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Not allowing heavily pregnant woman to use a loo

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pelvicfloorisnomore · 08/10/2024 10:38

I’m imminently due my third baby and have a massive bump. Popped to the local coop post school run and as I was checking out was desperate for the loo. My pelvic floor is pretty shot from previous 2 kids, the baby had dropped during the school run walk so I was feeling like I could not wait. The store was empty bar a couple of pensioners. I asked if I could use the staff loo as desperate, there are no other loos nearby and I was unlikely to make it the half a mile home in time. The member of staff said no against policy and I soiled myself before I even made it the front door of the shop. Completely humiliating and had to walk home like that and could have been avoided if a little kindness shown.

AIBU to expect some flexibility in branch policy to accommodate for those in need? It hardly fits with the coop key value of caring for others.

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Needmorelego · 08/10/2024 18:15

@wombat15 you seem obsessed with the insurance thing.
Why?

eggandonion · 08/10/2024 18:14

Perhaps this was the first time op had been in such dire need..and didn't realise that wearing pretty incontinence pants would be a good move?

ilovesooty · 08/10/2024 18:12

wombat15 · 08/10/2024 18:02

There is no insurance issue. Just a lot of jobsworths on this thread

"Jobsworths" to point out that employees don't create the policies but might lose their jobs if they breach the policy?

herecomesautumn · 08/10/2024 18:09

What a lot of fuss

I have a very dodgy bladder and have taken to wearing tena pads when I'm out

Couldn't you do this OP?

Staff toilets are for staff.

cryinglaughing · 08/10/2024 18:07

YABU

KnottedTwine · 08/10/2024 18:06

wombat15 · 08/10/2024 18:02

There is no insurance issue. Just a lot of jobsworths on this thread

But that is literally the meaning of "jobsworth". It's more than my job's worth. So if I let you do X, I will lose my job, and therefore my job is worth more to me than doing that thing is to you.

bringmorewashing · 08/10/2024 18:04

How horrible for you OP, and I can't believe the nasty and condescending comments on here. Maybe it wasn't practically possible to let you use the loo for whatever reason, but hiding behind "policy" was very cold of them. What about basic human decency?

wombat15 · 08/10/2024 18:02

grannypants22 · 08/10/2024 17:45

Some cunty comments of the highest order on this thread.
Yes insurance, bla bla bla. There is a reasonable explanation for it but to stick the boot into the op when she's had such a horrible experience is vile.
Having had urgency issues in the past I know only too well the sheer panic of needing the loo and not being able to access one and knowing that if you don't find somewhere quick you're going to be in a horrible, humiliating situation.
Some of you have clearly had a huge empathy bypass.

There is no insurance issue. Just a lot of jobsworths on this thread

Areolaborealis · 08/10/2024 18:01

If it makes you feel any better I once flooded the floor while standing at Sainsbury's checkout. Turns out it was a UTI with the only symptom being sudden and complete loss of bladder control.

I now shop at Asda.

eggandonion · 08/10/2024 17:46

In almost 30 years of working in retail...not food or clothing...I have never been told that under no circumstances should a customer be allowed a trip to the toilet for insurance reasons.
I can send people to the pub opposite. Or if a child or pregnant woman looks desperate I can use my discretion.
It happens very seldom, and mostly it is a toddler doing the dance they do.
I live in a small town and know all the toilets and bushes, as a pp said...I have 3 kids. Lidl staff are very helpful, which is counter intuitive. Our local community centre has a lot of 'for customer use only ' signs despite being beside a playground.
I'm actually pretty horrified at a lot of negativity towards op.

grannypants22 · 08/10/2024 17:45

Some cunty comments of the highest order on this thread.
Yes insurance, bla bla bla. There is a reasonable explanation for it but to stick the boot into the op when she's had such a horrible experience is vile.
Having had urgency issues in the past I know only too well the sheer panic of needing the loo and not being able to access one and knowing that if you don't find somewhere quick you're going to be in a horrible, humiliating situation.
Some of you have clearly had a huge empathy bypass.

Nightsleeper129 · 08/10/2024 17:44

Cattenberg · 08/10/2024 17:41

I recently rode on an vintage tourist tram, and the driver gave us a commentary on the sights. When we stopped at an old rural station, the tram driver pointed out a small wrought iron structure which turned out to be a Victorian urinal. He explained that there were no toilet facilities for women as Victorian women apparently didn’t need such things!

I’m not sure what the rationale was there. Were women expected to hold it, to give the illusion of having no bodily functions? Were they supposed to stay at home, except for a short daily stroll, perhaps? Or did some Victorian men honestly believe that women were mechanised dollies?

https://www.historic-uk.com/CultureUK/History-of-Womens-Public-Toilets-in-Britain/

The History of Women's Public Toilets in Britain - Historic UK

In Victorian Britain, most public toilets were designed for men and there were very few women's toilets available. Therefore women could never travel far, only to family and friends. This restriction of women's movements is often referred to as the ‘ur...

https://www.historic-uk.com/CultureUK/History-of-Womens-Public-Toilets-in-Britain

Nightsleeper129 · 08/10/2024 17:41

NeedToChangeName · 08/10/2024 10:42

I sympathise, must have been awful, but I wouldn't criticise the shop for this

We should have more public toilets

This

RedHelenB · 08/10/2024 17:41

Was very grateful coming out of covid era that a young man allowed me to use Asda loo when i was desperate. But if he'd said no I'd have understood Our local co op would let us, but then they know all the customers

Cattenberg · 08/10/2024 17:41

PonkyPonky · 08/10/2024 15:25

This just highlights the desperate need for more public toilets. Even one loo in every town centre would make a massive difference. I’m not incontinent but since having children I have to plan not to have anything to drink if I’m going anywhere without a loo! Women are disproportionately affected by the lack of public toilets so nobody in charge really cares

I recently rode on an vintage tourist tram, and the driver gave us a commentary on the sights. When we stopped at an old rural station, the tram driver pointed out a small wrought iron structure which turned out to be a Victorian urinal. He explained that there were no toilet facilities for women as Victorian women apparently didn’t need such things!

I’m not sure what the rationale was there. Were women expected to hold it, to give the illusion of having no bodily functions? Were they supposed to stay at home, except for a short daily stroll, perhaps? Or did some Victorian men honestly believe that women were mechanised dollies?

Fluufer · 08/10/2024 17:39

Anyone who has worked in places with public toilets, will well understand why smaller shops don't want their toilets being used by the public. The general public are disgusting, and stupid. Amongst other reasons of course.

stichguru · 08/10/2024 17:38

One of those things where legally there is no flexibility. They only had a staff toilet, you aren't staff so they wouldn't have had the insurance for you to use their loo. They were right to say no. In fact, it would possibly have been illegal for them to say yes. If they had had a customer toilet, and said no to a pregnant women who wasn't a customer, that would have been mean, but not letting you use the staff loo was 100% the correct response.

IcedPurple · 08/10/2024 17:36

Monday55 · 08/10/2024 17:23

If it's an insurance issue, can't they create waver cards that a customer can sign to say "if i get injured, I take full responsibility etc etc,"

Which involves time and hassle for staff who likely have better things to do.

TheWrongBus · 08/10/2024 17:36

Monday55 · 08/10/2024 17:23

If it's an insurance issue, can't they create waver cards that a customer can sign to say "if i get injured, I take full responsibility etc etc,"

Nope.
You cannot lawfully exclude liability for personal injury or death.

LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway · 08/10/2024 17:35

MikeRafone · 08/10/2024 17:05

exactly, this is now again the world we live in, much like dickens England were the poor were feckless and woman just don't matter - don't show any compassion or else they might want more

ffs the lack of compassion for other woman is awful, and it is a female issue. But of course because its a female issue town planners, insurance don't give a flying fig

What a ludicrously over-dramatic post. 🙄

Needmorelego · 08/10/2024 17:31

My local Co op often has to temporary close when a delivery arrives because there will literally be one member of staff working.
I think a lot of people don't realise how few staff are actually working in these small shops.
Can you imagine the AIBU threads if the co op closed every time they let someone use the toilet (and needs to be accompanied to the back shop)?

MattSmithsBowTie · 08/10/2024 17:29

Monday55 · 08/10/2024 17:23

If it's an insurance issue, can't they create waver cards that a customer can sign to say "if i get injured, I take full responsibility etc etc,"

No, and it sounds like I’m the time it would’ve taken to do that it would be too late anyway. Plus it’s not just an insurance issue, it’s a staffing issue, perhaps the toilets aren’t easily accessible from the shop floor, perhaps they’ve had people use this tactic to steal or distract staff so their accomplice can steal before, perhaps they’ve had people go in and smear shit on the walls or use drugs before.

It’s a shame it happened but it’s not the shop’s issue to solve, they didn’t refuse to give first aid or call an ambulance, of course it’s not nice to wet yourself but you go home, shower have a little cry and get on with your life.

ahemfem · 08/10/2024 17:25

Monday55 · 08/10/2024 17:23

If it's an insurance issue, can't they create waver cards that a customer can sign to say "if i get injured, I take full responsibility etc etc,"

No because if they are desperate for the loo they wouldn't have time to read and consider the contents of the form

wombat15 · 08/10/2024 17:24

Monday55 · 08/10/2024 17:23

If it's an insurance issue, can't they create waver cards that a customer can sign to say "if i get injured, I take full responsibility etc etc,"

It's not an insurance issue.

Whyhaveibeencutoutofmamsnot · 08/10/2024 17:24

It is possible that the staff toilets may have been inaccessible due to narrow corridors and stock. I have worked in stores where the staff toilets are on the second floor, the stairs have been very uneven or upstairs across a roof.