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AIBU to market this as a 4 bedroom house?

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MommaDuck · 06/10/2024 22:23

Keeping this really simple, with an awful diagram…sorry!
I originally moved in to a 3 bed house, decent size living room and dining room. Very small kitchen.

I have now done some Reno work.

I have my 4 boys who are all upstairs- all bedrooms have had double beds, computers, wardrobes etc- good sizes. One room now has bunk beds instead of a double for little ones.

My room is now what was the old living room. Big room 3.5x3.5 fits my super king bed and fitted wardrobes etc. Has a double window that faces front garden (blinds and bushes for privacy).

Extension… old kitchen now utility area and downstairs shower and toilet (this is for me as boys have upstairs bathroom).

End of hallway is a large L shape kitchen/diner with living area (this is the old dining room).

So new kitchen diner is 6x6m has a large island 3x1.8m and a dining table that seats 8, plus room for a sofa down at bifold doors. So definitely big enough to be a kitchen/diner in its own right without being a squeeze.

The new living area- knocked the wall through so all open plan into kitchen/diner. A large sofa sits all 6 of us comfortably. Log burner, TV etc. a living room in its own right as well.

Now, I know how much mumsnetters have had to say when it comes to 3 bed houses marketed as a 4 bed when the fourth bedroom is tiny, or no window, or small skylight or is downstairs etc. Whilst the bedroom is downstairs, it is plenty big where it was the old living room, so surely size wouldn’t play a factor?

Husband says can absolutely market as 4 bed, as now has downstairs bathroom and the living area and new front room is all a completely separate space- I am unsure.

I know estate agent will market as 4 bed as they want to maximise their sale etc.

My floorplan drawing is shit… apologies. However, would you be pissed off if you came to view this marketed as a four bed- presumably you’d have seen the floor plan first? I don’t want to waste peoples time or drag it out.

You are not being unreasonable - Market as 4 bed.
You are being unreasonable- market as a 3 bed don’t waste people’s valuable time.

AIBU to market this as a 4 bedroom house?
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Redlettuce · 07/10/2024 09:27

MommaDuck · 06/10/2024 22:40

Interesting a lot of people wouldn’t want a downstairs bedroom… me and the hubby love it for a bit of space away from the kids and a bit of us time uninterrupted! It’s fantastic for us haha! I also love that I have my own bathroom down here- the smelly boys aren’t allowed in here so it stays clean!
It’s funny we all want and see different things!
your opinions are great guys, and helpful thank you!

I wonder if those saying 3 bed don't need 4 bedrooms. We have 4 kids as well and would definitely consider a house with a downstairs bedroom. Or people could use as a guest room/study.

KimberleyClark · 07/10/2024 09:26

for me I would be annoyed about the fitted wardrobes in the living room as I would have to rip them out,

Could they not be converted to open shelves?

MommaDuck · 07/10/2024 09:25

HarrietBond · 07/10/2024 09:08

It’s a lovely room, OP, and looks really comfortable. But I’d definitely want a separate space to work in, and for the kids to play loud games (not at the same time!). It looks like it works really well for your family and may well for others but it won’t be for everyone.

I think this is a really fair point. The youngest is now 8, so we don’t have lots of toys as such and games tend to be weekend family games. But I think for a family with tiny children a separate space for toys etc might be better. Although it would be nice to be able to cook and prep stuff whilst being able to keep an eye on little ones playing. So maybe they could use our now bedroom as the family lounge and then our current front room as a play room.

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bookmarket · 07/10/2024 09:23

No, it's not a 4 bedroom house. The only time I think it's just about okay to market a house as having an extra downstairs bedroom is if the garage has been converted to a bedroom and ensuite or a room built on the side of the house specifically to be a bedroom and ensuite. - the other side of the hallway.You don't have enough rooms downstairs. People like two reception rooms because they work from home or want a playroom - not to all live in one room. Even if the lounge can be separated, it has no window and still only leaves a kitchen diner.

MommaDuck · 07/10/2024 09:23

Blondeshavemorefun · 07/10/2024 09:07

@MommaDuck can you add sliding doors so shut off the sofa bit as a Separate living room. Yes I know no windows but ,,,,,,,

Yes defiantly could. We were going to but I wanted to keep it open so we can all socialise when in the different parts. You could have glass doors and still there would be light from the skylight and bifolds.

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MommaDuck · 07/10/2024 09:21

Sendwineandchocolate · 07/10/2024 09:06

Hahaha I feel like we used the same company !!

For the kitchen?

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ELMhouse · 07/10/2024 09:18

MommaDuck · 06/10/2024 22:59

The problem with a should be dining area is: if that were a dining area it would leave a space of about 3x6m in the kitchen area with nothing in it. It would be like a bare room if that makes sense.
The dining table was lost in the kitchen so much so we added an extra sofa in there to fill the space.

Entirely depends on who is buying at the end of the day. Your snug area would make a great ‘playroom’ as we could be in the kitchen and little ones playing and we can see them. So having the ‘empty space’ in the kitchen I would use for a dining table.

Families with young children often can’t/don’t want to have separate bedrooms on separate floors due to wanting to be near the children.

And funnily enough I read recently the ‘trend’ for closed off living rooms is coming back into fashion too. People liking a closed of area to retire to or not having kitchen noice and smells in the living room. And for me when the kids have their mates over I love them being grown level (so not all tucked in bedrooms) but also not ‘yelping’ whilst me and hubby are in the kitchen - or vice versa.

so again this will totally depend on who/what sort of family buys the house as to how they utilise the rooms.

for me I would be annoyed about the fitted wardrobes in the living room as I would have to rip them out,

MommaDuck · 07/10/2024 09:18

Well it’s defo a mixed bag.
But the general consensus is market as a 3 bed with an additional possible living space or fourth bedroom. This is what we will opt for. I think this is transparent and sensible!

I’m amazed about people who mentioned kids playing instruments and needing the separate space- we are very clearly from different demographics; neither my children nor any of my friends are wacking out a violin in the evenings or needing a music room for a piano 🤣 They might play three blind mice on a recorder at best for two weeks of the year as dictated by the year 2 curriculum, but after that the recorder would be binned due to my sensitive ears!!

Some of you hate open space… we’re very family-oriented and cooking whilst the kids are chilling and chatting to one another etc really works for us.

Take yesterday…. I was baking with my oldest, the little one was snuggled with Dad watching some TV, yet we all could still chat adhoc and it feels comforting. I am surprised at how many want a designated space for the kids to bugger off. That space for me is the kids bedrooms when they want computer time. When we’re downstairs we all want our family time. I completely get, each to their own though.

To those who think any room smaller than 3.5x3.5 should be a study, not a bedroom… so sorry we’re part of the peasant population over here. Once again, that does not fit the local demographic. To be able to fit a double bed in a bedroom here is certain to considered a good size room, not a study.

And to the poster who mentioned marketing it as a library room, thanks for the laughs you had me and DH howling. I actually love reading and have books on my nightstand, but that’s as fas as my “library” goes!

Thanks for the laughs Mumsnet! And the raw honesty as always! I appreciate the opinions and it’s really interesting to hear all sides.

Also sorry to those who would be “infuriated’ to open my listing as a 4 bed when it’s a 2 bed or 3 at best 🙈… fear not…. It’ll be marketed as a 3 bed!
I will defo come back an update and let you know what the consensus is from the viewings though, that’ll be interesting.

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Notwhatuwanttohear · 07/10/2024 09:17

That is a 3 bed with an open plan kitchen/diner.

That sofa room isn't a separate living space.

The bedroom is the front room.

pinkdelight · 07/10/2024 09:15

Just putting a bed in a 2nd reception room doesn't make it a bedroom.

This can't be true - for instance, if you imagine this house has been split into flats, the ground floor would be a one-bed flat, and work well as that. Developers turn reception rooms into bedrooms all the time. However I agree that here the 3-4 bedroom solution makes sense, and if you have to pin it down, then 3-bed is the fairest option. The photos of the living space are very nice but it's still very much sofas in/off a big kitchen, which would not work for many families at all. We had an open plan living space when the kids were little but now put the walls back in and really, really glad of the separate spaces which make much more sense even for a family with 2 DC never mind more.

I agree it's a shame about the fitted wardrobes, they're the thing that put it in this grey area for people who might not see it as a 4-bed but then can't see it as a reception or don't want to do that work to remodel it. But it sounds like OP is in an area where she'll find a buyer relatively easily anyway so perhaps that's less of a concern than it might be elsewhere.

Theonewhogotaway · 07/10/2024 09:13

Actually I think adding doors would have resolved this issue. I’m still on its 4 bed.

KimberleyClark · 07/10/2024 09:12

My childhood home was a three bed detached with an extra room downstairs which was originally meant to be a garage, but my parents,buying off plan had it made into a room and had a separate garage built. The room was used as a playroom, then a study/extra sitting room, then finally mum used it as a bedroom when she could no longer use the stairs. When the house eventually had to be sold it was marketed as 3/4 bedroom.

Blondeshavemorefun · 07/10/2024 09:09

Then put

Massive kitchen diner living area all open planned but shuttered doors can give privacy to the living area where sofa is

Bedroom 4 / separate lounge

3 bedrooms upstairs

HarrietBond · 07/10/2024 09:08

It’s a lovely room, OP, and looks really comfortable. But I’d definitely want a separate space to work in, and for the kids to play loud games (not at the same time!). It looks like it works really well for your family and may well for others but it won’t be for everyone.

Blondeshavemorefun · 07/10/2024 09:07

@MommaDuck can you add sliding doors so shut off the sofa bit as a Separate living room. Yes I know no windows but ,,,,,,,

icouldholditwithacobweb · 07/10/2024 09:06

There are loads of houses in London like this, which have been extended and what was the lounge is now a downstairs bedroom. Market it as a 4-bed, it's a very generous fourth bedroom and as you say, people will see the floorplan and realise one bedroom is downstairs.

Plus as pps have said, the downstairs room and shower will be a big plus point to some who have people visit who cannot manage stairs.

Sendwineandchocolate · 07/10/2024 09:06

MommaDuck · 07/10/2024 09:03

Whoops not sure all the photos went on

Hahaha I feel like we used the same company !!

MommaDuck · 07/10/2024 09:03

Whoops not sure all the photos went on

AIBU to market this as a 4 bedroom house?
AIBU to market this as a 4 bedroom house?
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Anonymous2224 · 07/10/2024 09:02

ThisIsAlmostHalloween · 07/10/2024 08:51

I think putting built in wardrobes in a downstairs reception room was very short sighted.

People wanting 4 bedrooms won't want this house.

People who want a downstairs office or 2nd reception room will.
But you've put wardrobes in there...

I actually think there’s a huge market for this type of house, people who need a 4th bed for frequent family visiting, an adult child off at uni, an elderly parent who lives with them and a bedroom on the ground floor suits them. It’s quite versatile. I think marketing it as a 3 bed will cut off a lot of those type of buyers who will discount it and not look at the floor plan. Marketing it as a 3/4 bed sorts this out. Most people know when they see 3/4 it usually means an extra room on the ground floor to be used as living space/ office/ another bedroom.

MommaDuck · 07/10/2024 09:00

Some people are struggling with my sizing and don’t get where I’m getting 20ft wide from…..
The room is L shape.

when you walk in you enter the kitchen which is 6x6m then the room off of it is 3.5x3.8. The total length of the longest wall is just under 10m.

The pictures might help explain.

AIBU to market this as a 4 bedroom house?
AIBU to market this as a 4 bedroom house?
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Bellyblueboy · 07/10/2024 08:59

I would be cross. It’s a three bed with the sitting room currently used as a bedroom.

most people would use it as a sitting room.

YaWeeFurryBastard · 07/10/2024 08:58

MommaDuck · 07/10/2024 08:50

We had a family murder mystery games night on the sofa Friday night with snacks on the footstool and we relaxed together all evening. It was lovely.
mom not disagreeing with you saying it’s a 3 bed, but we certainly all fit in there and I have two teens who are nearly 6ft and a 6.4ft husband. The space really isn’t an issue for us. It’s more about whether others would prefer a separate space.

It must be very tight though and not what many people would consider a proper living room. The sofa you’ve posted is a 4 seater (one cushion per bottom plus a footstool) so only has room to seat 4 comfortably without being squashed up. I have a similar sized sofa. Great if it works for you but many people would consider that way too small of a living room for 5 people and therefore the extra downstairs room definitely needed as a reception.

coffeesaveslives · 07/10/2024 08:58

MommaDuck · 06/10/2024 22:40

Interesting a lot of people wouldn’t want a downstairs bedroom… me and the hubby love it for a bit of space away from the kids and a bit of us time uninterrupted! It’s fantastic for us haha! I also love that I have my own bathroom down here- the smelly boys aren’t allowed in here so it stays clean!
It’s funny we all want and see different things!
your opinions are great guys, and helpful thank you!

I don't think it's the ground floor that's necessarily the issue, more that a lot of people wouldn't want to be sleeping on a separate floor to their children.

Alli88 · 07/10/2024 08:56

My friend used her "living room as a 4th bedroom, they had an extension and another living space there and it was fine. You're open plan area is huge so more than enough to market as a 4 bed. Ultimately buyers will decide if it works for them but go for it as a 4 bed. Good luck it looks like a beautiful layout.

MommaDuck · 07/10/2024 08:55

ThisIsAlmostHalloween · 07/10/2024 08:51

I think putting built in wardrobes in a downstairs reception room was very short sighted.

People wanting 4 bedrooms won't want this house.

People who want a downstairs office or 2nd reception room will.
But you've put wardrobes in there...

Not really, it had to function for us whilst we lived here. That’s more important than worrying about the future buyers. It really would take my husband around an hour to rip it all out. It’s not a huge job.

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