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To think Christmas at PILs is unsustainable?

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Jimot · 08/10/2024 09:50

There is a backstory here in that PILs moved to a two up two down cottage/terrace in a semi rural area in the COVID no stamp duty era. They previously lived in a bigger house much closer to us and liked to have people over. They are now an hour away. We tried to gently broach how their lifestyle was going to work with the house when they were planning the move but they didn't want to hear it. Since then we had DS and PILs have been resentful that we don't have them do regular childcare, and don't accept really that the logistics wouldn't work, I think they just believe I'm favouring my parents and being awkward. We see them roughly once a fortnight on average although they would say we don't bother seeing them enough.

The house is small. So is our house, so it's not about being snobby over it, but they seem to still want to host like they used to.
Recently MIL complained that she would offer to host an extended family get together but no one ever wants to drive out to see them, and DH said in the car in the way back how he wondered where they were planning on putting everyone if they did host. PIL like to have DH and I and DS plus SIL and her DH over at the same time. There aren't enough seats in the living room for the adults so someone needs to sit on the floor. DS already tends to end up banging his head on furniture when playing as there is very limited floor space. If we eat at the table in the kitchen folding chairs are needed and we all need to shuffle around with our backs against the wall. We tend to spend a weekend with them including an overnight to do Christmas together. This is already changing as when a baby DS would sleep in a double with us to stay over but now he just won't sleep in bed with us and there is no room to put a camp bed down.
Now SIL is expecting next year and I've found out I am too!
We were talking about Christmas and I said next year maybe we had better book a pub with a soft play to be able to accommodate us all, or maybe even go away somewhere after Xmas. MIL was absolutely spitting feathers, absolutely indignant that we would be having family Christmas at their house and began speaking about the extra furniture they're going to purchase. I didn't really say much else although I was thinking that this was really no solution. Maybe we will be able to bring folding highchairs next year and keep babies on laps but even so, soon enough there just literally won't be room to fit in 6 adults and 3 children. They already don't have a Christmas tree as there is no room for one.

So was I unreasonable in my assertion about pub or going away? I do feel a little guilty as I do realise they want all their family together but to me it doesn't matter what the location is. I already find it a bit uncomfortable at their house but I'm dreading next year as feel like we are going to be literally squished in thigh to thigh and I won't be able to relax trying to manage the kids not being trodden on.

I'm happy to be hit with it though if I'm just totally selfish! AIBU?

OP posts:
LookItsMeAgain · 08/10/2024 12:06

I don't know your financial status but would you be able to do something like the following -
Send out a message to Bil & SiL, PiL (plus anyone else that would normally be gathering under the one roof for Christmas Day dinner) and say "Hi folks - I won a little money on the national lottery (think Match 4 and the bonus, not the jackpot) so as a new family tradition, they have to start somewhere to become a tradition don't you know, I was thinking of spending £100 per family towards booking X location for Christmas Eve, Christmas Day and Boxing Day. This will be a once off where I'll be able to contribute but if it works out, it could become our new way to do Christmas. Families will have to make up the difference in the costs of this mini Christmas break and we'd work out food/drink if this plan was to go ahead. Look forward to hearing from you all on this suggestion"

The location that you'd include in the message would either be a hotel or some self catering location that has individual houses side by side so you could each rent a house/lodge and pop in to each other's houses over the three days. It would also mean that at the end of each day you could close and lock your front door to other relatives popping in and have a quiet night.

I've done a very quick search and while I know the price is a LOT for this place, it's more the photo that I'm going on where you can see several of these lodges located beside each other and you would each book your own lodge:
https://www.holidaycottages.co.uk/cottage/91728-wildflower-lodge-6?n=3&sd=24122024

Just a suggestion - I have no way of knowing how good/bad/indifferent that location is as I've never been. I'm purely looking at the layout and photo of the place as a suggestion to guide you.

FlingThatCarrot · 08/10/2024 12:00

saraclara · 08/10/2024 11:40

This is one of the reasons that older people are reluctant to downsize.

My greatest pleasure in life is hosting my family and extended family. If I downsize, that's yet another thing I lose, alongside all the memories that are bound up in my home of 35 years.

I don't blame you OP, and would feel the same. But I hope that MNers remember this when they can't understand why their parents aren't keen to downsize.

It's perfectly possible to downsize and still have hosting space. My older relatives have gone into a 2 bed bungalow but converted it to a 1 bed with a much larger reception room to entertain in. Its perfect as they've a lot of local family visiting a lot.

easylikeasundaymorn · 08/10/2024 12:00

I'd say make excuses this year because of pregnancy. Next year go. Make sure dc is hyped up and sugared. I'm sure after actually experiencing the reality of 9 people in their house they'll never suggest it again. Also if you do this make sure dh drives as you couldn't this year given pregnancy so even if it is a shit show you'll be too blotto to care.

Or, more sensibly, just accept that Christmas itself is a non-goer and if they want to host do something in the daytime with a buffet or whatever so you dont need to all sit down and, if dry can open up a door to the back garden for the kids, on 23rd 27th that you can go to and drive home afterwards or stay in a hotel overnight you'll consider that.

It's not demanding to want to spend Christmas not sitting on the floor, and, particularly for young kids, that is actually decorated for Christmas!

JohnCravensNewsround · 08/10/2024 11:55

Honestly, you are not wrong. That's the problem with doing the same thing year on year.
My oldest dds are now adults, one with a child. I am standing firm in my view that people should do what they want for Xmas, this year 1 dd is staying at home, 1 dd will likely turn up at some point.
Decide how you would like to do Christmas this year. Offer suitable suggestions for get togethers over the Xmas period ( an hour is hardly a long distance).
Stick to it.

Snugglemonkey · 08/10/2024 11:52

SBHon · 08/10/2024 10:09

Squeezing all in for Christmas is part of the fun I think.

It depends, there is squeezing and the is an uncomfortable nightmare.

GivingitToGod · 08/10/2024 11:51

SBHon · 08/10/2024 10:09

Squeezing all in for Christmas is part of the fun I think.

This. And they are your husband's parents and it is only for one or 2 days/nights.
No big deal

UnderstandablyDisappointed · 08/10/2024 11:48

I'd hoped the experience of COVID-19 lockdowns would have demonstrated that, for some people, it is less stressful and much more pleasant to stay at home for days like this.

saraclara · 08/10/2024 11:40

This is one of the reasons that older people are reluctant to downsize.

My greatest pleasure in life is hosting my family and extended family. If I downsize, that's yet another thing I lose, alongside all the memories that are bound up in my home of 35 years.

I don't blame you OP, and would feel the same. But I hope that MNers remember this when they can't understand why their parents aren't keen to downsize.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 08/10/2024 11:37

jolota · 08/10/2024 11:32

Your husband needs to be the one to have the frank conversation about logistics and maybe feign a back injury that means he can't sit on the floor and that you & SIL will be pregnant so can't sit on the floor etc
Tell him to ask exactly where the high chairs for the kids will fit etc.
Where exactly in the bedroom you can fit a cot for the child.
Don't let them fob you all off with 'it'll be fine, we'll squeeze' etc

I hate it when people say things like “well all squeeze in” - usually they’re the people who will be retaining their own bed and not squeezing at all.

In a busy Christmas household, people also need a retreat to just get a quick break and re-centre. A bit like a dog would need a retreat.

jolota · 08/10/2024 11:32

Your husband needs to be the one to have the frank conversation about logistics and maybe feign a back injury that means he can't sit on the floor and that you & SIL will be pregnant so can't sit on the floor etc
Tell him to ask exactly where the high chairs for the kids will fit etc.
Where exactly in the bedroom you can fit a cot for the child.
Don't let them fob you all off with 'it'll be fine, we'll squeeze' etc

Tel12 · 08/10/2024 11:31

WitchyBits · 08/10/2024 10:51

I recently moved from my massive 5 bed house into a 2 up 2 down with a stamp sized lean to kitchen. I did it knowing that my daughter was moving into my 5 bedroom house to give my grandkids a room each and she would be hosting all of the giant festive events that I have been in charge of for the last 25 years. That was 100% welcome by me as I've hosted 32 Christmases and catered the total cost..... then she announced that she's pregnant due on Xmas Eve and I've been informed it's now on me to go back to my old home , where I no longer live or have any of my own kitchen stuff, to cook Xmas dinner for 9 adults and 4 kids. And honestly they can not seem to understand why I don't want to. I moved out expressly so that I wasn't hosting anymore. I couldn't cope with a house that size and cooking for so many people on Christmas day, then doing a huge Boxing Day party not to mention that my sister and I do have been cooking take away roast dinners from home for disabled/pensioners/singles/low income locals for the last 5 years and that's 40-60 meals in Xmas Eve. It's all too much. I would be fuming in your shoes too op.

People are just so bloody entitled these days.

Don't do it! It's ridiculous to expect you to carry on. Explain that someone else will have to manage and you'll bring the crackers. First year my DS hosted he said that he didn't realise that it was such hard work as I made it look easy. Never did it again.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 08/10/2024 11:24

lochmaree · 08/10/2024 11:22

She asked me in private, so I'm thinking she's stirring 💩, it's a habit of hers and not the first time it's happened. So even more putting us off us going, but we'll miss seeing SILs and nephews.

Agreed it's ridiculous, height of cheekiness. Esp as we offered to host! Would rather cook (in my own home) than travel 😱

Can you get your husband to have a conversation with her about this and how inappropriate it is?

Shame you won’t see SIL and nephews - unless some sort of plan can be reached in which cooking is shared by all? With your DH making it very clear it won’t be switched to all you once you get there.

Icanttakethisanymore · 08/10/2024 11:24

DO they have money to hire a bigger house in a nice location for a family break over christmas? Then MIL can still play host if she wants but you can all get a seat at the table.

lochmaree · 08/10/2024 11:22

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 08/10/2024 11:18

What? Even if they didn’t want to cook, why not your husband - he’s their son!

But I don’t think anyone can have it both ways unless very exceptional circumstances - you either cook or travel, not both. And they don’t get to ship in a servant for the day!

She asked me in private, so I'm thinking she's stirring 💩, it's a habit of hers and not the first time it's happened. So even more putting us off us going, but we'll miss seeing SILs and nephews.

Agreed it's ridiculous, height of cheekiness. Esp as we offered to host! Would rather cook (in my own home) than travel 😱

Floralnomad · 08/10/2024 11:20

At a push I’d go for lunch on Boxing Day and drive home afterwards .

PassingStranger · 08/10/2024 11:18

Another reason to drop Christmas. See it every year the pressure the problems the brainwashing.
It's hardly enjoyable when you have to worry like this.
Just forget bloody Christmas.
All stay in your own homes. Just a other day.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 08/10/2024 11:18

lochmaree · 08/10/2024 11:10

Yeah this is really not fair! Even with the baby, I wouldn't expect you to cook!

It's the other way round with us, I am the DIL and we are supposed to be going in-laws for Christmas, we've got two small children and she's asked me to cook 😱 ALL meals for our stay, not just Christmas meal. And I said they should just come to us and we'd love to host and it was a firm definite NO. Outrageous!

What? Even if they didn’t want to cook, why not your husband - he’s their son!

But I don’t think anyone can have it both ways unless very exceptional circumstances - you either cook or travel, not both. And they don’t get to ship in a servant for the day!

Flossflower · 08/10/2024 11:16

Your MIL has probably had Christmas at her home for years. It is time for you to have yours. I really would advise against a pub lunch at Christmas for very young children. There are many courses. Each one takes an age to come.

TunnocksOrDeath · 08/10/2024 11:15

They're only an hour away. It takes me longer than that to get to work!
I'd drive over for the day and come home in the evening.
Just make sure one of you knows they're the designated driver, and stays completely sober.

EdgarAllenRaven · 08/10/2024 11:14

I agree that you can pop round for the lunch! Then drive home. No need to stay at all.

An hour is really not that far away, we used to do 90mins trips to see in-laws regularly every weekend (until we moved closer!)

Marblesbackagain · 08/10/2024 11:13

Slothfully · 08/10/2024 10:23

I think you could suck it up for a weekend once a year just to keep MIL happy (DC need to learn how to avoid hitting their heads on furniture! And to sleep where they're told).

But no way would someone dictate to me how to spend Xmas so YANBU - stick to your guns!

That's nice blame the children for not having adequate space to wobble as they do.

And I don't know if you have met a child but some of them have autonomy and very particular sleeping needs.

And unless the hosts are happy to do all nighter with the kids oh and the knock on week of interrupted sleeping whilst you know they work full time and be in sensible state to drive ? Id say YABVVVu

Mamasperspective · 08/10/2024 11:12

"MIL your home is too small to accommodate us as a family and we do not wish to do a 2 hour round trip in winter with LO and with me being pregnant. From now on we need to do what is best for our immediate family. For the sake of this year, we're happy to book accommodation elsewhere and have a mini holiday somewhere with you but I think it's important for you to manage your expectations with regards to holidays where our little family is concerned because things are different now to how they were before"

lochmaree · 08/10/2024 11:10

WitchyBits · 08/10/2024 10:51

I recently moved from my massive 5 bed house into a 2 up 2 down with a stamp sized lean to kitchen. I did it knowing that my daughter was moving into my 5 bedroom house to give my grandkids a room each and she would be hosting all of the giant festive events that I have been in charge of for the last 25 years. That was 100% welcome by me as I've hosted 32 Christmases and catered the total cost..... then she announced that she's pregnant due on Xmas Eve and I've been informed it's now on me to go back to my old home , where I no longer live or have any of my own kitchen stuff, to cook Xmas dinner for 9 adults and 4 kids. And honestly they can not seem to understand why I don't want to. I moved out expressly so that I wasn't hosting anymore. I couldn't cope with a house that size and cooking for so many people on Christmas day, then doing a huge Boxing Day party not to mention that my sister and I do have been cooking take away roast dinners from home for disabled/pensioners/singles/low income locals for the last 5 years and that's 40-60 meals in Xmas Eve. It's all too much. I would be fuming in your shoes too op.

People are just so bloody entitled these days.

Yeah this is really not fair! Even with the baby, I wouldn't expect you to cook!

It's the other way round with us, I am the DIL and we are supposed to be going in-laws for Christmas, we've got two small children and she's asked me to cook 😱 ALL meals for our stay, not just Christmas meal. And I said they should just come to us and we'd love to host and it was a firm definite NO. Outrageous!

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 08/10/2024 11:09

OP- you’re just going to have to be straight with your ILs and say no. This doesn’t work for us now we have DC.

Invite them to yours if you want to. Or just press ahead with the pub idea for those who want to go.

People have to realise that life moves on and things change!

Those saying squashing in is part of the fun - no! Only if you’re a massive extrovert and love constant company. Many people find it hell. Some people don’t enjoy anything without a proper sleep too.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 08/10/2024 11:06

WitchyBits · 08/10/2024 10:51

I recently moved from my massive 5 bed house into a 2 up 2 down with a stamp sized lean to kitchen. I did it knowing that my daughter was moving into my 5 bedroom house to give my grandkids a room each and she would be hosting all of the giant festive events that I have been in charge of for the last 25 years. That was 100% welcome by me as I've hosted 32 Christmases and catered the total cost..... then she announced that she's pregnant due on Xmas Eve and I've been informed it's now on me to go back to my old home , where I no longer live or have any of my own kitchen stuff, to cook Xmas dinner for 9 adults and 4 kids. And honestly they can not seem to understand why I don't want to. I moved out expressly so that I wasn't hosting anymore. I couldn't cope with a house that size and cooking for so many people on Christmas day, then doing a huge Boxing Day party not to mention that my sister and I do have been cooking take away roast dinners from home for disabled/pensioners/singles/low income locals for the last 5 years and that's 40-60 meals in Xmas Eve. It's all too much. I would be fuming in your shoes too op.

People are just so bloody entitled these days.

I would be saying a firm no to this!

Why can’t your son in law cook? (Or DIL if same sex marriage). Or some of the other seven adults?

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