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How much do you need to earn for 3 kids?

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Allthegoodnamesaregonegone · 07/10/2024 09:58

When you don’t live in London and have very average expenses?

for arguments sake, I googled and saw the average mortgage is £1400
average heating for 4/5 people is £200 a month (British Gas website)

assume no ‘bad debts’ and no private school

id love another kid, if possible, but I do see on here often on the cost of a third and that being a large factor, so I’d like to understand what is the amount people think you need to earn pre tax to live comfortably with 3.

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Allthegoodnamesaregonegone · 07/10/2024 16:44

speedmop · 07/10/2024 15:56

no it was more that the previous Op kept listing all her expenditure and savings and it just didn’t tally with income!

Oh ok, well I don’t think I’ve done that here, I’ve not seen that post so I don’t know

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Sweetpeasaremadeforbees · 07/10/2024 16:31

It’s not what everyone has but what one thinks one would need with the assumption of very average expenses, that’s different.

But nobody can come up with a figure for that because it requires too many assumptions and a person's attitude to risk. I am very risk averse but I'd rather have two healthy children and loads of savings than just about be able to afford three. What if one of you is made redundant/becomes long term ill/the third child has disabilities that will affect your working?

And I'm surprised that you're only saving £50 a month per child, by the time they're old enough to drive that will pay for about one driving lesson a month. And I'm not convinced you'll get enough from a stocks and shares ISA from just paying in CB to pay for Uni. In fact I'm surprised you get CB, from your outgoings I assumed your income would be higher.

speedmop · 07/10/2024 16:22

do you both work full time?

speedmop · 07/10/2024 16:21

ah so eldest in school, sorry missed that

speedmop · 07/10/2024 16:12

Allthegoodnamesaregonegone · 07/10/2024 15:59

I have one child on 15 funded hrs who does 4 days in nursery and one child who has full wrap 2 days a week, fees went up for the first time in 7 years. And it’s £650 a month before TF childcare.

eldest is in school.

when they were both in nursery nursery one 30hrs but with wrap and one non funded it was £850 pre TF

what do you do for all the other childcare needed?

how old is your eldest?

Allthegoodnamesaregonegone · 07/10/2024 15:59

speedmop · 07/10/2024 15:54

what LA?

what is your “low” childcare costs?

os your eldest at school yet?

I have one child on 15 funded hrs who does 4 days in nursery and one child who has full wrap 2 days a week, fees went up for the first time in 7 years. And it’s £650 a month before TF childcare.

eldest is in school.

when they were both in nursery nursery one 30hrs but with wrap and one non funded it was £850 pre TF

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foodforclouds · 07/10/2024 15:57

Soitis83 · 07/10/2024 10:03

DH is on 33k a year, I'm currently a SAHM with 3 under 5. We do absolutely fine, but saying that, our mortgage is only 300.

300????? Where do you live!!?? Are these houses on sale??

speedmop · 07/10/2024 15:56

Allthegoodnamesaregonegone · 07/10/2024 15:52

No I haven’t. Maybe we work in similar/ the same industry? The industry im in, these are pretty standard benefits across the board with little distinction between companies? And the rest of my bills are pretty dang average

no it was more that the previous Op kept listing all her expenditure and savings and it just didn’t tally with income!

speedmop · 07/10/2024 15:55

speedmop · 07/10/2024 15:44

we do 2 holidays a year abroad and a uk one, last year we spent 4.5k (Disneyland Paris, centre parcs and a 5 AI abroad, so not camping*

come again?! £4.5k on
2 adults and 2 children

Disneyland paris
5* AI
and centre parks

can you provide the breakdown because i can’t fathom!

intrigued to know how you got these 3 holidays for £4.5k. Pls put me out of my misery! 😆

speedmop · 07/10/2024 15:54

Allthegoodnamesaregonegone · 07/10/2024 15:52

Yes, that’s correct

what LA?

what is your “low” childcare costs?

os your eldest at school yet?

Allthegoodnamesaregonegone · 07/10/2024 15:52

speedmop · 07/10/2024 15:50

You LA massively subsides nursery fees and it’s non means tested?

Yes, that’s correct

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MyOtherCarisAVauxhallZafira · 07/10/2024 15:52

We earn roughly the same, maybe a little more. We have one DC. When I took mat leave I lost nearly 30k in salary alone even with enhanced mat pay. We are both in public sector roles with good defined benefit pensions, sick pay, annual leave etc.

Holidays in school holidays are far more expensive than term time, I'm also fussy in that I don't go on holiday to share a bedroom with DS for a fortnight. We've booked the first two weeks of summer hols next year AI greek islands 4* rather than 5 and will still hire a car and go off exploring so will need spends on top. That's £6.5k for 3 of us for the basic holiday without extras.
We've also got a long weekend European city break booked (family wedding)

We only run one car at the moment and it's owned outright, we both work locally and DH cycles everywhere. Saving is important to me, we save £700 jointly per month, £150 for DS and I usually save a couple of hundred personally from my fun money. We've just booked to have our kitchen renovated and will pay for that cash. I hate debt/finance.

DS does the clubs and activities he wants, we go to the theatre etc regularly, if something happens to the car/house we can afford to fix it, I don't worry about money, I'd have to be an awful lot more careful with 3.

Allthegoodnamesaregonegone · 07/10/2024 15:52

speedmop · 07/10/2024 15:48

have you posted before about your finances?

sounds so similar to another poster and by the end everyone was saying that you’re family income was like Mary Poppins handbag…. it just kept on and on giving despite the figures not really adding up!

No I haven’t. Maybe we work in similar/ the same industry? The industry im in, these are pretty standard benefits across the board with little distinction between companies? And the rest of my bills are pretty dang average

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speedmop · 07/10/2024 15:50

You LA massively subsides nursery fees and it’s non means tested?

speedmop · 07/10/2024 15:48

Allthegoodnamesaregonegone · 07/10/2024 15:45

The total sum of our savings for our children yes, but total aggregate sum, no. We save between £300-£500 each, so between £600 and £1000 a month. Normally around the £350/£400 each mark, so £700-£800 a month.

pension is defined contribution through work, around 14% each (personal contributions 4 and 5%)

health insurance, CIC, life insurance, IP all through work discounter and deducted pre tax.

have you posted before about your finances?

sounds so similar to another poster and by the end everyone was saying that you’re family income was like Mary Poppins handbag…. it just kept on and on giving despite the figures not really adding up!

Panicmode1 · 07/10/2024 15:48

We have four....childcare costs when they are little are big, but having four teens and possibly 3 at uni at the same time is very expensive - and terrifying when one's husband has been made redundant recently....! We were very comfortably supporting them all easily but had an income significantly into 6 figures.

Things to consider when they are older - phone contracts driving lessons, tech (IE laptops for school) x 4, shoes/trainers/clothes etc plus extracurriculars and school trips. Ours are/were at state grammar, so no fees but so far this (school year) we are have been asked to fund a trip to China, a ski trip to Italy, an A level art trip, DoE - on top of £1000 a month for rent x 2 for our uni students. Obviously we don't have to say yes, but the school is excellent and it's why we chose it - because they do offer amazing opportunities beyond the norm. Luckily they aren't sporty or we'd be looking at rugby trips to Canada and cricket trips to Dubai too.

Allthegoodnamesaregonegone · 07/10/2024 15:45

speedmop · 07/10/2024 15:37

would that be the sum total of your savings (holidays aside)

pension?

The total sum of our savings for our children yes, but total aggregate sum, no. We save between £300-£500 each, so between £600 and £1000 a month. Normally around the £350/£400 each mark, so £700-£800 a month.

pension is defined contribution through work, around 14% each (personal contributions 4 and 5%)

health insurance, CIC, life insurance, IP all through work discounter and deducted pre tax.

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speedmop · 07/10/2024 15:44

we do 2 holidays a year abroad and a uk one, last year we spent 4.5k (Disneyland Paris, centre parcs and a 5 AI abroad, so not camping*

come again?! £4.5k on
2 adults and 2 children

Disneyland paris
5* AI
and centre parks

can you provide the breakdown because i can’t fathom!

speedmop · 07/10/2024 15:41

Allthegoodnamesaregonegone · 07/10/2024 12:06

I think it’s the childcare when they are young. We’re lucky our bill has never been that crazy high, even with 2 children in nursery, but that’s because our nursery is subsidised by the LA

how much do you pay in childcare as “low” means different things!

Is your eldest at school?

speedmop · 07/10/2024 15:39

Childcare costs are low, youngest is nearly 3.

can you be sure that the family member currently providing childcare will continue to? presuming that why costs are low

speedmop · 07/10/2024 15:38

is your partner also very keen?

speedmop · 07/10/2024 15:37

Allthegoodnamesaregonegone · 07/10/2024 13:37

That concerns me slightly less, we’d save £50 a month +CB for that child too, which wouldn’t impact our life really. We open with £1k and then make monthly payments and top up adhoc with any money they get given. It’s in a stocks and shares isa so that should be sufficient if they go to uni and want to live away from home

would that be the sum total of your savings (holidays aside)

pension?

Allthegoodnamesaregonegone · 07/10/2024 13:37

samedifferent · 07/10/2024 13:31

You are likely signing up to working for longer to get everyone through Uni and launched looking at my friends. Only you will know if another dc makes sense to you.

That concerns me slightly less, we’d save £50 a month +CB for that child too, which wouldn’t impact our life really. We open with £1k and then make monthly payments and top up adhoc with any money they get given. It’s in a stocks and shares isa so that should be sufficient if they go to uni and want to live away from home

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samedifferent · 07/10/2024 13:31

You are likely signing up to working for longer to get everyone through Uni and launched looking at my friends. Only you will know if another dc makes sense to you.

samedifferent · 07/10/2024 13:29

ShamblesRock · 07/10/2024 12:26

I have three children, it is important to remember that whilst babies and small children can be cheap, teenagers are not so much. Even a night away (when travelling) involves two rooms at the likes of a Premier Inn.

University, even with pretty much a full maintenance loan I am having to top up DD. So far, thankfully, neither her or my 16 year want driving lessons but that is another expense.

I know a lot of things are a choice, but it is important to factor that in.

I agree with this. The cost isn't the baby stage but the teen one.
University and driving being two big ones.