So if your friend lost 5 stone in 6 months .. would you wonder how ?

Or have a Co morbidity. Or lie.
I got mine due to high BP and my BMI was 28.

What did you do in 3 months?!

That comment was in relation to a previous series of discussions where someone was asserting that everyone is eating well on wlj and is unable to eat badly ….it’s not just one snap shot though and ,again, people have to understand that wlj are not a cure all …. those people who will succeed with them have to make changes to their calorie intake, food choices and exercise. It’s not “sad enough” to want people to make better choices. There is no “single cohort “ of obese people rather than a series of people with different reasons and approaches but as it is sometimes stated by people that those taking WLJ have “ tried everything and know how to eat healthy “ then it is relevant when there are people who obviously don’t .

Ah I see, thanks for clarification

This is one snap shot. You cannot extrapolate this to a whole cohort. And of course, as you have demonstrated so well, we can always find evidence for shoring up our bias if we look hard enough. And are sad enough to,

it's not what i personally ate, it's from a particular thread ,where people are often eating very strangely despite only being able to eat a small amount(where good nutrition is absolutely crucial)..i just think its so sad that even when driven to use injections some people still are unable to be kind to their body. there is a wider problem that also needs addressing for some.

The salt content is very high.

You might be getting lighter but not healthy due to large salt intake

I wonder how much salt and sugar fats is in that is in that. It's insane the convenience market is killing us. This reminds me of the programme you are what you eat and yet people still don't heed the warning. It's easier to make excuses than to take responsibility and make the changes that will help them in the long term.

Your friend should look into whether she can get this wonder drug on the NHS. Doctors are prescribing to help people get back to work. The government is hoping this will pay for itself in taxes.

For anyone who is in any doubt as to why some people end up on jabs ,do have a read of the what I ate today “ in that section. This is 1 poster who is ON weight loss jabs! “ B - seeded protein bagel with cottage cheese and a fromage frais.
L - dairylea dunker, packet of crisps
D - pot noodle (couldn't be bothered cooking for 1... oops)
Snacks - a bite of a slice of pizza from the kids tea, 2 finger kitkat.
drank 4 pints of water and 1 x pepsi max. going to have another pint of water now before hitting the hay.”

As lovely as it sounds, no. Mixing friendships with finances is never a good idea. Your friend will find the money to continue the injections. Most people do when it’s something that really matters to them.

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Does anyone else think that there must be tons of oestrogen and progesterone in the water as well as other medications that didn't exist 50 years ago? Surely there must be. Or am I just talking bollocks? Anyhow, if there is all this stuff in our water, I'm willing to get that it's playing a significant part in current obesity levels.

For some yes. But that is so over simplified I can’t be bothered to educate you.

It's hard work losing weight because it takes a complete lifestyle change. It isn't about being slim it's about living a healthy lifestyle, low on salt, no upfs, lots of exercise. Yes that's an oversimplified version but . . . there are no quick fixes, no magic pill, it all comes back to lifestyle choices.

We are not talking about any 1 individuals reasons for gaining weight …yes you have identified a physical cause but there always have been people with those genetic causes so it’s quite clearly not solely those genetic causes that are causing the obesity epidemic! Worldwide obesity has more than doubled since 1990 and adolescent obesity has quadrupled in that time…that is an astounding increase. It’s really common and understandable for obese people to be touchy when the causes of weight gain are discussed but it’s incredibly annoying when people fail to understand this isn’t about blame, it’s about understanding the reasons otherwise people feel they have nothing they can change. If there are things like changes in dietary sources such as upf’s that are “ switching on “ those genes then that is incredibly important to know that from an individual’s and a societies perspective. Again, if you look at the weight loss threads you can very clearly see how some people are compromising their weight management through choices they are making. People of normal “healthy” weight also need to know if they are making choices that compromise their health, it’s not only about weight, as people can get away with those choices when they are young then as circumstances change (age, pregnancy, accidents) etc) then they start to struggle.

Thanks but I know my own situation from the inside out. I’m now watching my daughter go through the same issues. Just stop with the blaming of people when for many it’s far more complicated. Not that it’s your business but in my own situation I had surgery after years of struggling to maintain weight loss and the moment I woke up I was no longer craving food or even particularly interested in eating. That’s not will power. That’s a physical cause.

Exactly it’s not a quick fix! As you said, if you have done it slowly and in a more thoughtful ,managed manner that’s far better. That tends to be the problem with many people who struggle with their weight, it’s not about doing something in the short term ,it’s making changes that then have to happen for life. Weight training is incredibly important for people in general especially as you get older, and the problem with drastic weight loss is that many people lose their muscle mass along that journey. It’s irrelevant what weight you are ,you still have to try and convince your body not to go into starvation mode as otherwise people just end up sitting at a certain weight regardless . Those on the weight loss jabs are sometimes being kicked off by their provider as they reach a particular bmi which I can imagine must be horrendous to get that crutch taken away so at least some companies are becoming more thoughtful about how to support their clients going forward.

Op, is this some kind of advert for the method or program you mentioned in your post?

5 stone in 6 months looks like too fast. Does your friend exercise and control diet carefully?

This is like many things in society and not a new concept with weightloss meds.

Cigarettes are being sold everywhere, then nicotine patches, etc are sold as a cure or help to wean off them when they could simply stop advertising and selling cigarettes.

Alcohol and cure to alcoholism when they could simply stop making and selling them if they're that bad and they care about people. No one needs alcohol to live.

Beauty standards, makeup,cosmetic surgeries, then being advised to love yourself as you are or told to go on therapy to love yourself when they could simply stop doing the first few things. That would help massively.

Rubbish diet being sold for cheap; healthier versions expensive, then another more expensive "organic" versions of the already-tampered-with healthier versions. Then the lecture of solving the outcome of this issue when the root cause should be tackled, which is the availability of rubbish diet in the first place and the healthier ones being tampered with or made more expensive.

All the things and food they say cause cancer or other illnesses, yet are still available. The many medications with their horrible side effects yet are still available and other medications to treat those side effects are available too.

It's all about the supply for artificially created demands. It's all about money for the govt either way so I'd let people do what they can to fix their individual situations seeing as the govt will never do this. They'd lose money if they do.

I think weight loss jabs are now a necessary evil I don't mean necessary evil because they are not necessary and people shouldn't use them that don't want to, I mean an inevitable evil, I think, which is that whilst obesity remains a huge health problem around the world, it's inevitable that companies who can promise weight loss are going to become obscenely and long-term rich from that.

I don't like it, but I don't like going into older age very overweight either.

@FlappingMadly my husband is from a much poorer country than the UK but the food quality is much better. Everything here is in packages and full of crap. I had no idea breakfast cereal wasn't a good start to the day, really, and it's what most people eat. It's taken me so long to adjust my diet and I still struggle.

Weight-loss drugs have worked for me as I was prepared to lose weight much slower than most, and have eaten a lot of protein and veggies along the way, as high quality as I can afford and manage. One good thing about the cheap Lidl/Aldi is that sometimes their products are a bit less processed like their tomato and courgettes are nice, greek cheese cheap, so it is possible.

I agree that if you just have periods of near starvation on these drugs and then immediately go back to eating quantities of the same UPF it is going to be very like yo-yo dieting of old.

@Oleanolean i agree a little but raise metabolic rate? Really? It’s not a quick fix. And as I said exercise isn’t equal. A 16 stone person is not burning as much as a 9 stone person.

@Oleanolean I agree with you too- these injections are not miracle workers either, because they don't tackle the problems of poor food quality and an obesogenic environment. At best, they can help you reset your weight a bit lower, and go from there. I've used them for this purpose quite effectively, having become very overweight due to an accident, and now I'm back on maintaining quite happily.

I do also feel cross that having messed up our bodies with this crappy filler food (designed to be extra-delicious, hyperpalatable), we are then being presented with a solution from the pharmaceutical companies.

It does suck completely, and both are the products of rampant capitalism and making money out of people's bodies and their in-built desires for sweet/fatty food and their desire to be slim all at the same time.

I don't have the answers, I think weight loss jabs are now a necessary evil, I wish it wasn't so.

@Faldodiddledee yes and you need four tomatoes to get the nutrients one used to provide. We are so lucky to be able to afford the farm shop, but this is so wrong. It should be available to everyone. Supermarkets have been selling at artificially low prices for so long, it will take a lot to change. Uk I think is particularly bad at packaged everything.