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Kids not wanting to attend SILs wedding after argument

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comfortablynumber · 07/10/2024 11:19

My sister in law is getting married in 3 weeks. My daughter is a bridesmaid and my son is an usher. However we’ve all just had a huge row and now my children don’t particularly want to go either. Looking for advice.

Both my kids are in private school. Daughter year 10, son year 11. SIL very much disapproves of our choice. She also has a child in year 11. Over a family Sunday lunch we were discussing plans for post GCSE education. We’re not pulling the kids out of school during GCSEs but the fee increase is too much long term. The plan therefore is for them to complete their GCSEs in their current school and hopefully then get a place at the excellent local state school for 6th form. The local school is C of E which is why we couldn’t get in for senior school (I have some thoughts about that, but that’s another thread!) However for 6th form current pupils just have to achieve high GCSEs and new pupils very high GCSEs. They make offers to new pupils based on school predicted grades and the number of applicants etc. Last year for example to get in for A level maths you needed to be predicted a min 7 as well as scoring highly in an exam the school set.

I thought SIL would be happy, but she lost her mind. It was triggered by a comment my son made- he said he was looking forward to going because it would be nice to go somewhere bigger, meet new people and because most of his friends from his current school were also applying. His current school is selective and high achieving. Son is predicted 7-9 in almost everything and most of his friends are the same. We’re talking a year group of 150 kids with at least 50+% now applying to the local school (previously I’d say 10-20% went after GCSEs). This will obviously massively increase the competition for the places they can offer to people who aren’t already pupils.

SIL went off. It’s not fair apparently that her son and his friends may not be offered a place because of competition from kids who had the benefit of private education. She genuinely said that there should be a sort of tier system - like university contextual offers. The thing is, that other than the great C of E school the other school options aren’t good at all (hence us going private.) Son asked SIL if she was saying that because he’d been privately educated she thought he should go somewhere not great for A levels, and she said yes! Apparently he’ll do fine anywhere. Son said he didn’t want to do “fine”- he was aiming for better, and some of the other local schools don’t even offer things like further maths or A levels other than the basics.

DH (her brother) pointed out that the levelling up of state schools she thinks will happen when private schools lose pupils would take some time and there were bound to be issues initially, especially when lots more kids look to go to state schools for A levels in a few years. He’s been pissed off with her for years and pointed out that this is what she wanted. My son and daughter are very upset that their aunt seemingly doesn’t care that much about them.

I’m more sympathetic. Nephew has struggled in the school he’s currently in (also not able to get into C of E school) with low level bullying. He’s had 3 maths teachers in 18 months and his science teachers have been dreadful. The drama teacher is currently filling in in GCSE English lit for unknown reasons and it’s not going well. It’s all been a bit shit and I know they are hugely keen for him to go somewhere different for A level. However his predicted grades aren’t brilliant and he was always borderline as to whether he’d get in based on last years offers- the additional competition may well mess things up for him. SIL has been really upset about his school for a long time which is one of the reasons she’s been so cross about us going private. Apparently the local schools would have been better if the private school and the Cof E didn’t cream off the better pupils. She’s not wrong (don’t want this to be a thread about educational policy though) However my son and daughter are I think rightfully annoyed that she’d be happy to send them there!

It all got very fraught until my MIL nearly burst into tears and people calmed down. However the children are now saying they don’t want to be in her wedding. This is my problem- do I tell them to suck it up (outfits bought, far to late in the day to drop out, not doing it would cause possibly unrecoverable family strife, they love their cousin and my SIL when she’s not upset and speaking without thinking) or do I let them chose not to? They’re young and cross and I’m know they haven’t thought through the long term ramifications.

DH says we should leave them tonight but he’s not exactly impartial. I actually like SIL (despite being often and vocally judged) and think that everyone will end up regretting not going. I also think she’s a worried mother who is seeing the possibility of her child not getting a place somewhere he really wants to go. I’d be upset -and I am upset for nephew.
What do I do?

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Caerulea · 09/10/2024 08:58

OP, it's been a fascinating (& predictably toxic) thread but I think your mumming skills on this are really good. And yes, it's kinda hilarious that attending the wedding was never actually in question at all lol - but obviously well worth the outcome as a result of your initial post.

Good luck with everything!

Caerulea · 09/10/2024 08:48

Savingthehedgehogs · 08/10/2024 20:21

I am just staggered you said you were ‘disappointed’ in your own children. What have I just read?! 😱
Your poor kids. That’s all I am saying.

Edited

Eh? They aren't toddlers! I think OP is managing & owning this really well. I've a 15 & 17yo & they are definitely mature enough to understand what's going on &, by OPs own admittance, her DC should already have known.

PuddlesPityParty · 09/10/2024 05:36

@InterIgnis i said I was done replying but I’m actually concerned for you - log off and go outside for a bit. You’ve been non stop on this thread, surely you have a real life to attend to?

Savingthehedgehogs · 09/10/2024 03:51

This thread has been completely skewed by the running hatred of private schools. So much so that pp are willing to overlook an ADULT berating and shaming a child about a sixth form place! She has been excused for behaving so poorly towards him because apparently he is ‘privileged’!

As if it is perfectly okay for her to give him a good kicking verbally because he deserves it??

His father sick of his sister’s bullying finally stands up for his child, op however joins her sil in telling her own children how bloody disappointed she is in THEM! Despite the fact they haven’t actually done anything wrong.

I feel quite sickened by this outcome, and very sorry for the children on the receiving end of their bullying Aunt’s fury and disappointment with her own child’s results, that is now being projected on to them.

What kind of mother allows other adults to treat their children like that? And then join in and shame them for their so called privilege (that she herself choose for them!) It is spectacular hypocrisy and very poor parenting on your part op. Your people pleasing at this point is out of control.

When your children are stood at the wedding with awkward fixed grins, and seething at the injustice of it all, remember that you are trading away their self worth and dignityop. You should have had their backs, thanks to you her behaviour is very likely to deteriorate further as there are no consequences in your family for bullying a child.

Firethehorse · 09/10/2024 03:27

LewishamMumNow · 07/10/2024 11:37

Ultimately SIL is worried sick about her son who's life chances are affected. He's in a shit school because of creaming off; and then his chances of moving to a better one are thrown further down the pipe because of creaming off. SIL is right about the "contextualised" placements - why should sixth forms ignore this? Tell your DS to understand and accept that he is very privileged, and his results are not "earned" in the same way as that of others.

Absolutely do not tell your son any such thing unless every parent whose child attends an excellent state school also feels the need to do this and have their children’s grades also contextualised (for fairness of course).
It seems some ‘parents’ feel they should have the right to abolish the choice of private education for other parents and then believe the children affected should not have the same right to state education at the better schools as their own children.
If a policy makes parents move children to state schools what did you think was going to be the consequence?
Who are you to now add barriers to where any other children than your own are state educated? After all, you are getting exactly what was supposedly desired - the mix of students and abilities within the state system.
For the record I was state educated and feel no such anger, contempt and need to put others down - we are talking about children here.

T1Dmama · 09/10/2024 01:36

I think your kids are old enough and hopefully mature enough to have a conversation with about this.. and then to make their own decision about whether to attend or not!
Sit them down, explain to them that the system is shite, that they have been incredibly lucky to have private education, that sadly their cousin has been disadvantaged & that because of all the private kids applying for the school it is reality that their cousin may not get in… explain their aunt was upset that her son is disadvantaged AGAIN because they couldn’t afford to pay private fees and she’s upset by this, and sensitive / worried about his future prospects … and while she lives and cares about them both her son will obviously always be her priority and his happiness and success is her main worry… remind them people say things they don’t mean when backed into a corner and your sons question probably caused a defensive response rather than a thought out one!…
Validate their feelings… it’s ok for them to feel upset and offended by her comment, you do too to a degree BUT do they really want this discussion to be the end of their relationship with their aunt and uncle and cousin?!….. because not attending the wedding might just escalate everything and cause a huge family rift that won’t ever be able to be mended as she’ll only have this wedding once and once they’ve missed it they don’t ever get the chance to mend that!…. Tell them you’ll respect their decision but want them to think it over and give it some real thought and not just an angry reaction…. Give them as long as they need….
As for SIL I wouldn’t mention it to her that they’re want to drop out or ask her if she still wants them because again you’re backing her into a corner and she might respond defensively and say ‘if they don’t want to then sod you all!’….. I wouldn’t mention it unless your kids actually decide 100% that they’re not going…. But the kids need to be aware that even that even their grandparents and other family members will be angry that the bride was upset & this really could cause huge family rifts!

pineapplesundae · 09/10/2024 01:05

Sounds like your family can show a little grace and forgive sil this time. She's concerned about her son and that's understandable. Time to hug it out and never discuss school again.

Talipesmum · 09/10/2024 00:47

Lots of people here still whipping up outrage when the OP and her family have sensibly and calmly talked their way through a very sensitive and complex conversation and all come out looking like adults, understanding each other’s perspectives a lot better. Well done OP - wishing your whole family good luck.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 09/10/2024 00:35

"My MIL called to check on us and I did talk her through everything. I think SIL hasn't been entirely honest ... and MIL was genuinely surprised that he perhaps wouldn't get the necessary grades"

Why tell your MIL SIL has been dishonest about her son's grades?
Maybe she didn't want her mother fussing about it and has been trying to keep the pressure off her son. It would be doing the son a favour if everyone in the family on all sides, including his cousins, just stopped discussing his predicted future.

Anonymouseposter · 08/10/2024 22:44

Savingthehedgehogs · 08/10/2024 20:21

I am just staggered you said you were ‘disappointed’ in your own children. What have I just read?! 😱
Your poor kids. That’s all I am saying.

Edited

I disagree. I think OP has handled it very well.

DenimMember · 08/10/2024 22:28

DelphiniumBlue · 08/10/2024 22:10

Op, given your recent update which seems to suggest that PiL might in fact chip in for school fees if necessary, I wanted to flag up that as SiL is a single parent, it may be that nephew might get some sort of bursary.
If she has always been against private education, that might be something that hasn't been explored yet .
I really admire the way you have been so open and reasonable about all this, what a great example to your DC!

I don't understand the single parent fuss. Presumably as her WEDDING is in 3 weeks. She hasn't been a single parent for a while.

DenimMember · 08/10/2024 22:22

Surprised that nobody else has pointed this out....but your SIL clearly hasn't benefited from her very privileged upbringing. Maybe that's why she'd taking it out on your children.

Even 3-5 decades ago private school and a SAHM was for the reasonably well off

Reassure her that your kids could turn out exactly like her. So she has nothing to worry about r.e. privilege. Kids can get bullied anywhere and she's a lone parent who can't even afford tutoring (although will now have a husband - so I guess she'll have more money now?)

Didn't do her much good did it? The erm privilege

Scottishskifun · 08/10/2024 22:17

@comfortablynumber your SIL, MIL and maybe your DH can sort out tutors there is still time for your nephew to get the grades if he put the work in and gets support doing so but he needs to start ASAP in order to pull it around.

Yes it's expensive but your SIL needs to help him and if your MIL is able to assist then it's definitely a solution which csn help him pull up.

For what it's worth I was never a A grade student, I am dyslexic and struggled through my GSCEs but got enough passes to go to 6th form. Every layer of education I have done I have improved from Cs in my GCSEs to a distinction and publication at masters level. It takes hard work and for me to do the work and take all the assistanceI could (also went to inner city state school).

DelphiniumBlue · 08/10/2024 22:10

Op, given your recent update which seems to suggest that PiL might in fact chip in for school fees if necessary, I wanted to flag up that as SiL is a single parent, it may be that nephew might get some sort of bursary.
If she has always been against private education, that might be something that hasn't been explored yet .
I really admire the way you have been so open and reasonable about all this, what a great example to your DC!

InterIgnis · 08/10/2024 22:07

sandyhappypeople · 08/10/2024 22:02

They are empathising with (this is the word you are looking for, not 'excusing') SIL because people in positions of privilege shouldn't be telling people less fortunate than themselves how to feel, especially about topics they know fuck all about, which is exactly what OPs son was doing.

SIL is allowed to rant about the state of education in the country and how it is effecting HER AND HER CHILD with her own family, without someone wading it and telling her she is being unreasonable for feeling that way, THAT is what started 'the argument'.

Edited

They can feel however the fuck they like 🤷🏻‍♀️

The issue isn’t how the SIL feels, the issue is how she chooses to act on those feelings - by lashing out at her 15 year old nephew because he said he was looking forward to his new school.

Mrspenfold123 · 08/10/2024 22:06

Well, they are old enough to decide whether they want to go to her wedding or not. The only route to a happy life seems to me to be to start by calling SIL (or getting DH to) with this message:
”It’s sad things got so fraught when we were talking about schooling. The children were both very upset about the whole thing. I assume you don’t want this to change the wedding arrangements. I told them that sometimes people disagree about things and that’s OK - we can still be friends, but they really need to hear the same thing from you. Can you make some peace with them and love bomb them a bit so that they aren’t worried about this affecting the wedding?”

See how she responds and take it from there.

Allfur · 08/10/2024 22:02

InterIgnis · 08/10/2024 21:56

Jesus Christ, the gymnastics.

He’s a 15 year old that told his family that he’s looking forward to his new school. That’s not a political statement. The SIL is a grown ass woman capable of controlling her reactions. Instead, she chose to be a dick about it.

Surely we should be able to disagree, without bringing jesus into it.

sandyhappypeople · 08/10/2024 22:02

InterIgnis · 08/10/2024 21:30

Except OP said that was her response to her nephew’s innocuous comment. Yes, unsurprisingly one side reacted to being lashed out at, not unjustifiably.

It’s funny how many people are excusing the SIL because of their own feelings on private education. Of course he’s a ‘Tarquin’, how could he not be in the wrong?

They are empathising with (this is the word you are looking for, not 'excusing') SIL because people in positions of privilege shouldn't be telling people less fortunate than themselves how to feel, especially about topics they know fuck all about, which is exactly what OPs son was doing.

SIL is allowed to rant about the state of education in the country and how it is effecting HER AND HER CHILD with her own family, without someone wading it and telling her she is being unreasonable for feeling that way, THAT is what started 'the argument'.

InterIgnis · 08/10/2024 21:56

Allfur · 08/10/2024 21:51

Education is a hot potato of a topic, therefore, not so innocuous.

Jesus Christ, the gymnastics.

He’s a 15 year old that told his family that he’s looking forward to his new school. That’s not a political statement. The SIL is a grown ass woman capable of controlling her reactions. Instead, she chose to be a dick about it.

Allfur · 08/10/2024 21:51

InterIgnis · 08/10/2024 21:47

How is ‘I’m looking forward to starting my new school’ not an innocuous comment? How is it a statement that invites SIL to share her opinion?

SIL has been making snide comments to OP and her brother for years. Sounds like she’s more partial to sitting and seething.

Education is a hot potato of a topic, therefore, not so innocuous.

InterIgnis · 08/10/2024 21:47

Allfur · 08/10/2024 21:43

It wasn't an innocuous comment. Its not about excusing anyone. People are allowed to disagree and move on. It's part of life.

How is ‘I’m looking forward to starting my new school’ not an innocuous comment? How is it a statement that invites SIL to share her opinion?

SIL has been making snide comments to OP and her brother for years. Sounds like she’s more partial to sitting and seething.

Fedupwithteenagers24 · 08/10/2024 21:47

OP. Well done. You sound fantastic. I hope the wedding is fantastic x

Allfur · 08/10/2024 21:43

InterIgnis · 08/10/2024 21:30

Except OP said that was her response to her nephew’s innocuous comment. Yes, unsurprisingly one side reacted to being lashed out at, not unjustifiably.

It’s funny how many people are excusing the SIL because of their own feelings on private education. Of course he’s a ‘Tarquin’, how could he not be in the wrong?

It wasn't an innocuous comment. Its not about excusing anyone. People are allowed to disagree and move on. It's part of life.

InterIgnis · 08/10/2024 21:30

Allfur · 08/10/2024 21:26

I doubt she 'went off immediately, although it sounds like both sides 'went off'.

Except OP said that was her response to her nephew’s innocuous comment. Yes, unsurprisingly one side reacted to being lashed out at, not unjustifiably.

It’s funny how many people are excusing the SIL because of their own feelings on private education. Of course he’s a ‘Tarquin’, how could he not be in the wrong?

Allfur · 08/10/2024 21:26

InterIgnis · 08/10/2024 21:19

When did she express concern? She ‘went off’ because her nephew made a comment about looking forward to his new school.

That isn’t expressing concern, that’s being a dickhead.

Edited

I doubt she 'went off immediately, although it sounds like both sides 'went off'.