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To think getting less than 50% of your pay is crazy?

342 replies

rampe · 08/10/2024 15:51

If someone earns £15,000 a month. They have a student loan. They pay in 10% into their pension.
They take home less than £7,000 a month.

OP posts:
Frowningprovidence · 08/10/2024 16:10

I actually agree that taxing people such a big percent of their money, they earned is not good. The whole point of a percentage is the more you earn the more you pay, regardless of tax bands.

But a pension isn't a tax its an investment into your own future.

And a student loan is a loan that presumably if you are earning that much, you do actually pay the loan off in a shortish time. Like 4 /5 years?

The student loans are worse for mid rate earners where they pay 9% of their salary for their whole career.

Viviennemary · 08/10/2024 16:09

Boo hoo.

randomchap · 08/10/2024 16:09

Overpayment · 08/10/2024 16:01

Yes, that would be such a good thing for the coffers of the country. Honestly, are people really this dim?

OK, if you want a more serious answer

The only reason that anyone can earn money is that there is a society around them that enables this. road/rail network, healthcare, police, education etc is all paid out of taxes.

There is absolutely no way someone earning 15k per month isn't relying on those services supplied by the government whether directly or indirectly.

If you believe you can earn this money without any of this society around you, please tell me what you do, I'd be really interested to know.

Tax is essentially the money you pay to live in a civilised society that allows you to earn.

Anonym00se · 08/10/2024 16:09

doodleschnoodle · 08/10/2024 15:56

Why are you including pension in money that is being 'taken off' them?

Probably in the same way that higher earners don’t pay for their own care, they have their homes “seized by the Government!”. Or their income is “raided” when they pay tax.

mynameiscalypso · 08/10/2024 16:08

Why is it crazy? Leaving aside the student loan, you can choose to make a lower pension contribution if you want. But I also think higher earners should pay more tax.

Laszlomydarling · 08/10/2024 16:06

Bad idea posting this during a cost of living crisis when some people are working for 15k per year never mind per month.

Yes it's completely fair to have to pay back a loan at the agreed amount you sign up for. And 7k per month leftover is a very high amount.

mitogoshigg · 08/10/2024 16:06

The pension is still theirs! Paying off the loan won't take long either. It's fine

Billydavey · 08/10/2024 16:05

Overpayment · 08/10/2024 16:03

Graduates already pay for it in the form of higher tax brackets over the course of their lives.

They’re effectively getting double charged.

No the higher bands are reflective of a higher salary and fair (it’s argued) for all people earning that.

paying back a student loan is totally different

MounjaroUser · 08/10/2024 16:05

How could anyone get to earn that much money without understanding how the tax system works?

ChocolateLemsip · 08/10/2024 16:04

Overpayment · 08/10/2024 16:03

Graduates already pay for it in the form of higher tax brackets over the course of their lives.

They’re effectively getting double charged.

I've never paid a higher income tax bracket. Not have many others

Billydavey · 08/10/2024 16:04

Overpayment · 08/10/2024 15:58

I agree OP, these are typically the people who generate jobs for others too, look at the thanks they get.

Losing your personal allowance is an additional delight.

The personal allowance loss means high tax at that banding, agree

but the op is complaining about pension (which is a form of savings) and repaying a loan! That’s ridiculous

yes discuss the tax for high earners but complaining about what’s left AFTER YOUVE SAVED SOME is never a sensible place to start

MoneyAndPercentages · 08/10/2024 16:04

YANBU. I understand it's necessary for the greater good, but it stings. Especially forking over that much when the country is in the state it's in now!

Though points above are very valid though. Pension are savings for your future, and no one held a gun to your head to go to Uni and get a degree.

WhatWouldPhylissCraneDo · 08/10/2024 16:03

This reminds me of a woman I knew who moaned her and her DP were skint because he put £1k pcm into wedding savings. £1k pcm into deposit to buy a house savings and £1k pcm into general savings. Plus whatever into his pension. They rented in a posh part of London and she was a student. Meanwhile I was a single parent student living on TCs. She couldn't understand why I didn't think they were skint.

Overpayment · 08/10/2024 16:03

ChocolateLemsip · 08/10/2024 16:02

I don't see how student finance comes into it. You choose to go to Uni, you pay for it. Ditto pension, it's money Extremely well spent and you won't be in penury in your old age. Do I agree with the 40 percent tax band? Yeah absolutely.

Graduates already pay for it in the form of higher tax brackets over the course of their lives.

They’re effectively getting double charged.

taxguru · 08/10/2024 16:03

ClareCottage · 08/10/2024 15:58

I’m going to buck the trend and say I agree. I don’t earn anywhere near that but objectively regardless of how much you earn it is crazy that you would only take home less than half your salary.

I am trying to reduce my hours because am on a tax borderline and the increase in tax just isn’t worth the extra hours I’m working.

I agree too!

It's figures like the OP has posted which "encourages" people to reduce their working hours, go part time, take early retirement etc. Just the opposite to the behaviour the country needs in view of the skills/staff shortages, especially at higher levels, i.e. GPs etc.

TickingAlongNicely · 08/10/2024 16:02

5he UK has no where near the highest tax rate in Europe. It can be as high as 67% in Finland for example.

ChocolateLemsip · 08/10/2024 16:02

I don't see how student finance comes into it. You choose to go to Uni, you pay for it. Ditto pension, it's money Extremely well spent and you won't be in penury in your old age. Do I agree with the 40 percent tax band? Yeah absolutely.

Overpayment · 08/10/2024 16:01

randomchap · 08/10/2024 15:59

Feel free to earn less to pay less tax...

Yes, that would be such a good thing for the coffers of the country. Honestly, are people really this dim?

AllCatsAreAutistic · 08/10/2024 16:00

Presumably this person could get a minimum wage job instead.

BananaGrapeMelon · 08/10/2024 16:00

OP, you do realise that paying into a pension is just a form of saving money, yes? You're saving the money for your own future, not giving it away!

Hellospooky · 08/10/2024 16:00

Christ! I don’t earn that in a year!

WiserOlderElf · 08/10/2024 15:59

Overpayment · 08/10/2024 15:58

I agree OP, these are typically the people who generate jobs for others too, look at the thanks they get.

Losing your personal allowance is an additional delight.

I agree on the personal allowance, but is it really an issue that they have to pay back their student loan and choose to put a lot of money into their pension? There’s nothing unfair there.

randomchap · 08/10/2024 15:59

Feel free to earn less to pay less tax...

doodleschnoodle · 08/10/2024 15:59

If they want more take-home, they can simply stop paying into their pension. But of course they won't do that because being able to put that much money into your pension is a very good thing 🤷‍♀️ Student loan is a temporary thing and at £15,000 a month, I doubt it will be long before it's paid off.

Is it the tax rate that you're really complaining about without saying as much? Because that's actually discussion worthy.

Overpayment · 08/10/2024 15:58

I agree OP, these are typically the people who generate jobs for others too, look at the thanks they get.

Losing your personal allowance is an additional delight.