So if your friend lost 5 stone in 6 months .. would you wonder how ?

Ah here you are with your ‘concern’ for obese people. Not passing judgement at all, eh? 🙄

Imagine her own 3 stone in 3 months and her example of the obese person's 5 stone in 6 months, yet it's the latter that she has a problem with. @island2513

Or maybe this poster takes personal responsibility for her health and well being and prizes that instead of eating cake, doughnuts, chips and other crap food whilst sitting on the couch?

Was trying to quote this post. Not sure why it didn't.

Honestly! I'm not sure what Ittook9years is on about. She seems hellbent on being superior to thou regardless of how she gets there. The goalpost keeps moving.

She's also refused to acknowledge that her not getting Covid which she says must be because her (wonderful) diet must have made her immune, should then follow that the diet of the obese people who didn't get Covid either, including those who didn't even get the shots (where she admittedly got some) must have made them immune too.

I don't think she wants to believe some obese people's "inferior" diet and lifestyle could be the same or give the same benefit as her superior diet - or worse be better than hers. I doubted ever give up this argument of hers for that reason.

Did people ask for your advice? You assume people who take this medication can’t possibly have done any research and weigh up the risks/benefits based on what they already know about themselves.

Do you also go round offering unsolicited advice for things like cosmetic surgery, vaping, other new medications for health conditions? Or are you only interested in lazy fat people?

But you said you lost 3 stone in 3 months by being mindful of what you eat. That’s still a stone a month. Because of a calorie deficit. People on the jab still have to eat in a calorie deficit. Why can’t they lose at the same rate you did?

@Gladicalled I guess I'm not just talking about the side effected, but also the risks. Maybe that's one and the same. And definitely the risks of knock off versions are insane, I agree. But only a few posters call out the risks. What if we didn't post? Anyone who posts and naively suggests an alternative is shot down in flames because it is such a personal and emotive subject. I'll probably not bother after this thread. Until one of my kids perhaps decides they're struggling a bit to maintain a certain body and gets hold of this miracle thing from somewhere... I know at that age I'd have been very tempted and I know if I'd managed to get my hands on it at that age I very much doubt I would be here now.

So to me, this type of advertising, it is low. It is immoral. There is already plenty of money to be made where the risk is justified and carefully monitored, so the push to encourage anyone and everyone is pure greed and incredibly irresponsible. We will see where the next few years bring us.

5 stone in 6 months for people that have apparently been struggling for years to lose weight “healthily” seems like a quick fix to me. Especially when it can’t be maintained without the injections. Pharma companies love finding things with a lifetime need.

I’m not saying everyone should do what I do but you have people on this thread saying 601 cals a day will cause weight gain.

I’m saying there should be better support for people whose weight carries a risk of serious health implications. The NHS isn’t doing it, slimming clubs aren’t doing it. I destroyed my metabolism following Michael Moseley’s Fast 800. I gave up dieting after that (once I’d worked hard to restore my metabolism) and instead focused on learning more about the food we eat. That’s what I think people should be supported to do. For me fasting is hugely positive. It won’t be for everyone.

There is absolutely loads of emerging evidence that a diet consisting of significant amounts of UPF is harmful to health. Getting people off that and into real food would be so much better for individuals and society more widely.

So you don’t tell people with anorexia to just eat more.

But have repeatedly kept telling people that they should just do what you do? And it would solve the problem.

So why are you saying that to obese people?

If you are fat why are you telling people if they just ate like you do they wouldn’t be fat? Is that another misleading statement you are making? Again.

You admitted you have no idea what any individual obese person has done before making the decision to use the jabs.

You are advocating for dangerous ways of eating insisting you have the answer. Yet can’t back any of it up.

Do you know what being obese does to people?

And we said before, you took the Covid jab multiple times because you felt the benefits outweighed the risks. But are rude and condescending to people doing the same.

Do you know what damage the Covid vaccine did to people I know? But I still understand why people took it and think it’s their choice. I have had it, multiple times. Because I looked at the benefits vs the risk and made a valid choice for myself.

and the injections are not a quick fix. Clearly something you know nothing about. Again.

I think that’s a fair point .

However on the vast majority of threads side effects are talked about. And MN do move all ‘codes’ posts. Lots of posters on these drugs are more willing to post about side effects.

and when you order the injections all the side effects come with it. If people choose not to read it. Not much can be done. That even happens with medication from a gp.

I do also think MN have let a lot of posters who clearly have eating disorders post all over the website for years and do think they should do better. But I don’t think it’s new since these drugs came out. The competitive under eating threads have always been a common occurrence.

I am more than happy for this drug to move to GPs prescription. I do agree the whole ‘get people to use your code so you get it cheaper’ is unethical. I haven’t claimed there’s no issues with the system.

Yes people are vulnerable. But they are also vulnerable to laxatives being available over the counter. Or slim fast being widely available.

But I do also think that the priority at the moment should be focused on people selling knock odd versions in beauty salons etc. If we are going to prioritise tackling issues, that should be the first one.

No.It is really overstepping and will change rhe dynamic of the friendship.
As you presumably lied to be prescribed MJ, I am sure your friend can just do the same.The suppliers offering big discounts are still not selling at a loss, so as more and more suppliers enter the market place the costs will be driven down

Still not answered anyone who has actually asked you a question. Like do you believe people with anorexia should just start eating?

of course not. the root of lots of eating disorders (including over eating) is mental. There should be more support for that and less “here’s an easy way through meds”.

or is that different because those people aren’t fat so you wouldn’t have more compassion for those people?

you have absolutely no idea whether I’m fat or not.

you have no idea what I’ve seen these quick fixes do to friends and family. I’m beyond angry at what the food and pharmacy industries get away with. Profits above all else while the NHS crumbles trying to sort out the effects.

And damn social media and their algorithms exploiting the vulnerable.

This very post. See click bait title which doesn't even relate to the content of the post. And the three other posts on this product on MN alone withing the last 24 hours - 2 of which offer discount codes.

I believe MN is complicit, because it is allowing those posts with discount codes. They probably think, what's the harm, weight loss, all good here and every company needs to fund itself - I can sympathise. I enjoy the freedom of speech and interesting debate on this website, so we all use it and apply critical thinking - but for certain health related products there should be a higher duty of care. This whole website is funded through advertising. Sure on the fashion threads all the time you see 'should I buy this' with links. Some of those posters are genuine. A good proportion almost certainly aren't. Social media influencers are a cheap and very effective way to advertise.

I find the whole 'hype' around certain drugs really interesting. The discussions around managing weight or HRT almost always become very divisive, because people are struggling and they really need/want a solution - everything has a place, so I am not saying these medications don't have a place - but I am saying that care needs to be taken because those who really want this medication are vulnerable to be taken advantage of and may ignore a proper risk assessment. You only have to look at the recent revelations around the whole Dr Louise Newson /HRT debacle.

You are so rude and condescending.

You admitted above you have no idea what people have tried before they turned to Injections.
Your way of eating isn’t actually healthy according to a lot of studies. Especially for women or those with disordered eating.

Its also really popular with those who are suffering with orthorexia. Sound familiar?

You starve yourself for almost 4 days in a. Regular basis and then come out with comments like this.

You have again and again posted hugely misleading information on this thread and encouraged people to do things that are dangerous. Because you believe people tens of thousands of years ago might have done it.

Why not just admit it? Why not admit you have contempt for people who are over weight? And will outright lie to try and prove a point that doesn’t exist.

Still not answered anyone who has actually asked you a question. Like do you believe people with anorexia should just start eating?

or is that different because those people aren’t fat so you wouldn’t have more compassion for those people?

That’s terrifying.

No you don't, not on all sites - I didn't. Just stated the weight (claimed a stone more than it was), no proof required. And clicked on the "no" box when they asked if I wanted my GP to be informed. (I'm not actually registered with a GP at present). There's a lot of sites and they all have different rules.

Go ahead. Let’s hear how apples made you fat.

3 years out of 92 wouldn’t have a significant impact on her health, would it? She lived the majority of her life before convenience foods.

Had she ate 2 whole family trifles a day and a slab of fruit cake there is no way she wouldn’t have gained weight with no energy being expended through movement. But I assume she wasn’t.

@ItTook9Years noting you had nothing to say about any other point in my long post except to tell me I eat shite (despite not asking what I eat - you just assumed I eat shite).

Actually you're wrong there as well. My great aunt just died at 92. Her diet was shockingly bad - far worse than mine. She died of 'old age'. No signs of any health issues at all - no signs of mental failings either.
She had a fall and the shite care from the nhs meant she couldn't walk for the last 3 years of her life. She spent those 3 years eating trifle and cake in bed. She put on no weight and caused no health problems.

I'd be insulted frankly. And no couldn't care less what other people thought about me paying for a drug with so many health benefits - as you say she's been very careful about money so good on her. I might judge you though for paying for it.
If you were my sister I might accept, but money always always comes with ties. Are you really saying you will pay a couple thousand to her a year for life? What if she goes on a holiday? Are you going to think why are you paying if she can do that?

What’s your point?

I haven’t. 2 women at work know what healthy eating is and do a slimming club because it works. They still knows what’s healthy.

And lots of skinny people also think low fat, low sugar is healthy.

Again, what you mean is people don’t believe what YOU believe. Even though you can’t back it up.

And you still never answered the question. Do you think people with anorexia should just be able to get grip and eat healthy?

I've lost 5 and a half stone by using Mounjaro despite eating a very similar diet to what I was eating before. I had no weight related health complications at bmi 40 but didn't want this to suddenly change and it affect my very young children.

You’re measuring health by weight. Skinny people drop dead from heart attacks and cancer. If you carry on eating shit the likelyhood of you having health related issues later in life or suffering an early death are exponentially higher, whatever your weight. Don’t see many 100 year olds putting their longevity down to takeaways and croissants.

Actually, I have never met an obese person who is clueless about how to eat healthy. Or clueless as to how they have got to the size they have.

I have.

The NHS still uses the “eat well plate” FFS. So what most people think is “healthy” isn’t bloody healthy. See also slimming clubs etc. Muller light yogurt = have as much as you want, avocado = sinful.

GPs do less than half a day’s training on nutrition in 7 years of training.