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AIBU to not believe in God/Religion

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Lollylucyclark101 · 07/10/2024 15:52

So for context. I was brought up Catholic - Irish catholic to be exact.

I was Christened, had my First Holy Communion and confirmation. Went to a Catholic primary school, church every Sunday etc. I believed in God because I was told to believe in God.

When I was 15, my younger sister 13 was diagnosed with a malignant brain cancer and had to have several invasive surgeries and several years of treatment. She then ended up with a benign growth on her brain 12 years later and again has several invasive surgeries and years of recuperation - she is now 36 and still not "fully" recovered. She cant work and leads a very solitary life with her (abusive in some ways, not physically) partner of 20 years.

I was told that this was gods way of testing her and testing us as a family. My young brain couldn't comprehend this - I mean - why would God, the GOOD entity in all this, want to TEST a child? Test our family? (we where good church goers, my family fostered, we were pillars of the community!)

I had led a sheltered life until I was 17, grew up with strict rules, around fairy tails and encouraged to grow up, get married, have children.

I got married at 18, but why did God direct me to an abusive alcoholic?

I had a baby at 21 and was divorced at 22.

I now have a son whom (I love with all my heart! dont get me wrong!) behaves appallingly (my other child doesn't?) smashes doors, pees in bottles, breaks everything, doesn't wash, lives in filth, has no respect for me or our home, was a nightmare through Nursery, Primary school, Secondary school and College and at 17, wont go to college because "I hate maths". (yes he has SEND - but do you THINK HE WILL GO TO SEE A DOCTOR? No?!

Why would God send me such a difficult person to parent? why me?

Anyway - I digress.

I haven't been to Church (unless it was a funeral) since I was15. I'm 38 now, I don't believe in God and don't believe there is any evidence that Religion is anything but man made. I mean, I am a good person. I don't drink, smoke, take drugs..... I stay on the right side of the law, I'm kind, thoughtful, loving.... why why have I had so many bad/very difficult things happen to me in my life?

I recently saw an old friend, who at Secondary school was considered "promiscuous", but has been married for 15 years and is now a Mormon (has been since she married). The meeting was completely accidental, and she constantly used phrases like "God was good to us" or "God provided...." etc..... kinds felt like she was rubbing it in, despite how she acted at school!
She then went on to ask about my family and children and was shocked that I had not indoctrinated them into the Catholic Religion.... she was then further upset when I explained that I had my reasons for not believing, that I believed religion was man made.

She got really upset and the interaction ended quite badly.... with her insinuating that I was calling her faith lies (I didn't!) and me furious for being called a bad person because I didn't have a faith.

I fully accept that people have religion - You do you? But surely you should be open to the idea that people don't have faith?

What's your opinion? Was I being unreasonable by saying that no GOOD GOD would put tests on a child (my sister) by giving them cancer?... therefore God cannot exist?

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Lou16777 · 07/10/2024 19:38

My husband was diagnosed with a malignant brain tumour when he was in his early 20s and our DD suffered a perinatal stroke. I think when these things happen to you it is very, very difficult to imagine there is a higher power. I was christened as a child but have never followed a religion.

Life can just be shit. But we get up, dust ourselves off and carry on. I do realise this may not be the healthiest way to deal with things but it's what works for us! X

Brahumbug · 07/10/2024 19:18

@Lollylucyclark101

She got really upset and the interaction ended quite badly.... with her insinuating that I was calling her faith lies (I didn't!) and me furious for being called a bad person because I didn't have a faith.
Well she is right about one thing, her faith is lies😁. Mormonism is nonsense on stilts founded by a conman, with a so called 'scripture' plagiarized from other writings and the king James bible.

FourChimneys · 07/10/2024 19:05

There is absolutely no reason why you should believe in any god or goddess.

My life as a complete non-believer ticks along very nicely. Sometimes in the interests of tolerance I smile and nod, but inside I'm thinking - are you really that brainwashed?

There are countless gods and goddesses, I have no idea how people get fixated on any particular one.

I tend to view it all as dodgy businesses. Big God, or something like that.

Maddy70 · 07/10/2024 18:52

I dont believe in a god either. Its a ridiculous notion logically. I don't feel the slightest guilt (i was brought up in a religious family)

KatieL5 · 07/10/2024 18:08

I have never had any meaningful exposure to religion. My parents weren’t religious, I wasn’t christened. None of my extended family were either.

My DH also has no interest in religion and our DS isn’t christened.

I’ve never attended a church service.

I tend to have a very factual almost scientific based view of life so religion is of no interest to me.

If others get some comfort from it then good luck to them however I really don’t see the point of it all. As an outsider it’s also quite hard not to see far more negatives than positives about religion. I guess that is mainly because good stuff about religion isn’t really newsworthy whereas religious based wars tend to be.

I wouldn’t notice if all religion disappeared overnight.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/10/2024 17:54

Lollylucyclark101 · 07/10/2024 16:52

Hey, she actually asked about my parents/church and my religious beliefs, which is how the conversation started. 👍

She was angry with my because I had chosen to not believe in god and not bringing my children into religion.

That was a pretty silly thing for her to do if she wasn't going to accept your answer and it's probably a subject best avoided in future

I've every respect for individual beliefs but not for those who try to force them upon others, and unfortunately some can get a bit like this - especially if they've spent a lifetime being indoctrinated and even more so if the religion's one of the more dogmatic variety

She really doesn't get to tell you you're a "bad person" for going another way though, and I'd be telling her that straight

Deebee90 · 07/10/2024 17:51

It’s all made up to make people feel better about their lives and to try and explain the unknown. I was raised a Christian and after everything that’s happened to me and my family we turned our backs. It’s all made up. If there was a genuine god then the world wouldn’t be the way it is now.

Lollylucyclark101 · 07/10/2024 17:48

username3678 · 07/10/2024 17:45

It means that if someone wants to start an argument with you ie about religion, you end the discussion and walk away. You don't have to argue with someone.

We weren’t arguing… she asked and eventually got upset. 🤷‍♀️

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username3678 · 07/10/2024 17:45

Lollylucyclark101 · 07/10/2024 17:42

I don’t understand this comment. We met by chance and had other discussions/catch up before religion was even mentioned.

It means that if someone wants to start an argument with you ie about religion, you end the discussion and walk away. You don't have to argue with someone.

Lollylucyclark101 · 07/10/2024 17:42

username3678 · 07/10/2024 17:08

You don't have to turn up to every argument you're invited to.

I don’t understand this comment. We met by chance and had other discussions/catch up before religion was even mentioned.

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Octaviusoctober · 07/10/2024 17:32

Op I was raised Catholic and whilst I like the stories and morals I am not a believer at all.

However I think your thought process is narrow. I don't not believe in god because someone said something silly/down right atrocious re your sister.
I don't believe because it's not real like father Christmas. Everything else like all these comments is just the crap that comes with it.

envbeckyc · 07/10/2024 17:32

I too was raised a Catholic, went through the who indoctrination, but quickly realised that the religion wasn’t very good for women, and that believing the literal word of the bible is the definition of anti science!

on Saturday a ‘Christian’ in my local town was preaching alongside a banner that was offensively homophobic! I shouted that what he was doing was disgusting!

I long ago realised that religion wasn’t for me, I consider myself a Humanist, and believe in equality and respect, most religions are misogynistic and homophobic, and in my option are not relevant in today’s society!

I therefore have never baptised my own children, even though there would have been an advantage for local schools, and have raised them away from religion and alls its dogma!

YANBU

Dotto · 07/10/2024 17:22

I don't think anyone truly secure in their 'faith' would have reacted as she did. You hit a nerve.

pointythings · 07/10/2024 17:17

YANBU, she brought religion into the conversation and then kicked off when she didn't like what you were saying.

IMO, freedom of religion should include freedom from religion.

OneTC · 07/10/2024 17:13

It's hardly an unusual or controversial opinion

offyoujollywelltrot · 07/10/2024 17:13

TiredCatLady · 07/10/2024 17:08

@offyoujollywelltrot pretty much exactly how I feel about it. Starts wars, burns women at the stake and keeps the poor down.

It drives me up the fucking wall how we're all supposed to tolerate it in the name of religious freedom. Fuck that.

It's poison.

Ohhhh but some of the nicest people I know are (insert religious nonsense here)...

And? You don't need religion to be a nice person.

I long for a secular world with no male bullshit.

fruitbrewhaha · 07/10/2024 17:12

Of course it’s made up. There are so many gods and religions. You don’t believe in her Mormon god but she on the other hand doesn’t believe in the hundreds of other gods people pray to around the world. So you just believe in one less god than her.

TiredCatLady · 07/10/2024 17:08

@offyoujollywelltrot pretty much exactly how I feel about it. Starts wars, burns women at the stake and keeps the poor down.

89redballoons · 07/10/2024 17:08

Lollylucyclark101 · 07/10/2024 16:52

Hey, she actually asked about my parents/church and my religious beliefs, which is how the conversation started. 👍

She was angry with my because I had chosen to not believe in god and not bringing my children into religion.

Yeah, in that case I think she was being really unreasonable to ask such a personal question of someone she hadn't seen for so long, and you weren't being unreasonable at all to tell the truth about your faith or lack thereof. She sounds really rude.

If it matters, I say this as a practising Catholic with kids at a Catholic school (though not all the children at the school are baptised). I don't even know which of the kids my son is friends with come from religious families, apart from the ones I see at church sometimes. I wouldn't ever ask like that.

username3678 · 07/10/2024 17:08

Lollylucyclark101 · 07/10/2024 16:52

Hey, she actually asked about my parents/church and my religious beliefs, which is how the conversation started. 👍

She was angry with my because I had chosen to not believe in god and not bringing my children into religion.

You don't have to turn up to every argument you're invited to.

offyoujollywelltrot · 07/10/2024 17:03

Religion is nothing but patriarchal bullshit designed to control. I want nothing to do with it, and wish we didn't have to pander to any of it. It's grooming.

Whatwouldnanado · 07/10/2024 17:00

i had a simple Sunday School type faith, Christened and married in church. Religion has inspired great art, given opportunity for charity purpose and, community to people but is ultimately about control. We have science now and free thought. Look at all the ridiculous wars caused by different interpretations of religious positions. Check out Stephen Fry’s opinion of God. Having seen strokes rob the sight from a surgeon and a fine teacher, and my own family member suffering from lack of mobility I agree with him.

Hatty65 · 07/10/2024 16:54

Believe what you like. Accord other people the same courtesy.

Lollylucyclark101 · 07/10/2024 16:52

89redballoons · 07/10/2024 16:16

You're not being unreasonable to be an atheist or to bring your children up as atheists. Everyone has their reasons for believing or not believing in God, and everyone brings their own experiences to the table.

However, did the woman you used to know ask you about whether you're still religious? If so that's a pretty weird and personal thing to ask someone. If not, and you spontaneously brought up the fact you're an atheist now and you hadn't "indoctrinated" your children into a religion, I can see how she might have thought that was a criticism of the choices she had made herself.

Hey, she actually asked about my parents/church and my religious beliefs, which is how the conversation started. 👍

She was angry with my because I had chosen to not believe in god and not bringing my children into religion.

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Dilbertian · 07/10/2024 16:51

She got really upset and the interaction ended quite badly.... with her insinuating that I was calling her faith lies (I didn't!) and me furious for being called a bad person because I didn't have a faith.

SheIBU, YANBU.

I believe, you don't. That's fine. I have no more right to call you a bad person for not believing, then you have to call my faith lies. (Which I wouldn't, and you didn't.)

Some people, having had your tough experiences, might find faith helps them cope. Others, like you, might find these experiences destroy their faith. Neither is right and neither is wrong.

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