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Not allowing heavily pregnant woman to use a loo

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pelvicfloorisnomore · 08/10/2024 10:38

I’m imminently due my third baby and have a massive bump. Popped to the local coop post school run and as I was checking out was desperate for the loo. My pelvic floor is pretty shot from previous 2 kids, the baby had dropped during the school run walk so I was feeling like I could not wait. The store was empty bar a couple of pensioners. I asked if I could use the staff loo as desperate, there are no other loos nearby and I was unlikely to make it the half a mile home in time. The member of staff said no against policy and I soiled myself before I even made it the front door of the shop. Completely humiliating and had to walk home like that and could have been avoided if a little kindness shown.

AIBU to expect some flexibility in branch policy to accommodate for those in need? It hardly fits with the coop key value of caring for others.

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lateatwork · 08/10/2024 14:25

pelvicfloorisnomore · 08/10/2024 13:10

@GreyCarpet

Because I imagine that the reason that the staff member didn’t help today was not because she didn’t want to. I imagine she was worried about the consequences she would personally face by helping another individual in need.

If coop truly wanted to embody it’s values, then there would be a culture where a staff member going above and beyond to care for others would be praiseworthy rather than punishable.

Absolutely this.

And I'm sure those saying 'but it's a rule not to...' will know about all the reasons not to show a regular customer the way to the staff loo.... But have a little think about why it would have been the right call.

iloveeverykindofcat · 08/10/2024 14:23

Its not the staff's fault, you really can't expect people in service positions to bend the rule for you. They can't. They could be fired. There are usually legal and insurance reasons. My friend was telling me about the stress she had on a summer job at an amusement park, on a children's ride. Every single day there would be parents expecting her to bend the rules for some reason specific to their child who was slightly over the height limit, and either incredibly disappointed or outright enraged that she could "be a bit flexible" or "show some understanding" in that particular case. Its because the rides are insured and safety certified for riders up to a certain height only. 1) Your child's safety would not be guaranteed 2) It's literally illegal and absolutely a sackable offence.

ChungKing · 08/10/2024 14:22

djfjfj · 08/10/2024 14:20

It wasn’t on the ground floor, and it’s a trek to get up there, so the lady wasn’t just passing by the store and seeing a toilet inside on the ground floor and taking advantage. If she was on the street there would be closer toilets elsewhere. They were right near the toilets so the staff member could have opened the door for her. I was with my DM and she was also shocked by it; the staff member was not even apologetic. I’m pretty sure she wouldn’t have lost her job over showing compassion for a lady clearly in need.

You'd hope not, but having worked retail as a student, I can tell you that a lot of managers are petty tyrants who would absolutely fire staff for this kind of thing! That's why I'll never blame the staff for saying no.

It does seem particularly harsh in this case, but you just don't know what management are like or how worried the employee might have been about her job!

djfjfj · 08/10/2024 14:20

ChungKing · 08/10/2024 13:32

That was because I thought it was a public toilet that anyone was allowed to use but the employee just wouldn't hand the code over! You do get some petty people like that occassionally.

Now that I know it's a customer-only toilet then I completely understand why they would not give the code. Like I said, my reading comprehension failed me, and I've been arguing throughout this thread that it's not the staff's fault if policy doesn't allow them to let people use the loos.

It wasn’t on the ground floor, and it’s a trek to get up there, so the lady wasn’t just passing by the store and seeing a toilet inside on the ground floor and taking advantage. If she was on the street there would be closer toilets elsewhere. They were right near the toilets so the staff member could have opened the door for her. I was with my DM and she was also shocked by it; the staff member was not even apologetic. I’m pretty sure she wouldn’t have lost her job over showing compassion for a lady clearly in need.

AgainandagainandagainSS · 08/10/2024 14:20

Nothing but sympathy from me OP. My very elderly late gran was on diuretics for her heart and more than once we had to ask for 'help' as you did. I am so sorry about what happened to you.

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 08/10/2024 14:18

Soñando25 · 08/10/2024 14:11

Well, for what it's worth I would have let you use the staff toilet regardless of any rules.

Do that at the place I work and the op would have likely ended up injured. The toilets are at the far end of the warehouse and it's chaos. We have to know what we are doing and be alert at all times, 9am on a morning while stock is still sat on pallets is crazy. I'm not even sure a heavily pregnant woman would fit through the gaps. I know I can't always

Packetofcrispsplease · 08/10/2024 14:17

The lack of decent facilities for the public in some places drives me mad 😠.
I am older and a mum of 3 adult daughters
One has disabilities and sometimes doesn’t recognise the need to go till absolutely the last minute ( interoception) and we try to manage this as best we can .
Another daughter so needs to be able to get her little one to a loo quickly now and other daughter has IBD .
The of times I’ve raced into a cafe and ordered a takeaway drink just to use their loo is ridiculous.
The nearest Tesco ( medium size )closed its public loos because of vandalism 😩
Where we live is a very small town with no public loos but we have gone into a particular community cafe / store to use their loos .

sparkellie · 08/10/2024 14:14

pelvicfloorisnomore · 08/10/2024 13:32

@easylikeasundaymorn

Not suggested at any point that the the front line staff should put their livelihood at risk. I am talking about the company culture. As a company, if you are going to nail to the mast that the key value of your business is “caring for others” and “social responsibility” then I would expect that to be backed io by senior management when managing shopfloor staff who exercised their discretion to help so am someone . Otherwise they should perhaps change their headline values to caring for others & social responsibility (small print: unless it conflicts with our insurance providers t&cs).

So you think that senior management should be forcing staff to accompany customers to the staff toilets on request? That would be an incredibly stupid policy. What happens when that 'customer' pulls a knife and demands access to the safe? Or a male staff member is accused of sexual assault? Maybe you haven't read all the replies (I know there are a lot) but others have pointed out that not only is there a health and safety risk to you, but there is a security risk to staff. I'm sorry you were caught short, but it is absolutely not OK to put other people at risk because you are upset about that.

Alcedo · 08/10/2024 14:12

ThisHangryPinkBalonz · 08/10/2024 10:39

Lots of stores have this policy, I'm on water tablets and even have a card to confirm the urgency but I wouldn't expect them to bend the rules to me. Unfortunately, you need to plan better.

It's not the store's fault but silly to tell the OP to "plan better" in this situation.

wombat15 · 08/10/2024 14:12

MartinCrieffsLemon · 08/10/2024 13:41

A chemist might have different insurance. The way to the toilet might not involve going through the area with controlled drugs (and if it did involve it then there's no way randoms would be allowed through it). They don't tend to have huge, heavy boxes of stock and potentially even machinery out back....

And, lone working is partly an insurance issue...

No they don't have special insurance. If anything the drugs in the dispensary and back mean they have to be more careful not less careful than other shops to supervise people who are not in the main shop area.

Soñando25 · 08/10/2024 14:11

Well, for what it's worth I would have let you use the staff toilet regardless of any rules.

Imfreetofeelgood · 08/10/2024 14:11

It's not the staff's fault, but awful for you OP, hope you're OK.

ilovesooty · 08/10/2024 14:10

pelvicfloorisnomore · 08/10/2024 13:32

@easylikeasundaymorn

Not suggested at any point that the the front line staff should put their livelihood at risk. I am talking about the company culture. As a company, if you are going to nail to the mast that the key value of your business is “caring for others” and “social responsibility” then I would expect that to be backed io by senior management when managing shopfloor staff who exercised their discretion to help so am someone . Otherwise they should perhaps change their headline values to caring for others & social responsibility (small print: unless it conflicts with our insurance providers t&cs).

So you wouldn't have had an issue with it if it had been a different company? Have you contacted the CEO yet?

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Fluufer · 08/10/2024 14:09

followmyflow · 08/10/2024 14:05

seriously, they couldnt let a heavily pregnant and desperate woman use the loo? the member of staff could have escorted her, nothing bad would happen. bending the rules every so often with discretion is not going to cause big issues. there is a lack of humanity in the staff's response

When I worked retail, I wasn't not allowed to "bend the rules", ever. I would have lost my job if found out. Sorry, but that's not a chance I was going to take, nor is it something I would expect from a shop staff as a customer.

Viviennemary · 08/10/2024 14:09

It's unfortunate for you but they just don't allow it these days,

Sixteenandfourteen789 · 08/10/2024 14:09

MattSmithsBowTie · 08/10/2024 13:45

Because some people are arseholes and would use the excuse of being pregnant to get into the staff area and steal things/cause damage. It’s a supermarket, probably a small one if it’s a Co-op, it’s not a public toilet.

As you may have guessed I was talking more generally about allowing consumerism to thrive unfettered to the extent that pregnant women, elderly people,l and those with disabilities are discriminated against, and to the extent that it shapes our very infrastructure and town planning and the way society is structured. We have allowed this to happen!

wombat15 · 08/10/2024 14:08

PutOnYourRedShoesAndLetsDance · 08/10/2024 13:55

I have bowel and bladder incontinence.
I have a card l carry that says " just can't wait".
I've never ever been refused to use any stores toilets if they don't have a public one .
It's nothing to do with insurance.. because they accompy you and wait for you.
Might be too late now..but perhaps apply for a card.

https://www.bladderandbowel.org/help-information/just-cant-wait-card/

Absolutely. I have let people carrying those cards use the toilet and small children/pregnant women too. They are accompanied. It has nothing to do with insurance.

ThisHangryPinkBalonz · 08/10/2024 14:08

pelvicfloorisnomore · 08/10/2024 10:54

I tried to make it home. I made it as far as the front door of the shop. It was pretty humiliating.

I'm sorry, that must of been horrible for you. Maybe use a tena for the last part of your pregnancy.

I think you need a policeman's hat not blaming the Coop. 😉

coffeesaveslives · 08/10/2024 14:06

PutOnYourRedShoesAndLetsDance · 08/10/2024 13:55

I have bowel and bladder incontinence.
I have a card l carry that says " just can't wait".
I've never ever been refused to use any stores toilets if they don't have a public one .
It's nothing to do with insurance.. because they accompy you and wait for you.
Might be too late now..but perhaps apply for a card.

https://www.bladderandbowel.org/help-information/just-cant-wait-card/

It sounds like you've just been lucky and come across employees who are willing or able to bend the rules.

followmyflow · 08/10/2024 14:05

seriously, they couldnt let a heavily pregnant and desperate woman use the loo? the member of staff could have escorted her, nothing bad would happen. bending the rules every so often with discretion is not going to cause big issues. there is a lack of humanity in the staff's response

ThisHangryPinkBalonz · 08/10/2024 14:04

housethatbuiltme · 08/10/2024 11:25

You are aware the two things often go hand in hand right?

There are many condition you can develop as part of pregnancy that are disabling (sometimes even at risk of being fatal). Not everyone has healthy, smooth, uncomplicated pregnancies.

Disabilities do not have to be permanent of life long same way a broken leg is temporary but still debilitating. Not all disabilities are equal but temporary disabilities still require 'fair' compromise be made.

It is literally a protected characteristic along side disability.

That is not the issue here though as they likely cannot provide access for disabled people either.

I'm not saying those things don't exist, I'm saying OP hasn't mentioned a disability therefore most people would walk home and use the loo rather then go and buy milk and have an accident. I'm on water tablets and been pregnant and have never managed to have an accident and if I did, I wouldn't be blaming the Coop.

ThisHangryPinkBalonz · 08/10/2024 13:59

Showbel · 08/10/2024 12:23

Clearly you've never been pregnant or you'd understand how much stress it puts on a woman's body.

Twice actually. We see the same threads on here like pregnancy is a disability. Those saying they should be allowed to park in disabled spots or use the spaces on public transport, it's odd.

Differentstarts · 08/10/2024 13:56

pelvicfloorisnomore · 08/10/2024 11:38

I was trying to make it somewhere! I was already in the coop and clearly would not have made it as I did not make it out the coop!

The fact you didn't make it out of coop means you wouldn't of made it to the staff toilet anyway and probably pissed in the staff room, warehouse or on the stairs. The staff toilets would of been a lot further then the entrance/exit

PutOnYourRedShoesAndLetsDance · 08/10/2024 13:55

I have bowel and bladder incontinence.
I have a card l carry that says " just can't wait".
I've never ever been refused to use any stores toilets if they don't have a public one .
It's nothing to do with insurance.. because they accompy you and wait for you.
Might be too late now..but perhaps apply for a card.

https://www.bladderandbowel.org/help-information/just-cant-wait-card/

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ChungKing · 08/10/2024 13:51

Annabel28 · 08/10/2024 13:50

I still think there is a massive lack of creative thinking - yes, the individual options I listed off the top of my head all have pitfalls, but surely situations like this should be triggers for us to think is this really the kind of society we want to be or could we tweak things?

Insurance companies and fear of litigation haven't always wielded so much power over people and I'm not sure why this can't be challenged.

I agree, we do need to find more solutions to the public toilet situation, as I've said. I just don't think it's fair to be annoyed at shop staff because those solutions have not been put into place yet.