Baby P witch hunt

It's a terrible photo. It's certainly not evidence of brain damage.

Her part in concealing sustained abuse for a prolonged period, strongly suggests otherwise.

Whilst I don't think we should assess mental capacity from photographs, I think if you look at other photos of her you'll see very different images.

@the7Vabo If you look at the mugshot of Tracey Connelly I think it's fairly obvious that she has some sort of brain damage. It is often the case with women who commit awful crimes. Usually they've been badly beaten by a man (either as a child or an adult) or in some cases quite literally dropped on their head as a baby, and just don't have the same cognitive abilities as other people.

I am a children’s social worker and this is mine and my colleagues worst fear that a parent could do this and we don’t or can’t see it, people can be so cunning and manipulative it’s awful and then there are parents who just refuse to engage, the law is not on ours or the children’s side and the process to remove children is too long and convoluted- things still need to change, and some of the excuses for partners that people allow around children are beyond belief but they will not believe a word said against them, it’s extremely frustrating

It's no excuse. As I said earlier, Rose West had a low IQ and history of severe childhood abuse as did Fred, but they both knew what they were doing was wrong. Rose therefore faced the full extent of the law.

The idea of a mother harming her child is so abhorrent that we make excuses for their behaviour. However her bf Barker had an IQ of 60 and claims to also have been abused yet no one is making excuses for him.

There's no evidence that Connelly had a low IQ or any kind of disability. She was abused but rather than making her a victim it's just as likely to make her a perpetrator. A psychologist said:

What I see happening is that the mother can develop a narcissistic attitude or way of relating to their child as an extension of themselves and goes on to treat the child with the cruelty, contempt and neglect that they were exposed to themselves.

She was described by the judge as selfish, calculating and manipulative. Her son suffered months of abuse and Connelly was visited many times by agencies yet she colluded with the abuser. She wasn't the victim of abuse, two weeks before Peter died she wrote online about how she was "madly in love with the most amazing guy".

When Barker moved in Peter began to be significantly abused and Connelly turned a blind eye. The judge said that her denial of what was going on defies belief and he didn't believe her naive innocence.

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It's absolutely impossible that she didn't know what was going on. Barker broke Peter's back then punched him so hard in the face to shut him up that he swallowed a tooth. He had toe and finger nails ripped out, part of his ear lobe was missing as well as cigarette burns and hundreds of other injuries. He also used to set his dogs on him. It's impossible that she didn't witness any of it.

It’s not an excuse. It’s a contributing factor. There’s no excuse.

Yes I thought this about baby Ps dad. If it was all so obvious then why didn't he refuse to hand him back to the mum and make her go through court?

Great! This is very frustrating as I can't get the info but you have it. Can you share the article or evidence that says Connelly has a low IQ or any kind of special needs? Many thanks.

My daughter has an IQ of 56 but she would definitely be able to think to put chocolate spread on a bruise.

Ok, but so? It sounds complacent to say it happens they're sen, so they'll make these choices. It goes back to having decent ss again so when these people are abusing their children, ss can monitor and help remove the child.

@TizerorFizz

Can you give your evidence for this please?

I can't find anywhere that says Connelly had learning difficulties or special needs.

You said:

You cannot go to a boarding school for EBD as it was called without what was then a statement. A child gets no choice. You don’t understand anything if you believe this. Plus you can have both at the same time! You are in care in the holidays. She clearly had special needs and they were recognised.

What I've read contradicts this. She chose to go to the school and didn't have LD or special needs. I'd be interested to read your source.

The Guardian. EBD is a reason to have a statement snd go to a boarding school for such. It doesn’t necessarily mean a lower IQ. Whet it does mean is a very damaged child with extreme difficulties.

Where did you get the information from? According to what I've read she had no learning difficulties:

Connelly claims she was being physically abused, and eventually because of the situation at home with her mother she was taken under the wing of Islington social services along with her relative.

She was given the choice of being placed into care in a children's home or a live-in reform school.
www.theguardian.com/society/2009/aug/11/tracey-connelly-baby-p-mother

She was intelligent enough to know to cover bruising on her child's face with chocolate spread and put him in a pushchair because he was too floppy to sit up.

You cannot go to a boarding school for EBD as it was called without what was then a statement. A child gets no choice. You don’t understand anything if you believe this. Plus you can have both at the same time! You are in care in the holidays. She clearly had special needs and they were recognised.

Yoy don’t understand the sentence either. It was indeterminate with a 5 year minimum. That minimum was possibly too short but it wasn’t called in. Maybe you would all prefer the death penalty? I would not. Women like her don’t make rational decisions about having dc. If you think they do, you know nothing about the behaviour of men.

According to the articles I've read, the house was filthy and covered in feces, both animal and human.

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Her boyfriend trained his rockweiller to bite Peter.

She was a horribly lazy bitch as well.

Connelly didn't have learning difficulties, she was given the choice of going into a care home or to a boarding school and she chose the school. She also got some GCSES and has no LDs.

She was called manipulative by the judge who believed her experience of social services gave her the knowledge of what to say to social services about her son.

She didn't let them know when her new boyfriend moved in and pretended she didn't know her son was being abused. He was covered in injuries at the time of his death including a broken back and had had nails ripped out. Yet she swore she didn't know.

Instead Connelly wrote on social media about how in love she was with her boyfriend.

As said if an animal did what they did to Peter it would be put down, but no they get prison which isn't enough and they don't get it for very long either.
Then the scumbags have got to be monitored all the time. They are forever a drain on society, they were must likely on benefits before they went inside. They have to be kept by the taxpayer while in prison and no doubt on benefits when they are released. Completely useless objects.
Country does not need them.
Most normal people are sick of scumbags like this.
As we have no death penalty perhaps we could help them along the way by leaving some pills in the cell.
The country might be able to afford other things then.

Op you got pushback for this but I agree with you. As an observer of British society today, there are lots of signals pointing to diminished family values. You can read these on mn everyday.

People pushing their kids out the door when they turn 17, or starting to charge rent (cos "it teaches responsibility" like there's no other way of doing so and societies who don't do this are irresponsible people).

Families who don't see each other for years, grannies who shouldn't see or hug their grandkids cos they might meddle too much. Grannies who wish to charge their daughters for taking care of their grandkids.

" Go non contact" is the favourite motto, for every disagreement. I'm not talking about rare abusive situations. Just the general attitude to general disagreement. "My mil came 1 m close to my kid with hot tea. She said I should bathe her more often. So , I'll reduce our visits to once a quarter. "

"I don't like my 5 year old step kid, is that ok?" "oh yes darling that's completely normal just go out when she comes".. on and on.

People won't agree with any of this because they haven't experienced any other way and think its normal. They'll find logic in it, and justify it. But in the end, it is obvious to outsiders that there's something wrong. Yes abuse happens everywhere but the level, here seems high. Family members who want no part in it, not wanting to call ss, not getting involved, not fostering or helping the kids in danger also bothers me so much. Not in every case of course, but it also happens and again is a sign of broken family values.

So why have 4 or more kids then. It's not compulsory.

Also Tracey Connelly had a very unacceptable upbringing. I’ve just been reading article which interviews her mother, It was in the Guardian so free and easy to find. It is absolutely awful, Tracey Connelly was sent to a boarding school for Emotional snd Behavioural needs. You really have severe issues to go to one of these. They are for SEN dc and she would have had a statement. Reading the interview, she had no chance of establishing a loving home for her children.

@PassingStranger You might be happier living in the USA with the death penalty, in the meantime, thank God you are not a judge.

People who have fallen off the cliff in terms of parenting.

Absolutely this! How many times have we seen the absent father bleating about how devastated he is, where the fuck were you!?

You said middle class people have better coping skills. Better than who?