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Not allowing heavily pregnant woman to use a loo

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pelvicfloorisnomore · 08/10/2024 10:38

I’m imminently due my third baby and have a massive bump. Popped to the local coop post school run and as I was checking out was desperate for the loo. My pelvic floor is pretty shot from previous 2 kids, the baby had dropped during the school run walk so I was feeling like I could not wait. The store was empty bar a couple of pensioners. I asked if I could use the staff loo as desperate, there are no other loos nearby and I was unlikely to make it the half a mile home in time. The member of staff said no against policy and I soiled myself before I even made it the front door of the shop. Completely humiliating and had to walk home like that and could have been avoided if a little kindness shown.

AIBU to expect some flexibility in branch policy to accommodate for those in need? It hardly fits with the coop key value of caring for others.

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InterIgnis · 10/10/2024 13:27

wombat15 · 10/10/2024 13:16

If you insist in hyperbole, perhaps you would lose your job for refusing to help the pregnant women leading to urine all over the floor which an elderly person then slipped on and was hospitalised. Not exactly good publicity for the company you work for.

Presumably they immediately cordoned off that area and cleaned the urine, so no, unless they violated health and safety protocols by ignoring it, they would not at risk of losing their job because they followed company policy.

wombat15 · 10/10/2024 13:26

Needmorelego · 10/10/2024 13:19

@wombat15 because as this thread has shown many people have issues - the "Can't Wait" card has been mentioned several times.
You do it for one pregnant woman and then word gets round and then it's her pregnant friends asking, people with the 'can't wait' cards, old fellas with iffy prostrates, toddlers......and so on and on.

Oh yes, I am sure the word will get around the neighbourhood that a heavily pregnant woman was once allowed to use the toilet and pregnant women will be queuing en mass to use the toilet too. 😂

Fluufer · 10/10/2024 13:24

AW24 · 10/10/2024 13:16

@Fluufer
I 100% would stake my job in the CoOp to give another human some common decency- 100% would.
Would rather feel bad for helping someone than feel bad for not.

Is that speaking from experience? Or purely hypothetical world where you have no responsibilities and a new job ready and waiting?

AW24 · 10/10/2024 13:21

Needmorelego · 10/10/2024 13:12

@AW24 going by what the OP said she wouldn't have actually made it to the staff toilet anyway.
I have big sympathy for her. I too have "issues" with needing a toilet quickly. But I just know that I can't ask to use non public toilets in shops or any other business.

True but this thread has spiralled out of control, grown arms and legs now and is no longer about the op, seems to be more about arguing with people that have a different opinion 😩
Instead of writing your opinion and leave it.

Any way, I'm only off night duty and quite clearly not in the mood so rather than offend anyone else, I'll leave you all to it 🤘

Have a lovely day guys.

Needmorelego · 10/10/2024 13:19

@wombat15 because as this thread has shown many people have issues - the "Can't Wait" card has been mentioned several times.
You do it for one pregnant woman and then word gets round and then it's her pregnant friends asking, people with the 'can't wait' cards, old fellas with iffy prostrates, toddlers......and so on and on.

AW24 · 10/10/2024 13:16

@Fluufer
I 100% would stake my job in the CoOp to give another human some common decency- 100% would.
Would rather feel bad for helping someone than feel bad for not.

wombat15 · 10/10/2024 13:16

Fluufer · 10/10/2024 13:12

Would you stake your job on that principle though? Maybe you're a far better person than me, but I wouldn't.

If you insist in hyperbole, perhaps you would lose your job for refusing to help the pregnant women leading to urine all over the floor which an elderly person then slipped on and was hospitalised. Not exactly good publicity for the company you work for.

wombat15 · 10/10/2024 13:13

Needmorelego · 10/10/2024 13:04

@wombat15 yes but the "occasional" person can easily turn into dozens a day.

Why would it? You are being ridiculous.

Fluufer · 10/10/2024 13:12

AW24 · 10/10/2024 13:07

If someone / staff member is trained on all the risks that come with making your way to the toilet through a loading bay, is with this said member of the public, then said member of the public that is pregnant and wetting themselves is also safe. Unless they start doing the highland jig infront of fast moving machinery.

my point is, there is a way around it. There always is. Though common human decency is a thing of the past.
Insurance, only required if there’s an accident and if staff member is safety conscious then all individuals will be ok. Before anyone says, who minds The shop, who minds it when you go??

I would NEVER, I mean NEVER let anyone wet themselves!! Let alone a heavily 🤰 woman.
that’s inhumane. so Before any one says, so you would put them in danger taking them to the toilet, no, I wouldn’t, cause if there were any dangers, I’d of been trained on them, if I was a good employee I would have listened and therefore can safely escort heavily pregnant lady to toilet to avoid her the total humiliation of wetting herself in the shop 🤘🤰💓

that’s all I have to say.

edited to say- how safe is it if an elderly lady through the door and slides in the wet puddle the pregnant lady left cause she couldn’t safely get to toilet.
broken hip, hospitalised for weeks. 🤔

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Would you stake your job on that principle though? Maybe you're a far better person than me, but I wouldn't.

Needmorelego · 10/10/2024 13:12

@AW24 going by what the OP said she wouldn't have actually made it to the staff toilet anyway.
I have big sympathy for her. I too have "issues" with needing a toilet quickly. But I just know that I can't ask to use non public toilets in shops or any other business.

AW24 · 10/10/2024 13:07

Tdcp · 10/10/2024 09:15

Our toilets are through a loading bay, it is not safe for the general public to be in the loading bay and it is against our insurance policy to have members of the public in the loading bay. It is safe for staff because we are trained on the risks such as forklift trucks / pallet trucks being used for one example. Just because something is not safe for the public it doesn't mean it's not safe for staff.

If someone / staff member is trained on all the risks that come with making your way to the toilet through a loading bay, is with this said member of the public, then said member of the public that is pregnant and wetting themselves is also safe. Unless they start doing the highland jig infront of fast moving machinery.

my point is, there is a way around it. There always is. Though common human decency is a thing of the past.
Insurance, only required if there’s an accident and if staff member is safety conscious then all individuals will be ok. Before anyone says, who minds The shop, who minds it when you go??

I would NEVER, I mean NEVER let anyone wet themselves!! Let alone a heavily 🤰 woman.
that’s inhumane. so Before any one says, so you would put them in danger taking them to the toilet, no, I wouldn’t, cause if there were any dangers, I’d of been trained on them, if I was a good employee I would have listened and therefore can safely escort heavily pregnant lady to toilet to avoid her the total humiliation of wetting herself in the shop 🤘🤰💓

that’s all I have to say.

edited to say- how safe is it if an elderly lady through the door and slides in the wet puddle the pregnant lady left cause she couldn’t safely get to toilet.
broken hip, hospitalised for weeks. 🤔

Needmorelego · 10/10/2024 13:04

@Errors do you or have you ever worked in a small convenience store?

Needmorelego · 10/10/2024 13:04

@wombat15 yes but the "occasional" person can easily turn into dozens a day.

Errors · 10/10/2024 13:03

Seriously?! 26 pages of discussion!! Of course they’re out of order not letting a heavily pregnant woman use the toilet FFS

Fluufer · 10/10/2024 13:03

wombat15 · 10/10/2024 12:55

They would be accompanied. Not all employees are young and fit.🙄

And if I accompany a pregnant lady to the toilet, who is watching the shop floor? If the previous shift left stuff in the corridor, who's fault is it when the pregnant lady trips over? If the toilet is gross and she complains? Any number of possibilities, all the while, knowing that I am not allowed to be doing it.
Obviously i don't know which 100s of shops you may have worked in, or in what capacity, but it certainly isn't representative of retail as a whole.

wombat15 · 10/10/2024 13:02

bifurCAT · 10/10/2024 12:58

The thing is, where would you draw the line? If they let a pregnant lady in, they'd have to let a disabled person in. If they let them in, then an old person. If them, then why not someone who really needs to go?

A blanket policy is actually fairer than bending the rules once.

Imagine the news if they let you in, and then an old lady wet herself because they said she was less worthy of their loo than you. This place discriminates against old people!

They can draw the line where they think it sensible to draw the line. It's very rare for anyone to ask.

wombat15 · 10/10/2024 12:59

Boxoo · 10/10/2024 12:41

Often people will say that rather than give a reason as people will try to override that reason.

"Sorry I can't because there isn't enough staff."

"Why does that matter?"

"Someone needs to accompany you."

"You don't need to accompany me. I'm not going to steal anything am I?? Are you accusing me of being a thief???"

"It's also not safe due to it being through the warehouse."

"I'll be careful though. I'm not going to fall over. I'm not an idiot. Just let me go. I'll be fine."

And so on and so on

People often advise on here not to give an actual reason for saying no as people will try and get round the reason with their own reasons why the other person should.

How would you know what people will do.

bifurCAT · 10/10/2024 12:58

The thing is, where would you draw the line? If they let a pregnant lady in, they'd have to let a disabled person in. If they let them in, then an old person. If them, then why not someone who really needs to go?

A blanket policy is actually fairer than bending the rules once.

Imagine the news if they let you in, and then an old lady wet herself because they said she was less worthy of their loo than you. This place discriminates against old people!

wombat15 · 10/10/2024 12:57

Needmorelego · 10/10/2024 12:48

@wombat15 out of curiosity where are you drawing the line at businesses happily letting random people in to use staff toilets?
The local bus depot? A lawyers office? Recycling plant?

I am talking about the occasional person with medical needs use the toilet if accompanied, not every random member of the public.🙄

wombat15 · 10/10/2024 12:55

Fluufer · 10/10/2024 12:48

Dangerous for a young fit employee, and dangerous for a heavily pregnant stranger who doesn't know the environment are two different things.
Good for you if you've only ever worked in well managed, adequately staffed shops, but it's not always reality.

They would be accompanied. Not all employees are young and fit.🙄

Fluufer · 10/10/2024 12:48

wombat15 · 10/10/2024 10:55

Not always ideal but I haven't worked anywhere where it is dangerous to go to the toilet.

Dangerous for a young fit employee, and dangerous for a heavily pregnant stranger who doesn't know the environment are two different things.
Good for you if you've only ever worked in well managed, adequately staffed shops, but it's not always reality.

Needmorelego · 10/10/2024 12:48

@wombat15 out of curiosity where are you drawing the line at businesses happily letting random people in to use staff toilets?
The local bus depot? A lawyers office? Recycling plant?

Boxoo · 10/10/2024 12:41

wombat15 · 10/10/2024 12:31

She said it was against policy which suggests they wouldn't help on principle even if they could.

Often people will say that rather than give a reason as people will try to override that reason.

"Sorry I can't because there isn't enough staff."

"Why does that matter?"

"Someone needs to accompany you."

"You don't need to accompany me. I'm not going to steal anything am I?? Are you accusing me of being a thief???"

"It's also not safe due to it being through the warehouse."

"I'll be careful though. I'm not going to fall over. I'm not an idiot. Just let me go. I'll be fine."

And so on and so on

People often advise on here not to give an actual reason for saying no as people will try and get round the reason with their own reasons why the other person should.

wombat15 · 10/10/2024 12:31

Needmorelego · 10/10/2024 12:11

@wombat15 to be honest the OP said "staff member" giving the impression there was just the one.
I would have thought "Sorry no I can't take you" would be explanation enough. What else would the member of staff need to say?

She said it was against policy which suggests they wouldn't help on principle even if they could.

Needmorelego · 10/10/2024 12:11

@wombat15 to be honest the OP said "staff member" giving the impression there was just the one.
I would have thought "Sorry no I can't take you" would be explanation enough. What else would the member of staff need to say?