13:21

I always suspected that this is how most of the restaurants on Gordon Ramsay’s Kitchen Nightmares ended up there: you know the ones, where the owner / chef is insisting “our food is excellent, everyone loves the food, there’s nothing wrong with the food, we ask all our customers how they’re enjoying their meals and nobody ever has anything but praise, our customers would tell us if they didn’t like the food…”

Turns out, customers don’t, they just say everything’s fine.

Gonegirl7 · 09/10/2024 13:20

ruethewhirl · 09/10/2024 13:17

So in other words you think people should lie about a substandard meal unless there's a major problem? Blimey.

No if it’s substandard then that’s an issue to be mentioned.

i mean if it’s good or fine then you don’t give feedback

PaperGloves · 09/10/2024 13:18

Lovelysummerdays · 09/10/2024 13:11

Yeah this is true I lived in the Netherlands so appreciate directness. I went out with a friend for lunch their roulade (starter)was frozen in the middle and my main was a bit vile. They waiter turned up and they said it was lovely. As they were paying I politely lied too. I wouldn’t go back though.

Yes, but that’s different! You were at a shit ‘throw it in the microwave’ place, and it wasn’t even barely adequate. It wasn’t edible! Of course you send it back. That’s different to the OP’s husband giving his five-minute rundown on why the carrots with sumac weren’t correctly spiced.

jackstini · 09/10/2024 13:18

If there is really something to complain about, you do it very shortly after being served, so they have a chance to rectify it

If you eat the lot but then make a comment after you've finished, that's tedious and a bit of a dick move

Detailed feedback is better on Tripadvisor etc where management can take note

Definitely explain that it really spoils the occasion for you and you need him to rein it in

ruethewhirl · 09/10/2024 13:17

Gonegirl7 · 09/10/2024 12:42

You say the food is good/ great every time unless there is a big problem eg it’s cold when it should be hot. You don’t give critique unless you are a food critic and actually have expertise on the matter.

how embarrassing, I would refuse to go out with him until he stops

So in other words you think people should lie about a substandard meal unless there's a major problem? Blimey.

Manxexile · 09/10/2024 13:17

HundredMilesAnHour · 09/10/2024 12:15

He sounds like a prat. He "thought about being a chef". 😂But he isn't a chef is he? Never trained or worked as one? Yet he thinks he knows better than a Michelin starred chef? I'd be embarrassed for him.

I have quite a few chef friends. Some of them even gained Michelin stars when they were the head chef. They love a chat about food and ingredients and all things cuisine when they're not in the middle of a busy service but honestly, the front of house staff will just think he's a dick. None of the chefs I know behave like him when they go out to eat. His behaviour would give me the ick.

This ^

zingally · 09/10/2024 13:14

Oh, it's super cringy.

My sisters DH used to be/is the same. But if it was a female waitress, he'd also take the opportunity to attempt to flirt! Flirting and complaining about the food, with his literal wife - my sister - also sat there, was just dire beyond belief.

Worse still, he's got the cooking skills of a pre-school child. All I've EVER known him make is a spaghetti bolognaise, which, having sampled myself, is only average. So he's hardly in a place to criticize!

Lovelysummerdays · 09/10/2024 13:11

Catza · 09/10/2024 13:03

Definitely. As the only non-Brit in my circle of friends I find it laughable that the entire table will be complaining about their meal but when the waiter comes around everyone says "the meal is great" in unison. Why? Whom does it benefit? You? No, because you eat and pay for sub-par meal. Restaurant? Also no, because without feedback they have no way to improve. The whole "voting with your feet" which is so ubiquitous in Britain is just not a thing in most other countries. You don't like something, you say so and, ore often than not, it will be actioned.

Yeah this is true I lived in the Netherlands so appreciate directness. I went out with a friend for lunch their roulade (starter)was frozen in the middle and my main was a bit vile. They waiter turned up and they said it was lovely. As they were paying I politely lied too. I wouldn’t go back though.

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 09/10/2024 13:07

No he's never sent the food back. But is it any better storing up the criticism for the end?

Well it sounds like he doesn't want to send it back because it's only a small thing he comments on? He's only storing it up for the end because that's when they ask.

I'm guilty of just saying "yes, food was great thanks" when it wasn't. But I don't think he's doing anything wrong by politely answering the question asked.

greenwoodentablelegs · 09/10/2024 13:06

I think I would do two things

  1. pre warn the waiter that your DH might be a prick
  2. just get up and go to the loo when the waiter asks.

or just jump in and say ‘oh mine was lovely!’

Catza · 09/10/2024 13:03

FirecrackerK · 09/10/2024 11:26

@ComtesseDeSpair well he isn't British and can be quite direct. Maybe explains it.

Definitely. As the only non-Brit in my circle of friends I find it laughable that the entire table will be complaining about their meal but when the waiter comes around everyone says "the meal is great" in unison. Why? Whom does it benefit? You? No, because you eat and pay for sub-par meal. Restaurant? Also no, because without feedback they have no way to improve. The whole "voting with your feet" which is so ubiquitous in Britain is just not a thing in most other countries. You don't like something, you say so and, ore often than not, it will be actioned.

FirecrackerK · 09/10/2024 13:01

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 09/10/2024 13:00

Your thread title doesn't quite match what is happening imo. He's not complaining in the sense that he's flagging the waiter down to tell them there's an issue, or sending the food back. He's just answering the question that's been asked.

No he's never sent the food back. But is it any better storing up the criticism for the end?

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FirecrackerK · 09/10/2024 13:00

MrsSunshine2b · 09/10/2024 12:21

Have you explained to him that when they ask "How was your meal?" they are just being polite and making sure there was nothing awful, like a hair in the food? It's like when an acquaintance or colleague asks how you are in passing, they don't actually want a full run down of your health, wellbeing and domestic situation.

I went to a meal with a group including my boss at the time, he ordered 6 wines and sent them back before he found one he was satisfied with. It was mortifying, although the wait staff tried not to show it. He clearly didn't know that once the bottle has been opened, you are offered to try the wine to ensure it's not corked. It's not a wine tasting session and you're expected to know which wine you want before you order, and no-one wanted to be the one to tell him.

Hopefully you can spare your husband (and yourself) any more embarrassment by teaching him that the waitress doesn't actually need to know if he thinks the sauce could have better complemented the carrots.

This is how I feel.

It's a polite question, a social lubricant. He just doesn't seem to get it.

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WaltzingWaters · 09/10/2024 13:00

This would annoy me unless there really is a genuine problem with the food being not up to the standard of the price. But that regularly, I understand why it’s embarrassing!
maybe talk to him about it again, reiterating how much it annoys you, and ask that in future unless something really isn’t right, he sticks with trip advisor reviews.

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 09/10/2024 13:00

Your thread title doesn't quite match what is happening imo. He's not complaining in the sense that he's flagging the waiter down to tell them there's an issue, or sending the food back. He's just answering the question that's been asked.

Coruscations · 09/10/2024 12:59

FirecrackerK · 09/10/2024 11:27

Once I saw the chef's face through an open door after he'd made a complaint.

Face like thunder!

Oops. I hope he checked for spit or worse in anything that was served afterwards.

winterbirds · 09/10/2024 12:56

Zooks · 09/10/2024 12:55

Prat that waitstaff doesn’t know what’s serving? Isn’t that waitstaff job? Is there cheese in the XYZ? It’s the job.

Or prat for pantomiming if there’s a language barrier?

I give up. 😂

TypingoftheDead · 09/10/2024 12:56

ilovesooty · 09/10/2024 12:44

I bet if there was a post like this from a woman whose husband or partner did this he'd be accused of silencing her.

Thing is, OP has told him it bothers her (and if it’s a case of the food not matching his personal taste then why does he need to complain?!) but he’s still doing it. It’s embarrassing for her.
Like a PP said, a server asking if everything is ok isn’t looking for a critique on the flavours etc, they’re asking if there is anything wrong (food is cold or something was missing etc). The chef can’t be expected to do something like make several different kinds of gravy for one dish!

FineMom · 09/10/2024 12:56

When someone moans especially about something relatively minor, it really detracts from a night out for me. Maybe he’s doing it to show off his knowledge and to get one up on the chef - if so then he’s a bit pathetic.

Zooks · 09/10/2024 12:55

winterbirds · 09/10/2024 12:44

and gets cross that they have no idea what they’re serving … then he will walk right into the kitchen to talk/pantomime with “chef” to find out how they make it.

Why he is a prat you ask?

Prat that waitstaff doesn’t know what’s serving? Isn’t that waitstaff job? Is there cheese in the XYZ? It’s the job.

Or prat for pantomiming if there’s a language barrier?

Foxblue · 09/10/2024 12:55

I think there's absolutely something to be said if there's something wrong with the dish. And maybe if its REALLY obvious, balance of flavours, over salted etc. But the fact he does it nearly 2/3rds of the time you go out smacks of performative foody-ism. Or not understanding that he's picky. Or not picking the right Michelin star restaurants for his preferences.

FirecrackerK · 09/10/2024 12:55

ginasevern · 09/10/2024 12:01

The thing is, dining out isn't just about the food. It's about the ambience, the company, the conversation and (to an extent) making those you are eating with feel comfortable. It's supposed to be enjoyable. I always comment if something is sub par but this sounds like a total downer and, yes, highly embarrasing. I think you need to tell him that unless something is unacceptable, then his "expert" comments can be posted on Tripadvisor.

Thank you! This is a good way for me to put it i think. It affects my comfort level when he does it repeatedly.

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betterangels · 09/10/2024 12:54

JudgeJ · 09/10/2024 12:50

Do you meekly accept poor service all the time?

Maybe read the post I quoted again.

DH would sooner suffer in silence when given fries instead of potatoes or his sushi is a stodgy lump and I just don’t understand it. He also gets annoyed when I complain about incorrect orders I said that would annoy me. How you got from that I accept bad service meekly, I'm not sure.

But rest assured, I don't.