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So if your friend lost 5 stone in 6 months .. would you wonder how ?

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AboutVattime · 05/10/2024 19:33

Just inquisitive.. my best friend has always been obese. About 22 stone. I have worried about her health silently for a very long time.. she started Mountjaro in April and is now 14 st. I am completely thrilled for her . Her blood pressure is now 'upper' but not ' see your healthcare provider' .. her heart 'murmurs' have ceased.. I am worried that when she come to the end of her treatment she's will just gain it all again. It is without a miraculous drug.. she has struggled to afford...she is incredibly good with money and financially planned every inch of her journey so that her treatment equalled less than her cost of food consumption.. but only in the short term ( she planned 8 months but goal in 6)

My AIBU is ..I see the amazing difference , she is so happy for the first time in a long time after years of weight watchers, slimming world, Cambridge diet.. low carb, NHS gastric band..(15 years ago which helped but only ever got her to 16 stone before piling it back on) .. she has found one of the Mountjaro providers who will prescribe a maintenance dose...

But she can't afford it long term. It will be £189 per month without a discount.. AIBU to say I can pay this for her. She is my very best friend . I love her new found sense of self confidence.. and don't want it to go.. the money is not an issue for me . I am extremely comfortable and struggle to spend. However would love to help someone I love very much.

Just for complete transparency I had crept over into 'unhealthy' zone as also had osteoporosis in knees. Also took Mountjaro for 2 months and know how incredible it is. I have kept it off for 5 months without a maintenance dose .. it just reinforced healthy eating recipes for me . . But I haven't been morbidly obese

OP posts:
since1986 · 05/10/2024 20:07

ItTook9Years · 05/10/2024 20:03

It reduces hunger, doesn’t it? There are lots of ways to do that without the risk of horrible side effects and needing to continue medication for life.

No, thats not just what it does. It's just a happy sideeffect. Even if you could eat the same food, you still lose weight on it as it changes how your body processes it.

MissUltraViolet · 05/10/2024 20:07

Who cares if anyone judges her. If she is healthy and happy then fuck it.

That’s a very generous offer, I’d love to have a friend like you! I hope she appreciates it all. I would suggest maybe putting a time limit on your generosity though, with both your finances and her future in mind. Maybe offer 3-6 months of funding if she understands when it’s finished she needs to really try be in a place where she has a different mind set when it comes to food and she’s in a healthy place where she can continue to progress without it.

ItTook9Years · 05/10/2024 20:05

Cherrysoup · 05/10/2024 20:01

Spectacularly missing the point.

Not really. We humans have to eat food. If you take medication but don’t pay attention to what food does to you you’ll always need (expensive) medication. Learning how to eat for health and not emotionally or because you’re dehydrated or bored will last a life time.

CatKitt · 05/10/2024 20:05

Have to say I was expecting a different OP. This is refreshing.

In your shoes, I'd happily do the same thing.

If I were in your friend's shoes, I'd happily accept your offer and thank you profusely.

Well done OP @AboutVattime and I'm happy for both of you.

CorbyTrouserPress · 05/10/2024 20:05

Yes some people will judge her. Right or wrong, People judge everyone for everything. This is no different.

She can, however, chose not to tell people how she lost the weight if she doesn’t want them to know. She can also chose not to care what judgemental people think and focus on the health benefits of her decision.

AboutVattime · 05/10/2024 20:05

Neither she or I had any side effects.

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Gladicalled · 05/10/2024 20:04

AboutVattime · 05/10/2024 20:01

I am so sorry .. my post title didn't match the tread at ALL.. !

What I was meaning to say was that if people found out how my friend managed to make her goal weight , would they judge her for being on this drug when it cost so much and anyone who knows her - would know she wouldn't have this kind of disposable income long term... I am so sorry for confusing anyone.

And to those who think I am doing this for the 'glory' .. absolutely not, ! No one will know but her and me.

What on earth has that got to do with wether you pay for her medication of not?

since1986 · 05/10/2024 20:04

MrsTerryPratchett · 05/10/2024 19:55

There is a very interesting relationship between money and investment emotionally. If you are paying 200 quid for something, or searching for discounts and spending time and energy, you are massively more likely to put in the work in other ways.

I'd be really interested to see if the losses reduce if the NHS funds this for anyone overweight. Or if you do for your friend. BTW not in a million years would I let my friend pay that kind of money every month for me and I doubt many people would.

If you're on the right dose of the drug, you physically cant overeat because the sideeffects will make you wish you were dead, and not just feeling like you're almost dying. But other than that, you actually don't want to. If the NHS gave this drug to everyone who needed it, they would save billions long term. In everything from heart operations, liver transplants, new knees and hips, diabetes related amputations and rehab, the list goes on.

The government alone would save an absolute fortune on dla/pip claims for future generations and those of us in our late 30s and 40s who are about to start the pretty swift decline in to the middle age medicine bracket.

AboutVattime · 05/10/2024 20:04

Cherrysoup · 05/10/2024 20:00

Don’t be amazed if she’s a bit offended if you offer to pay. It’s lovely of you but she might not take it well (might think it’s patronising/charity). You can definitely ask but don’t insist if she refuses.

Yes thank you ! I need to consider this.

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FawnFrenchieMum · 05/10/2024 20:04

ItTook9Years · 05/10/2024 20:03

It reduces hunger, doesn’t it? There are lots of ways to do that without the risk of horrible side effects and needing to continue medication for life.

If only it was this easy for the 1000s of obese people

ItTook9Years · 05/10/2024 20:03

Island2513 · 05/10/2024 19:58

I don’t think you have any idea how the medication works.

It reduces hunger, doesn’t it? There are lots of ways to do that without the risk of horrible side effects and needing to continue medication for life.

Crazyeight · 05/10/2024 20:02

If it causes her negative consequences at some point then it will be your fault. Stay out of it.

AboutVattime · 05/10/2024 20:01

I am so sorry .. my post title didn't match the tread at ALL.. !

What I was meaning to say was that if people found out how my friend managed to make her goal weight , would they judge her for being on this drug when it cost so much and anyone who knows her - would know she wouldn't have this kind of disposable income long term... I am so sorry for confusing anyone.

And to those who think I am doing this for the 'glory' .. absolutely not, ! No one will know but her and me.

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Cherrysoup · 05/10/2024 20:01

ItTook9Years · 05/10/2024 19:56

I lost almost 3 stone in 3 months without any medication, just dietary changes. 6 in 6 with a very powerful drug doesn’t seem that clever. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Spectacularly missing the point.

Cherrysoup · 05/10/2024 20:00

Don’t be amazed if she’s a bit offended if you offer to pay. It’s lovely of you but she might not take it well (might think it’s patronising/charity). You can definitely ask but don’t insist if she refuses.

blankittyblank · 05/10/2024 19:58

I'm also confused by the thread title, vs thread content!

Island2513 · 05/10/2024 19:58

ItTook9Years · 05/10/2024 19:56

I lost almost 3 stone in 3 months without any medication, just dietary changes. 6 in 6 with a very powerful drug doesn’t seem that clever. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I don’t think you have any idea how the medication works.

ItTook9Years · 05/10/2024 19:56

I lost almost 3 stone in 3 months without any medication, just dietary changes. 6 in 6 with a very powerful drug doesn’t seem that clever. 🤷🏻‍♀️

MrsTerryPratchett · 05/10/2024 19:55

There is a very interesting relationship between money and investment emotionally. If you are paying 200 quid for something, or searching for discounts and spending time and energy, you are massively more likely to put in the work in other ways.

I'd be really interested to see if the losses reduce if the NHS funds this for anyone overweight. Or if you do for your friend. BTW not in a million years would I let my friend pay that kind of money every month for me and I doubt many people would.

LaurieFairyCake · 05/10/2024 19:52

Everyone who has taken the momentous decision to pay for this healthcare and save the nhs FORTUNES should get this for free once they're in the healthy weight band

End of.

I am doing this. I will not be able to afford this forever. I am insanely weight loss resistant, I am well under 5 foot.

I spent £17000 on a sleeve gastrectomy when I hit menopause. I was starving, I had been restricting for decades to 1300 calories, I have willpower beyond belief. I put up with being hungry every moment of every day. I was 5 stone overweight.

The gastric sleeve took me down to not being hungry on 1000 calories.

I lost 5 stone. I stopped losing. I was still overweight.

Mounjaro has taken me down to 600-800 calories without hunger. I have lost a further 2 stone.

I still need to lose 2 stone to get to 23 bmi, 7 stone. Bang in the middle of acceptable for my height.

I will need this drug forever. Or I will be hungry on 600 calories. I cannot cope with being hungry and putting weight on.

Every member of my family has died with obesity and heart disease, younger than they're supposed to have done. My mother at 61, father 63, grandparents 54, 66.

The nhs will SAVE MONEY OVERALL giving me this drug

This drug means I can walk 10 miles a day, have masses of energy. Run a team in the nhs, work full time

I am worth living without the threat of obesity because I happen to be (normally) hungry when I can only eat 600 calories.

Sneezein3 · 05/10/2024 19:49

@Poppyseed14 where can you get it cheaper?

CorbyTrouserPress · 05/10/2024 19:49

Elsvieta · 05/10/2024 19:44

Anyone can buy it online, you just lie about your starting weight.

But you have to send proof of your weight and your GP is informed. Seems a lot of work for someone who has just crept into the unhealthy bracket and only needed two months supply. Surely a standard diet would have done the job just as well in this instance rather than lying.

MounjaroUser · 05/10/2024 19:45

So basically AIBU to be extremely generous to my friend who needs Mounjaro, even though I can manage without it?

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Elsvieta · 05/10/2024 19:44

CorbyTrouserPress · 05/10/2024 19:38

How did you get Mounjaro if you just crept into the ‘unhealthy’ zone? You need a BMI of 30 to be prescribed it.

Anyone can buy it online, you just lie about your starting weight.