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To think Christmas at PILs is unsustainable?

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Jimot · 08/10/2024 09:50

There is a backstory here in that PILs moved to a two up two down cottage/terrace in a semi rural area in the COVID no stamp duty era. They previously lived in a bigger house much closer to us and liked to have people over. They are now an hour away. We tried to gently broach how their lifestyle was going to work with the house when they were planning the move but they didn't want to hear it. Since then we had DS and PILs have been resentful that we don't have them do regular childcare, and don't accept really that the logistics wouldn't work, I think they just believe I'm favouring my parents and being awkward. We see them roughly once a fortnight on average although they would say we don't bother seeing them enough.

The house is small. So is our house, so it's not about being snobby over it, but they seem to still want to host like they used to.
Recently MIL complained that she would offer to host an extended family get together but no one ever wants to drive out to see them, and DH said in the car in the way back how he wondered where they were planning on putting everyone if they did host. PIL like to have DH and I and DS plus SIL and her DH over at the same time. There aren't enough seats in the living room for the adults so someone needs to sit on the floor. DS already tends to end up banging his head on furniture when playing as there is very limited floor space. If we eat at the table in the kitchen folding chairs are needed and we all need to shuffle around with our backs against the wall. We tend to spend a weekend with them including an overnight to do Christmas together. This is already changing as when a baby DS would sleep in a double with us to stay over but now he just won't sleep in bed with us and there is no room to put a camp bed down.
Now SIL is expecting next year and I've found out I am too!
We were talking about Christmas and I said next year maybe we had better book a pub with a soft play to be able to accommodate us all, or maybe even go away somewhere after Xmas. MIL was absolutely spitting feathers, absolutely indignant that we would be having family Christmas at their house and began speaking about the extra furniture they're going to purchase. I didn't really say much else although I was thinking that this was really no solution. Maybe we will be able to bring folding highchairs next year and keep babies on laps but even so, soon enough there just literally won't be room to fit in 6 adults and 3 children. They already don't have a Christmas tree as there is no room for one.

So was I unreasonable in my assertion about pub or going away? I do feel a little guilty as I do realise they want all their family together but to me it doesn't matter what the location is. I already find it a bit uncomfortable at their house but I'm dreading next year as feel like we are going to be literally squished in thigh to thigh and I won't be able to relax trying to manage the kids not being trodden on.

I'm happy to be hit with it though if I'm just totally selfish! AIBU?

OP posts:
Threelittleduck · 08/10/2024 13:41

An hour isn't far. I do that to see my parents every week. So why do you have to stay overnight, just come back after a few hours or whatever.
I think your SIL has the right idea saying she will host and I also think your idea of staying somewhere child friendly would be a good idea for future years.
If your MIL doesn't like it she can stay home alone. I would not put up with her sulking. Your DH needs to say this is the plan, either come and join us or don't.
My parents still insist on having everyone over on the 27th. That's about 18 people, but they use the kitchen, sitting room and dining room so it doesn't feel cramped apart from when we're actually eating.
YANBU to say no.
YWBU to put up with this situation any longer.

Jimot · 08/10/2024 13:27

Thank you for allt eh comments- I will try and respond more specifically later!
I feel I should clarify that by Christmas I mean we will be there sometime between the 23rd and 27th- not always Christmas day itself. We do see them more frequently at Xmas though. We have 3 lots of plans with them in December before Christmas.

SIL's DH drives them back and forth as he is teetotal and they wouldn't cope on a air mattress.

I couldn't 'make' DS sleep anywhere he doesn't want to- he doesn't have an off switch on his back!

This sounds harsh but sometimes I do feel like they've made their bed and they can lie in it when they complain we haven't been. An hour isn't very far in some circumstances but we can't go on a weekday evening and already weekends can be spoken for- parties, seeing friends, swimming etc as well as the fact we both work occasional Saturdays and that person would need the car. Of course we also sometimes want some downtime in our own house! I actually feel like going every other weekend is ok!
DH has spoken to his sister and she is thinking of hosting at hers, which is a fairer size, she will be far further along than me and expect she will be more comfortable if the rest of us can just bring buffet food. We will just drive there and back given I won't be drinking.

PILs often sulk about what they want really, DH is much better than me actually at dealing with it. They whisper to him when I leave the room asking questions about plans and saying how much they miss them etc, never going as far as explicitly saying it but making it obvious they think I'm witholding their darling son and grandson. DH just makes some benign comment and then shrugs it off and does what he wants, whereas I struggle feeling like the wicked witch!

OP posts:
godmum56 · 08/10/2024 13:21

SBHon · 08/10/2024 10:09

Squeezing all in for Christmas is part of the fun I think.

no. no it isn't

HolyMilkBoobiesBatman · 08/10/2024 13:20

I mean you’re not being unreasonable, there simply isn’t space but given you’re talking about Christmas 2025…14 months away, why are you giving it this much head space right now!

you can’t exactly stop them buying furniture if they want to, you’ve said your view on the matter but understand they want everyone together, just let your PIL come to the same conclusion yourself over the course of the next 14 months as the new babies arrive. They clearly regret the move (understandably) but your bringing up how impossible it will be with 6 adults & 3 kids now, months before the event probably just reads in their minds as you being difficult and finding excuses (I’m not saying that’s what you’re doing, just that their defences are up and they may feel that way) so just ease off for now, maybe quietly scout out some suitable places in the meantime so you can be ready with solutions nearer the time but for now just let it be!

Merryhobnobs · 08/10/2024 13:20

An hour really isn't far. I get for childcare on a daily basis not handy but handy enough for events and meet ups. I wouldn't want to stay overnight for Christmas anyway.

The plan should be to rethink things, a formal sit down meal doesn't sound like it is going to work. At least you could do your own thing in morning and head over later in day and home again when the kids go to bed then you get the evening to yourself? But it doesn't solve the issue or no space. Buffet style on boxing day might be easier.

And if the focus really is on all being together then the compromise should be going for a meal somewhere else together or even renting somewhere bigger for a couple of nights?

We live really far from family and generally have Christmas to our self, or have friends round or once every few years travel to family. It's really quite nice.

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 08/10/2024 13:19

I have friends who alternate between PIL's every year. Every other year they hire a large holiday home and do Christmas or New Years en masse so there's enough space for everyone. Seems to work very well for them.

What do you WANT to do though? Seems like a perfectly good opportunity to have a family Christmas with 3.5 of you and pop over on Christmas Eve or Boxing Day.

ManchesterLu · 08/10/2024 13:14

SBHon · 08/10/2024 10:09

Squeezing all in for Christmas is part of the fun I think.

That's great that you think that. But if THEY don't think that then their Christmas WON'T be fun, will it.

Icarus40 · 08/10/2024 13:13

If they are only an hour away then surely you don't need to sleep there? Unless your DC get travel sick, I'd just go there and back on the day.

We often drive 45 mins to my sister's house for Christmas lunch, it would not occur to me to stay over!

Flipzandchipz · 08/10/2024 13:09

Everything you’ve said is reasonable OP. They’ve every right to do what makes them happy and move away but it doesn’t then mean they get to throw a strop when naturally you can’t visit as often as previous or all go over for Christmas. A place big enough for everyone sounds like a good compromise if you’re happy to do it

Fathercrispness · 08/10/2024 13:08

SwingTheMonkey · 08/10/2024 10:02

When we had our children, Christmas was at home. People were more than welcome to come to us but we weren’t travelling anywhere. I don’t understand why they think you must go there for Xmas? Don’t you see your family?

Sounds like this isn’t a question of them wanting to all be together though? OP is happy to spend Christmas with them but nobody has a big enough house to host. An entirely different issue to yours.

Fruhstuck · 08/10/2024 13:00

Could you invite PIL to come and stay in a B & B near you for Christmas, and you host the festivities? Maybe your DH and his sister need to have a serious talk with them about how their future is going to work out. They can’t expect you to keep travelling an hour each way to see them very often.

ButterAsADip · 08/10/2024 12:59

You’ve got your own kids now. Perfect opportunity to stick to your own Xmas plans, just like MIL is wanting to stick to hers.

This year we’re deliberately not going anywhere, not going back to my parents’ for the whole Xmas period. Parents coming to us between Xmas and new year. Cannot wait to just chill and not have to drag the kids across the country with all the Xmas presents etc!

LewishamMumNow · 08/10/2024 12:54

Why not explain that you (expecting) and your child need a bed (and so does SIL and her family), and so your PILs will need to sleep on the floor? Not seriously of course.....but might help hammer it home there's really no space.

Naunet · 08/10/2024 12:51

Your PiL are the selfish ones here, thinking they get to dictate how other people spend their Christmas every single year.

JudgeJ · 08/10/2024 12:47

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 08/10/2024 10:13

I think you're doing well to see them once a fortnight, personally, now that they live that far away. It will get harder too once your DS has his own clubs and social life.
Christmas for us has for many years been here at home. We catch up with family in the days following. MIL didn't like it at first but now she's relieved she doesn't have all the pressure. We have been up there a few times when the dch were small and stayed in a B&B. Who wants that at Christmas? Better to make it afterwards.

A typical MN attitude, 'that far away' when it's only an hour! Some people live 'that far away' from their nearest Sainsbury's, it's nothing, even with children!

MSLRT · 08/10/2024 12:43

toomuchfaff · 08/10/2024 10:13

Nope.

Make it abundantly clear now that Christmas is now about YOUR family, it will be spent at your own house, for your own children. You're starting your own traditions, with a growing family, it has to start somewhere and now is the perfect time. PIL'S just won't work for you so you're going to decline the invite this year, thank but no thanks.

Completely agree. I reached the stage when I just said to my parents and in laws that we would be having Christmas at home once the children arrived. Too bad if they didn't like it.

Mcginty57 · 08/10/2024 12:37

For years, most of the kids younger years we spent Xmas alternating between parents. Only in the last five years do we now alternate between us and both of them and honestly I much prefer being at home and not doing it sooner. It's far more enjoyable in our own surroundings, the kids prefer being home. It's not about what your mother in law wants all the time, you're your own family now and need to do what's best for you. The logistics there just don't work anymore.

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 08/10/2024 12:35

HotSource · 08/10/2024 10:09

Your DH and SIL need to team up and be honest and direct with them: “we know we all love to be together but the fact is that none of us now have a house big enough to accommodate all of us at the same time, so our proposal is that we hire a lovely big holiday house between us and have a fabulous Christmas “

Any push back “ I know that’s the dream but the truth is that if we are all sleeping on blow up beds in the lounge no one will sleep and the kids will be grumpy. If we all want to be together with somewhere for us all to sleep and eat we need a holiday house “.

”OK, then maybe you two come to ours for the day at Christmas?”

this! And don’t get involved yourself, leave it to her kids…

MakeItRain26 · 08/10/2024 12:26

YANBU - when my parents “downsized” (they bought a house that was bigger but in a cheaper area so still released about £200k), one of the biggest priorities was having a “Christmas house”. Consequently they have ended up with a 4 bedroom detached house the two of them with 3 reception rooms plus a large kitchen. Consequently we are all happy for them to carry on hosting as they want to as lots of room for everyone and real bedrooms to stay in with enough toilets.

You ILs made their decision when they decided to buy a small house.

grannypants22 · 08/10/2024 12:25

Just say no?
Your in laws chose to move and wouldn't consider your valid concerns so let them deal with the consequences of it.
Why on earth people tiptoe around relatives at Christmas is beyond me. It's your day as much as theirs and your dc comfort should come before their demands.
By all means offer an alternative - ie they come to you or a pub lunch like you said. But there's no way I'd be squeezing myself into someone else's cramped and impractical home just to keep them happy at Christmas. Fuck that.

Bunnycat101 · 08/10/2024 12:25

we always used to alternate Christmas with each set of parents and then when our children were born stopped. We do still get together on a different day but I much prefer doing Christmas Day to our schedule, having the children in their own beds and some control without everyone getting totally over-hyped. Both parents have large houses so space has just about worked but is getting harder as children grow. I wouldn’t find it fun in a small house at all. One one set we’ve got 4 kids of very similar age in one bedroom and my daughter is starting to get pissed off with it and probably won’t be sustainable in a couple of years time. On the other side, there is quite big age gaps and it has worked for many years but has reached a point that’s tricky where everyone can’t have a proper bed anymore so probably wouldn’t choose to have everyone stay on the same evening.

BeanThereDoneIt · 08/10/2024 12:21

This is almost my exact situation, only mine moved even further away. We gave Christmas at theirs a go, it was exhausting. No one slept well (crammed into bedrooms, blow up beds in the living room), the kids woke up at the crack of dawn and we had to keep them quiet - Christmas is at ours this year.

It’s not your fault that your PILs didn’t foresee this consequence of their move. It’s also fine to have different priorities for Christmas to your PILs. Plus you’ve offered two very reasonable alternatives.

WaitForTheDungar · 08/10/2024 12:12

If she wants to host then she has to accept that the house they chose for day to day living is just not big enough. Your Dh needs to talk to them and suggest hiring somewhere where everyone has their own space/room as well as being able to come together. Whether that is one property or a couple of cottages usually rented out by the same company close together.

When my parents downsized they knew it would now fall to my sister to host Christmas which worked out really well.

Goodadvice1980 · 08/10/2024 12:09

Stick to your guns OP!

Out of interest, do you ever see your own parent’s Christmas day or do PIL also expect you to go to them?

Thursdaygirl · 08/10/2024 12:09

SBHon · 08/10/2024 10:09

Squeezing all in for Christmas is part of the fun I think.

In theory, maybe ......

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