So if your friend lost 5 stone in 6 months .. would you wonder how ?

I think that might be a good idea.

I am quite happy to take up a regular appointment, get checked out and get it for the price of an nhs prescription. Far better for me.

The NHS is well known for being extremely helpful to women and not dismissive at all 🙄. Not a problem for me as my GP is supportive. But I can imagine it being a problem for a lot of women.

But then, people will really feel they can stick the boot into people using it. Since the NHS is paying for it.

Due to what?

I know two people who have had to have their Pancreas out. TWO

Because of this

You do you

It is not HEALTHY for anyone

I did not say you are lucky

I'm not sure this is as reassuring as you think. The MHRA approved OxyContin, requiring that it carries prominent warnings about it's potential addiction.

What many posters on this thread are saying is that unregulated advertising of Mountjaro is skipping over some very important information to allow potential users to weigh up the risks correctly. GP's should be the gatekeepers. But look at how it is being promoted and discounted.

It’s not off-label. It’s licenced by the MHRA for weight loss. I would have thought you’d have known this being involved with clinical sites and all…

I dont think its a good idea OP. I have similar situation like you. I’m comfortable and i offered my pay my bestfriend debt. She was in extremely hard situations back then. Because i know she was struggling i said i dont want the money back. But turned out she feel humiliated and feel that i pitied her. Our friendship become sour and we end up not friend anymore. She just avoiding me. So we are not friend anymore but she isnt pay me back aswell. I dont mind about the money but i really feel regret. She was my bestfriend for 15 years🥲

cloud pharmacy £138

When the cost of the law suits exceeds their profit it will magically disappear.

I think this is an extremely difficult subject to discuss rationally because it’s so emotive.

Individuals who are on Mounjaro or similar are understandably extremely defensive. I completely understand that no one wants this wonder drug whipped away from them especially when it is often succeeding where decades of dieting has failed.

As I understand it, there’s a lack of data around its use in non-diabetic individuals who are within a relatively healthy BMI range.

I also understand that the speed at which individuals lose weight on these injections is what increases the risk of pancreatic complications and gallbladder problems.

For full disclosure, I’m a right hefty chunk 😂 I’m currently dieting and have cleaned up my diet. It’s going well so far (about 8 weeks). I considered the injections but I don’t want to risk pancreatic or gallbladder complications- they’re both quite nasty. I wouldn’t take them if they were free. Not because I’m superior in any way, but because I just know I’d be the person with serious complications- I had a blood clot from the COVID jab! I have terrible luck 😂

I understand the health implications of obesity. And I understand why, for some individuals who struggle to lose weight, the injections may be the lesser of two evils.

My issue is that it’s touted around like a casual lifestyle drug. I can’t escape reading about the bloody injections - everyone seems to be taking them!! And I include people with only a small amount of weight to shift. Pick the right supplier and you won’t have to verify the information you provide, and informing your GP isn’t compulsory. Its frighteningly easy to get hold of and people are very nonchalant about lying to get it prescribed.

I think if it was just being used as intended for those who are seriously overweight, the benefits would outweigh the risks. But it’s not being used alongside other measures, and now we’re seeing an increasing number of people who say they will be on a “maintenance dose” for life. Those who are only a tiny bit overweight are using it as an easy option.

I completely understand there are those with metabolic disorders and other medical conditions where these jabs really could make a huge life difference and are necessary.

But aggressive marketing and the MLM-style techniques that give people huge discounts for referring others seems unethical, even though it’s not illegal. I’ve seen posts from people basically saying they are going to get their MJ for £50 a month for the next 6months because they’ve got so many people to sign up.

It’s not what I think is right for a medical treatment that could have serious consequences. And the freebies/discounts don’t encourage people to be honest about their experiences. Independent reviews often talk about experiencing pretty horrible side effects - it’s amazing how no one with a discount code to share has any of these side effects….

I think there’s a place for MJ but I don’t think it’s quite right at the moment. It’s too easily accessed by people it was never designed to treat.

Maybe everything will work out fine and the side effects or complications will be a tiny number of cases. It would be lovely for all concerned and I genuinely wish everyone the very best in losing weight and feeling healthy, however you choose to do it 💐

It's that simple folks. Stop eating processed and refined foods you weren't designed to eat and your body will be healthy. No calorie counting and exercising to lose weight is a waste of time. Calories in calories out is a horrible way to manage your weight.

Why would you pay to continue her prescription of she is now at a healthy weight. She doesn't need to lose any more. She just doesn't need to put it back on.

Losing more would be unhealthy.

A normal healthy diet will keep her where she needs to be.

I should add I was fat until 3 years ago when a health scare shocked me into healthy eating. No calorie counting just lots of fruit, veg, pulses, lots of protein. Low carbs, low fat, very few UFPs, less alcohol. The weight dropped off and my underlying condition faded away.

It can be labour intensive eating this way but it doesn't need to be expensive. I bulk buy pulses and legumes on Amazon and cook huge batches that I freeze. I eat loads of frozen veg that is much cheaper and more convenient than fresh. Same with fruit. I make my own Greek style yogurt with UHT milk. I don't eat much meat but get my protein from eggs and beans and when I do eat meat I batch cook a casserole of chicken thighs or stewing steak that will last for weeks in the freezer. I save money by no longer buying ready meals, takeaways or other unhealthy options.

The fact you both have the same problem suggests you both have a microbiome that’s out of whack. Genetic propensity or perhaps passed from your mum or both.

Have you tried any probiotics ever? Like high doses? Something like Vivomixx or Seed. I wonder if it would help. Your microbiome is not working for you at the moment at all which is unfair!!

I think this would be incredibly kind of you. And, for anyone else who wondered how your friend was affording it, well, it wouldn't be their business.
As usual, on threads about this drug, you have all the "well, why doesn't she rely on diet and exercise?" - but this is a miracle drug. I've struggled with my weight since I was seven years old - that's forty years of struggle. Six months on this drug have solved my weight problems. And, if I need to be on it long-term (as I am for other drugs, as our many people) then, that's fine with me.
You're a good friend, OP.

A Zoe nutrition subscription would be far cheaper and would change eating habits for life potentially, help menopausal symptoms and would actually be healthy!

You could do it together so you support each other.

im not sure of the dynamics of weight loss, health/side effects and money exchange between friends long term.

this could go sour.

What’s your agenda here? Because you are not backing up any of your claims despite being asked numerous times.

Are you just a big pharma critic?

Are you hoping you can fat shame people into weight loss instead? (This never works, btw, and can often have the opposite effect).

Or do you genuinely have concern for people (even if misguided) in which case, share your sources of information regarding these very dangerous drugs so people can learn what you learnt about them.

Also I already do intermittent fasting. I've been doing it for over a year. I basically eat my 2 small meals at 2 and 5 and that's it.

So I already do 21 hours most days without eating. Basically because I'm not interested in food and I need to eat the same so that I can make sure I get enough protein.

Mmmm yeah sure,
You forgot to sign it off Mrs M. Jaro
😂

And this is what I find so utterly dodgy about this drug.
I am getting ads inbetween every bloody you tube video for this and similar drugs at the moment. I’m not even obese and I am having this pushed at me every day. Very aggressive.
on another thread I mentioned Wild West tactics of this drug. Other posters said ‘would you say that for depression drugs or drugs for diabetics etc’ Well I’m not getting any other drug being advertised to me almost daily. That’s the difference.

Ive seen a fair few people managing to get hold of these drugs when they are only a little overweight just to loose a couple of stone. ‘Why not? It curbs your hunger’ they say. But what are the long term effects of this? How wide spread are they going to get? With the aggressive marketing it feels like a large section of the UK are going to be taking these as a quick fix to loosing weight. And then what when you’ve finished your course? Do they have effects that make you eat differently than before when you come off? Are you a reformed character eating wise with a fully working off button and a strong drive for no UPF’s?
Because if not, you will either gain it all back and more. Or you will need to be on this drug for life (and finding the money for life too)

Actually not all studies agree with this.

As with everything some studies agree some do not. You can’t talk like it’s absolute fact.

One of my team landed herself in hospital with fasts such as these.

and it’s not recommended to fast if you already have disorder eating.

Fasting can also make diabetics really sick.

Very few people can fast for 72 hours a week. They're not all diabetic. I was prediabetic until I started mlunjaro. I'm not now.

Great, you've found something that works for you

babyproblems

Nope, just short and menopause.

You do the maths. For 30 years I put on weight at 1300 calories so I tried hard to restrict - and I put on 5 stone. I gained a pound a month because of course for a normal healthy adult 1300 calories wasn't a lot

Then I had 70% of my stomach removed. A revelation ! I could eat 1000 calories and not be hungry

3 years later I've lost 5 stone and I'm still overweight- and I'm starting to put on veeeeery slowly (eating 1000 calories) - and I can't eat less or being hungry comes back

So I do Mounjaro for last 4 months. It takes me down to an average of 600-800 calories and I start to lose weight very slowly, one pound a week.

When I have lost all the weight I will need to maintain at 800 calories - and I will need the drug to do that

Or I will go back to 1000 as I'm hungry and the weight creeps up

Mounjaro kills the hunger and takes me to a place where food is just an easy 2 small meals a day - and I can get on with my life

My sister is on it. She's 5 inches taller, almost a decade younger and started at 25 stone. She is able to eat a lot more - she can eat 1500-1800 at the moment. But that will gradually reduce as she loses weight and she will probably need to eat 1000-1200 for maintenance - again she will need the drug to do it

And why shouldn't she? She will have lost 15 stone of weight. She didn't diet like I did for 30 years.

If you can't not eat for 24 hours 3 times a week you are probably diabetic or close to it. Fasting would actually really help. It boosts growth hormone in your body and causes a state of autophagy which removes pre cancer cells.

Are you able to build muscle? Exercise for 20- 30 mins every day and get out of breath heart pounding? Sorry you have lost family members so young. I feel for you. Being shorter is really difficult with the amount you can eat before putting on weight!