So if your friend lost 5 stone in 6 months .. would you wonder how ?

No, they aren’t, @PrincessofWells. Reasons aren’t excuses. My own particular reason came from growing up in a deprived, dysfunctional environment where my parents, who were themselves the products of extreme dysfunction, had no ability to meet my most basic needs. I was left to cry a lot and not fed, or left to wait for food till after my mother had fed the men (lived with largely male extended family whom she prioritised), so I was often hungry and stressed. I learned to self-soothe with food once I was able to get it myself, and books. Which meant I got to Oxford and a successful professional life, but am only now, after a lot of therapy, beginning to learn other forms of self-regulation.

Eating 600 calories is not healthy AT ALL

You can not be on it forever

The health risks that come with this drug long term will be scary

Lots of people already starting to have health issues with it

She needs to shop around for a maintenance dose - online pharmacies (registered ones not charlatans) are significantly cheaper - in the £120s

The bottom line is this SAVES MORE MONEY and is literally going to transform healthcare

Well no it doesn’t.

If there was no NHS and you had to pay for your own treatment you would be more inclined to do everything you could to keep healthy.

Why not set a limit on funds? Say 6 months. By then she should’ve changed how she feels about herself and wan to keep the weight off.

And everyone saying obesity is caused by 'eating too much' clearly knows feck all about what actually causes that or the other combination of factors.

Even 23&me have clear categories for genetic predictors. Guess what - many, many, many millions of people are predisposed to be overweight/obese. Many of those will also fall in to the categories where a keto, i.f. or hunter gatherer type diet will serve them best.

Guess what though?

With even the NHS being so thick as to recommend t2 diebetics attending their clinics eat fuck tonnes of carbs and shit cereals, and 'low fat' (but obviously then high sugar and carb foods)

It's incredibly hard for people to either revert to their natural state or to have ever been there in the first place, even from birth with carb filled baby formulas.

Yes that's just 'one' type of fat person. But fuck me, society and corporations is the problem, at every level. Same with alcohol and cigarettes. Not solely the individual.

If someone is so pig ignorant to not be willing to accept that because that's not their 'experience', then honestly gtfo.

OP, you’re question keeps changing.

If you want to offer to pay for this then only you know if she will be offended or not.

If you’re asking will she be judged, yes she will by some but the health benefits alone should be enough for her not to care what bellends think.

How long would you pay for it?
2 years, 10 years, 30 years?

If she’s had a gastric band and put the weight back on, then she is going to have to stay on this medication long term else she’s going to put it all back on.

So say you’ll pay for it for a year, you decide it’s time for her to come off if it and then she starts regaining weight and asking to please go back on it for another year.
How would you feel?

What happens if after that year you stop paying and then she starts gaining and asks you again to pay for it for another year?

I think what you’re suggesting is lovely and she’s done a great job at getting it off but she needs to be in control of her own health and weight.
I can’t see it ending well if you offer to pay for them.
You don’t want to lose a friendship over it.

Perhaps you could buy her a yearly gym membership instead.

@AboutVattime If she's budgeting for 8 months, she's still got some budget left, there are loads of discount codes on here that will help her stretch that and give you the chance to discuss if she would like some injections paid for as a Christmas gift.

The shit they put in food now is designed to keep us eating crap and making food manufacturers (and drug company) profits over human nutrition.

Elephants in the wild live longer than elephants in captivity because they follow their natural diet.

The natural human diet is good quality protein (not daily, certainly not at every meal) and seasonal fruits and vegetables. Limited grains and certainly not stuff in packets. Extended fasting is really beneficial for the liver and gut.

That is such a good point

I think it would be an incredibly kind thing to do, but only you know how she might react. One of my closest friends died a couple of years ago, i would definately pay £50 a week to have her still here with me, or even to never talk to me again, but still be alive.

Can you tell your friend you're scared that you'll lose her if the weight goes back on, and maybe pay for a lower maintenance dose if that sits better with her?

Gym memberships do the same, but the nhs can't afford to pay for them for everyone.
Realistically if you can't afford £45 once retired then you also won't be able to afford the extra food to become obese again and then there won't be a health issue or cost to the nhs.

I was trying to articulate exactly this, thank you.

The manufacturers are making a fortune. I don’t think they could be arsed posting here to get a few extra sales.

I would believe that op was planning on sharing her discount code, so she gets further discounts though. A couple of suppliers have these schemes.

I would be grateful for the offer. But I would help her do some shopping for a more reasonable priced maintenance dose as well. I've heard of several lower.

princessofwells

It's not overeating unless you genuinely think people ought to be ok living on a 1000 calories while being hungry ?

We have such a thing as a set point. The body fights to get to it.

If you're lucky it's a healthy weight but for the actual majority of people now it pushes them into the overweight category

Which costs businesses and the nhs millions probably billions

That's a very simple way of the company being able to deny any involvement

It's like saying alcoholism is caused by drinking too much. "You need an off button, self discipline and to take personal responsibility for your own health by controlling what and how you drink".

Ah well...if only there was a 'why' for some alcoholics/obese people. If only they would heed this wisdom. If only the why behind the drinking/eating/weight gain can be solved. If only there was an aid to help with self control/chemical imbalance/lack of GLP-1, therefore stop the drinking/eating/weight gain or addiction...oh wait... <enters Mounjaro>

Honestly I think I would rather be a lazy, greedy, obese person than a morally superior, ignorant, judgemental thin person 🙄

That was to summersnowstorm

Yes, quite right. Fine for now while I'm working - it's still a lot of money

But for the next 25 years before I die? When I will save the nhs hundreds of thousands?

The bottom line is this SAVES MORE MONEY and is literally going to transform healthcare

But why do so many people overeat?

Yes, people, even obese people know how they put weight on.

Why do you think obese people are stupids and don’t know that.

The reason obese people eat to much is hugely varied and has lots of causes. Including adhd, depression, press and other mental health problems. Lots of things ranging from childhood trauma, to upbringing to becoming ill later on all impacts wether people can self regulate with food.

Obesity IS more than just overeating. Just like being an alcoholic is more than just having an occasional drink.

The one full of bullshit, is you I am afraid.

Notice you ignored my point about anorexia. If obese people could just get a grip and self regulate, you must believe people with anorexia could also just get grip and eat?