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To think Christmas at PILs is unsustainable?

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Jimot · 08/10/2024 09:50

There is a backstory here in that PILs moved to a two up two down cottage/terrace in a semi rural area in the COVID no stamp duty era. They previously lived in a bigger house much closer to us and liked to have people over. They are now an hour away. We tried to gently broach how their lifestyle was going to work with the house when they were planning the move but they didn't want to hear it. Since then we had DS and PILs have been resentful that we don't have them do regular childcare, and don't accept really that the logistics wouldn't work, I think they just believe I'm favouring my parents and being awkward. We see them roughly once a fortnight on average although they would say we don't bother seeing them enough.

The house is small. So is our house, so it's not about being snobby over it, but they seem to still want to host like they used to.
Recently MIL complained that she would offer to host an extended family get together but no one ever wants to drive out to see them, and DH said in the car in the way back how he wondered where they were planning on putting everyone if they did host. PIL like to have DH and I and DS plus SIL and her DH over at the same time. There aren't enough seats in the living room for the adults so someone needs to sit on the floor. DS already tends to end up banging his head on furniture when playing as there is very limited floor space. If we eat at the table in the kitchen folding chairs are needed and we all need to shuffle around with our backs against the wall. We tend to spend a weekend with them including an overnight to do Christmas together. This is already changing as when a baby DS would sleep in a double with us to stay over but now he just won't sleep in bed with us and there is no room to put a camp bed down.
Now SIL is expecting next year and I've found out I am too!
We were talking about Christmas and I said next year maybe we had better book a pub with a soft play to be able to accommodate us all, or maybe even go away somewhere after Xmas. MIL was absolutely spitting feathers, absolutely indignant that we would be having family Christmas at their house and began speaking about the extra furniture they're going to purchase. I didn't really say much else although I was thinking that this was really no solution. Maybe we will be able to bring folding highchairs next year and keep babies on laps but even so, soon enough there just literally won't be room to fit in 6 adults and 3 children. They already don't have a Christmas tree as there is no room for one.

So was I unreasonable in my assertion about pub or going away? I do feel a little guilty as I do realise they want all their family together but to me it doesn't matter what the location is. I already find it a bit uncomfortable at their house but I'm dreading next year as feel like we are going to be literally squished in thigh to thigh and I won't be able to relax trying to manage the kids not being trodden on.

I'm happy to be hit with it though if I'm just totally selfish! AIBU?

OP posts:
TeaGinandFags · 08/10/2024 16:26

Congratulations on your wonderful news. ❤️

Use the pregnancy/new baby as an excuse to not go over and establish Christmas at yours.

PiLs are going to have to be unhappy.

They're being totally selfish expecting you to squeeze into tiny accommodation with little ones. Be selfish right back and be comfortable. Let DH deal with them.

Createausername1970 · 08/10/2024 16:15

My twopenneth is that they moved further away to smaller house.

We used to go to BILs for Xmas every other year. But it was 1.5 hours drive each way. It was a pain as an adult, but once we had DS I said no. We adopted him at 3, so he was aware of what was going on, and I thought it wouldn't be much fun for him to open presents, then have to leave everything to spend half the day in a car seat.

It didn't go down well that we changed the routine, but I have never regretted it. I always said they were welcome to come to us, but they never did, they liked Christmas their way.

So make plans that work for everyone as the family evolves.

GoForARun · 08/10/2024 16:15

Squishing everybody in on higgledy-piggledy mid-matches chairs is a charm of many family Christmases.

If I were in your shoes I would definitely just go for the day. We did this for the first time when my two were about 2.5 and 6 months and it was great! We woke up in our own beds. We had presents and breakkie and then drove to my in- laws for the day. Had a super time but it just felt amazing to arrive home again with our kids, back in our own home.

AcrossthePond55 · 08/10/2024 16:06

@Jimot

First thing is that you and DH each need to decide what you will and won't do. Then you and DH need to find a compromise and stick to it. Then consult with SiL & BiL as to what they want to do. Then each couple announces their decision to your iLs or the 4 of you announce a joint decision. Traditions in families must evolve. If MiL wants to pout and be left behind, that's up to her.

Option 1 - Driving an hour isn't that bad, but I'm used to long distances so 2 hours round trip would be nothing, I've done that and more in the past with 2 young DC. So one suggestion would be that MiL is told that if she wants you then she'll have to serve Xmas dinner in the early-ish afternoon and that you'll come for the day but will go home that night. Dinner will still be a squeeze but that'll only be for a few hours.

Option 2 - Same as 1 except you arrive at MiLs for the day but stay in a hotel overnight then come home. You don't have to tell her you aren't driving right home.

Option 3 - You, DH, and SiL & BiL form a united front and tell MiL that Xmas dinner will be at SiL's house or at a pub/restaurant, period. You or SiL offer to host PiLs overnight if that works. If she hosts, I think SiL will be too exhausted to have overnight guests, but if she wants to have them, fine.

Option 4 - Everyone stays in their own home for Xmas and MiL deals with that.

Option 5 - MiL gets her way and she's happy, FiL is happy, but you and DH and SiL and BiL are miserable. I'd say 'the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few' (according to Mr Spock).

Blarn · 08/10/2024 16:04

We used to go round to my parents but once dd1 got to about three or four we hosted at ours as the dc didn't want to have to pick a few toys to take - which is fair enough! I'm not of of those people who goes on about Christmas being all about the kids but when they are very small it is! You do what you need to for them to have a nice day. It's actually easier hosting as dc are not as well behaved at grandparents (they brought it on themselves!). It seems a bit miserable to take dc somewhere for Christmas day with no Christmas tree as well!

MereDintofPandiculation · 08/10/2024 15:38

Alcedo · 08/10/2024 14:37

Every other weekend is a lot, sounds like they're very demanding!

You’re assuming it’s not a mutual decision

MrRobinsonsQuango · 08/10/2024 15:34

They have made their bed and they can lie in it. Plus who made MIL the boss of Christmas?! I wouldn’t go as it sounds like a nightmare

Teeshs · 08/10/2024 15:29

You need to stop paying attention.
I did.
I couldn't care less what others wanted for Christmas.
We did ALL the travelling for a decade pre children and there wasn't even a discussion the first year.
It simply wasn't happening.
My husband had endured the huge gatherings every year and absolutely hated it, and that was a crowd in a 5 bedroomed large house.
He just didn't like the long day and our first Christmas abroad was his best ever, pleasing ourselves.
We did lots of travelling to them but once kids arrived we were suiting ourselves.
My children loved putting on their pjs for tge day and playing and they look back on those days so happily.

As children grow activities like training and matches, parties etc., become a huge commitment.
Visiting every other weekend is huge.
They chose to move so that is completely on them.
Do not engage.
Leave it completely to your husband to navigate...once he is clear on YOUR position!

Twilightstarbright · 08/10/2024 15:25

We’ve reached this with the in laws- it was just about ok when the kids were little but now there’s 4dc aged 5-9 and there’s not enough space for everyone to eat together so we eat in shifts.

We have a big house and have offered to host but everyone is so obsessed with drinking they won’t come as they’d need to drive and they won’t pay for a taxi can easily afford it.

In laws and SIL now go abroad but DH has to work Christmas Eve and Boxing Day without fail so we can’t go. It’s sad but not much we can do.

I don’t find squeezing in much fun and DS was horrified when he had to sleep on a shitty blow up mattress. We are a family who a) need their sleep b) are miserable gits after a bad nights sleep!

Maray1967 · 08/10/2024 15:04

I wouldn’t put up with whispering when I leave the room, OP. I would have made it clear to DH that he challenge it head on, or Id be coming back in asking them what they were saying - with a smile on my face - very pass-agg.

He needs to be telling them that every other weekend isn’t going to work going forward. We live 80 miles away from family. We used to do once a month, sometimes less.

Imfreetofeelgood · 08/10/2024 14:51

Alcedo · 08/10/2024 14:37

Every other weekend is a lot, sounds like they're very demanding!

Really? Some GPs see their GC everyday!

Imfreetofeelgood · 08/10/2024 14:48

YANBU - you don't have to do anything just to avoid a tantrum from MIL. As PP has said - it is PIL who chose to change things by moving.
However - they are only 1 hour away. Why do you have to stay over night? Can you not visit after lunch?

Beautiful3 · 08/10/2024 14:44

I'd stay home and have your own Christmas. I'd visit on boxing day and bring buffet food.

Allthehorsesintheworld · 08/10/2024 14:42

I live in a small house, 6 people plus 3 children would be pretty unbearable.
Plus it’s Christmas , paper, toys, boxes, stockings……. it’s just not going to be a great day.
Hire a large Airbnb so you can all spend Christmas together.
Or stay in a hotel tho not easy with two kids in one room.
Or Stay in their house for an hour to open presents then lunch in a pub.

Alcedo · 08/10/2024 14:37

Every other weekend is a lot, sounds like they're very demanding!

SallyWD · 08/10/2024 14:24

It does sound uncomfortable. Could you host? If it really means a lot to her to host, I'd either go for the day or stay in a b and b nearby.
We host my family as we have the biggest house, however we still can't accommodate 14 people, so my brother and his wife stay in a hotel round the corner. It works well.

Nsky62 · 08/10/2024 14:23

NerrSnerr · 08/10/2024 10:23

If they're only an hour away could you just go for a couple of hours and go home after lunch?

Too much hassle

rightoguvnor · 08/10/2024 14:21

Once the dc were over the 'portable' stage I always felt it very unfair to take them away from their own home over Xmas (well, once they were 15/16 they were quite amenable to Mexico...). Father Xmas brings all these lovely presents and then - bang - you're bunged in the car to granny's and have to leave them all. Or you've slept on an airbed at Granny's and there's no room to put your new train set up anyway.
So I do think grandparents have to become flexible about Xmas arrangements.
Or someone books a holiday home near to the 'family hub' and just goes to dinner.
Or absolutely everyone books a large holiday home (or several smaller ones) and everyone hosts!
Or a couple - note, couple) - announce that from now on they'll be indoors on Xmas day, Eve/Boxing/27th/NY are up for grabs but not Xmas Day. You could always be kind and say 'visitors all welcome' but if not so inclined that's quite acceptable too.

Savingthehedgehogs · 08/10/2024 14:19

This is really not going to be fun with your pregnancy and a toddler op! I think they need to come to you or go to SIL or agree to stay in a bigger house for the festive period. Things have changed drastically and PIL need to be more accommodating and flexible!

Xtraincome · 08/10/2024 14:16

We are in a similar position with DM as her place just can't fit 4 other adults, 2 children and a toddler, there will be another baby next year too. We go on Boxing Day and the cramped conditions don't make it fun at all.

Would much rather a carvery/meal out and a walk somewhere but that generation are wildly stubborn. Just stick to your guns, do your own thing and set the precedent now!

Thursdaygirl · 08/10/2024 14:05

We have 3 lots of plans with them in December before Christmas.

@Jimot blimey, they really do sound demanding!!!

Thursdaygirl · 08/10/2024 14:04

Icarus40 · 08/10/2024 13:13

If they are only an hour away then surely you don't need to sleep there? Unless your DC get travel sick, I'd just go there and back on the day.

We often drive 45 mins to my sister's house for Christmas lunch, it would not occur to me to stay over!

That's a good point. People do seem to get a bit hung up about overnighting, and its not always necessary. DH's family are a bit like this. A visit isn't a visit unless sleeping under the same roof is involved!!! Weird.

Lavenderandbrown · 08/10/2024 14:01

Op I started hosting all holidays at age 33. I have the biggest nicest house with most cooking amenities. By nicest I mean I decorate I have adequate parking adequate space to serve food eat food and sit. I incur most of the expense but I do have some help financially and I definetly have help cooking. I insisted on staying home after my DC were born. This transpired after I literally got lost (pre cell phone and navigation) on a snowy dark night with two toddlers coming home from my uncles on Christmas. I mean rural area no one to ask and couldn’t read or see anything. My dear father supported this 100% and handled most of the comments. Having children is a watershed year. This IS your year to make the changes. PIL can come to you. They don’t have space don’t decorate maybe don’t want to cook and have no logistics (presents hi chairs baby paraphernalia) to manage. People get over stuff or they spend the holiday alone. Christmas is for children in their own home. That’s where Santa comes. And I’m going to be very happy when my DD who is 25 wants to stay home and I can pack a suitcase and book a hotel. Oh and I had/have DH but notice how I mention nothing about them? Christmas is so very often women’s work so do it the way YOU want

Sugargliderwombat · 08/10/2024 13:50

Thursdaygirl · 08/10/2024 12:09

In theory, maybe ......

It very much depends on who you are squeezing in with really, doesnt it? Squeezing in with a overtired child hwo wants their own bed sounds like hell.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 08/10/2024 13:47

Sixteenandfourteen789 · 08/10/2024 10:20

It’s my idea of hell!

And especially not enjoyable when pregnant with a toddler like op!

Not everyone is the same!

Me too. If there’s going to be no comfortable bed and no comfortable seating, I don’t go.

All squeezing in may be fun until you’re 25 tops - after that, forget it!

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