To think people's manners in public are deteriorating

Why didn't you just say can you turn that down please?

Sheer Piggery. Hilarious & will steal that saying. I'm currently sat on a train, 3 seats are taken up with the largest Selfridges bags you can imagine. The owner of said bags is chomping on a Greggs pastry while stuffing his face in the next breath with a bag of quavers. Whilst texting with the beep sound. Avoid Hampstead that's my next stop! ✋

I have grey hair now and i rule the train. It really works. (but you have to not be embarassed at people looking at you)

I love that! Be careful though.

Oh just thought of something fun to add - I was sitting across from a guy on the train recently, and he kept picking his nose and eating it! A grown adult man. WTF! I tried to look away out the window but we kept going through dark tunnels and I'd see the reflection of him in the window 😂😭. Was too crowded to move seats!

I don't think manners are deteriorating. Other people have often been irritating since the dawn of time 😂. But there are new ways to be rude and annoying now, like with mobile devices, as you mention 😊

On the porn thing, I was shocked on an Al Italia flight before Covid. The guy in the seat next to me was watching gay porn on a tablet, with max volume! Two teenaged girls were next to him, I pointed it out to the Steward and he shrugged and walked off.

All the way from Schiphol to Brindisi.

Oh my god - hands down pants! How could I forget. Made easier with the fashion being for jogging bottoms. If I see someone touching their willy in public I do a look of horror on my face that I turn to disgust as I look away . I hope it registers with them. Vile. When I see this I remember why I'm constantly washing my hands after being out in public and use wet wipes before eating out.

Yes, all of the above. Chatting in the cinema, answering and using the phone too. On the train, playing music out loud, feet on seats and hands down pants!

From my experience, the elderly are ruder than the younger generation. Also i believe that those who are stuck in their own ways - ie refuse, won’t deal with 21stC tech are ruder still.

Guessing it’s something to do with everything is online, needs an app etc.

I think the more of us that say it the better - surely if you're asked every day to put headphones in your brain might eventually realise it is easier to bring some headphones. Obviously, your safety has to be thought of. It really annoys me. I no longer go to cinemas or the theatre or anywhere I'm trapped sitting down because of the rudeness of people. I dread flying and taking the train, but I can't avoid the train. Restaurants are pot luck too.

@Brefugee
Can confirm I am also menopausal and not shy of bringing out my Girl Guider voice when required . . . I absolutely give way less of a shit these days.
I do try and judge the situation so I (hopefully) don't compromise my own safety but I will cheerfully call out poor behaviour. Usually with fairly positive results . .

I think technology wise we have moved into a new era and people are trying to find the new norms which is causing friction. Hopefully one day it will be universally accepted that we don't do it, much like smoking on public transport

Oh that would have got my back up! And may have responded with, do you mind, go get your manager.

The attitude of some shop staff, it's like you being in the shop is an inconvenience to them. And then people wonder why retail is dying.

Absolutely. I think kids are completely unused to people expecting manners and consideration, so when it's made clear that actually you do, they are shocked into it.

If people actually confronted the issue rather than being scared to - I'm not talking of confronting actual dangerous behaviour of course - things might not have deteriorated so fast.

It's funny that people still need to think they need to add a covid disclaimer 3/4 years on.

I think it's really clear how much anti covid measures - whether or not they were proven to be effective - contributed to the decline in manners and public behaviour.

Just to add I had one couple deliberately turn the music on and off constantly when I asked them to put their headphones in (to annoy me further) - both were listening without headphones to their own phones so x 2. The man had his feet up on the seat too. I said he shouldn't do that as people had to sit there. Of course, he said he can't wear headphones as they hurt his ears and he had back problems to had to sit with his feet up. I always ask politely but there is a real bolshy attitude from people a lot of the time. As I got off I called them entitled, selfish arseholes :).

I usually say something to people watching/listening to their phones without headphones. I don't always get a good response - one man shrugged like an idiot, another asked me if I'd said 'please' - I told him I had but really shouldn't have to ask in the first place as when did this become acceptable and it's anti-social, what if we all did it. He rolled his eyes but turned it down. I asked a girl on a bus on Saturday could she please put her headphones in and she looked at me stunned but then said she'd stop the video and I said thank you. So, a mixed response. I think it is important to say something otherwise it is going to get worse. If they get asked a couple of times by different people it might make them think twice about doing it. I hate it. I wish stronger measures were taken with signs up saying headphones must be worn at all times. It's ridiculous. What is the thought process of someone playing something without headphones?!

No, I don't think it's manners, I think its technology.

I'm reasonably sure that had mobile phones been available back in the 50s, then the only difference would be that the music being played would be "My old mans a dustman", and the porn would contain significantly more pubic hair.

People not apologising for bumping into you is down to headphones I reckon. Everyones got earbuds in these days so noone bothers communicating.

And me. Costs nothing to apologise. I had to climb over into the driver’s seat a few weeks ago in the Tesco car park. Huge van parked right against my door. Managed to do it by taking my coat off but it was so close that as I reversed out my side bleepers were going off. That close. Utter arsewipe

the other week i was on the small local train to work when a school class with 2 stressed teachers got on. It was loud, they were jumping around (1st year of secondary age) and some were putting feet on seats. So i just employed "teacher voice" (reader: i am not a teacher) and told them to have more consideration and to get their feet down. And they did.

I was quite stunned, tbh. It's the menopause i think. You just stop giving a shit.

What are you on about? It's basic manners to say please and thank you!

I have grey hair now and i rule the train.

@Brefugee is living proof that not all heroes wear capes.

'train captain?'

And while I'd love to blame BJ for everything that seems a bit harsh...

Most people spend too much time on line and then when they go out into the real world forget they are interacting with real people.

This happens all the time to me. No one smiles, says thank you or sorry anymore.
I blame covid masks (I’m not anti masks) as they stopped that subtle stranger communication