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I’m the default parent - but AIBU to think you can’t really address this without harming the child?

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Thisiswhathappenedwhen · 05/10/2024 17:24

Harmony is probably a bit strong but if I take yesterday as an example.

DD1 is off to preschool so it falls on me to get her breakfast, clean her teeth, get her dressed. Make her a packed lunch; leave waterproofs, wellies, bag with spare clothes and water bottle by the front door. If I don’t do those things DD misses out. So I sort of have to.

I then take Dd2 to nursery and go to work myself. End of the day, pick Dd1 up, go to colllect DD2, make dinner, then it’s bath time, DH wanders off somewhere while the girls are in the bath, so I have to supervise. Then I get them out, reading stories, DH finally turns up, takes Dd2 so I can finish reading with Dd1.

But what else can I do? I can’t not send DD1 to preschool with no lunch or not give her breakfast or not clean her teeth. So once you’re the default parent AIBU to think you’re sort of stuck with it?

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secondtimemumma · 05/10/2024 18:31

@Thisiswhathappenedwhen
have you spoken to him about it? Maybe speaking about this with him you might be able to come up with a plan to sort this?

Your alternative is LTB or accept this will never change and resentment will grow.

Serriadh · 05/10/2024 18:30

Thisiswhathappenedwhen · 05/10/2024 18:27

Holly, it’s because they all create a lot more work for me and - no. That’s not what I need or to be perfectly honest can cope with. As it says in the OP once you start it you’re stuck with it, because if you don’t do the things you’ve always done to make a point it isn’t DH who will be affected, it’s the children.

That’s why you have to focus it on the things that only affect him. No washing his clothes, no making his tea, no topping up his stuff when it runs low.

It’s not your fault, but if he hasn’t worked out by now that he’s a negligent parent and an uncaring husband, he’s not going to do so by himself any time soon. That’s why, even though it’s not your fault, you need to do something if you want it to change. It’ll be (relatively) short-term pain for long-term gain. Or you just carry on like this until you blow up and leave him, or until you’re 65 and wonder why you spent your life like this.

HollyLollyMollyJolly · 05/10/2024 18:30

dijonketchup · 05/10/2024 18:23

You are right, it is hard and you have all my sympathy. Start by going out at weekends so he HAS to be the default parent and make decisions about their care. If he’s never had to be a careful dad he won’t just magically become one. you deserve a break! Xx

But OP doesn't want to do this. She's worried her children will be neglected by their father, her dh so she has to do it all while hating that she has to do it all. So I don't know where it leaves us.

OP, condolences I guess. There nothing else to say since everything requires you to do something. You can bring your dh here and we'll tear him a new one and tell him what he should do...but that also requires you to do something first (bringing him here). So...

coxesorangepippin · 05/10/2024 18:29

And it's additional labour/responsibility, the op having to list and outline all the stuff that needs to happen

How comes her DH doesn't know and realise all this??

Weaponised incompetence

Scirocco · 05/10/2024 18:28

What would happen, @Thisiswhathappenedwhen , if you were to say to him that he had to do a task and that there would be no option for you to pick up the slack? Eg, if it were to genuinely be his responsibility to prepare a lunch box, and he knew that without him doing it, his children would go hungry.

Would he try? If it's a case of him not having skills or knowledge, these can be learned. He can choose to learn about the planning that goes into it - I'm guessing he's been able to learn how to do far more complicated things than plan, make and pack a lunch box.

Or would he not bother or half-ass it deliberately to avoid the responsibility? In which case, there's little scope for remediation.

One way to find out could be to involve pre-school in his 'training'. Get him to do some drop-offs and have the pre-school aware that on those days, he is the 'default' first point of contact for any issues with food, clothing, hygiene, etc. If you know the staff well enough, you could explain to them that it's his first time doing things like getting clothing ready and making lunch boxes, so if there are any issues, eg no lunch, do they have ways to help, like sandwiches or spare wellies available?

Even if he completely fails to make a packed lunch or to take wellies or brush her teeth, it won't be a disaster. She won't be the first child to experience those, nor would she be the last. No decent pre-school will leave a child hungry, some will have spare toothbrushes/toothpaste for toothbrushing after meals there, and spare wellies are pretty common.

Doglady1764 · 05/10/2024 18:28

You need to make it clear that you’re expecting the labour to be divided up equally. If my husband was like this I don’t think we’d stay together. Not saying yours is wrong but I just expect ours to be equal.

Thisiswhathappenedwhen · 05/10/2024 18:27

coxesorangepippin · 05/10/2024 18:27

I think a lot of women feel like the op does

I think so as well, which is why I’m surprised I’ve had abuse hurled at me for voicing it 😂

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Zonder · 05/10/2024 18:27

Write lists together. Sit down and go through the jobs together and what each actually involves. Then ask him which days he wants to do which jobs.

Thisiswhathappenedwhen · 05/10/2024 18:27

Holly, it’s because they all create a lot more work for me and - no. That’s not what I need or to be perfectly honest can cope with. As it says in the OP once you start it you’re stuck with it, because if you don’t do the things you’ve always done to make a point it isn’t DH who will be affected, it’s the children.

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coxesorangepippin · 05/10/2024 18:27

I think a lot of women feel like the op does

HollyLollyMollyJolly · 05/10/2024 18:25

Thisiswhathappenedwhen · 05/10/2024 18:14

I am now scratching my head trying to work out why I’m the one being sworn at and insulted!

You really do sound like a martyr. You're not focusing on the ideas some pp are giving you but on the "Woe is me" feeling that some posts have given you while not wanting to do anything about things. Perhaps you made this post to vent and not for solutions. Perhaps you wanted us to just say "Men! That's what they're like" like you've accepted all your friend's dh/dp are like (interesting group of friends btw).

You need do either do something about this problem you have (your dh) or not.

Tarantella6 · 05/10/2024 18:25

"Go and ask daddy to help you with xyz while I am doing this"
"Dh please could you brush her teeth while I pack the bag"
"Dh please could you sort out bathtime while I clear up dinner"

It doesn't have to be a massive discussion, just an insidious transfer of responsibilities. After a while you should be able to stop asking 😉

Thisiswhathappenedwhen · 05/10/2024 18:25

YouCantTrustAtomsTheyMakeUpEverything · 05/10/2024 18:23

It is NOT your fault OP.

You want the best for your children, so you make sure it is done properly,

It’s ok saying to OP “you need to train him to do X, Y and Z” but doesn’t OP have enough to do raising her children and now everyone is expecting an additional person?! Why is the woman always blamed or given extra work?

And it’s the thinking! It’s all well and good saying “you make lunch and I’ll do bath time” but if he doesn’t actually think or notice things like having no bread left for example, what choice does she have but to do it or have her DH send her kids without?

Thanks for saying this. I don’t think it is my fault either. It’s probably true I should have been more forceful in the early days but I had no way of knowing just how lazy he’d get!

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MyOwnToes · 05/10/2024 18:25

If he’s seriously that bad I’d be reconsidering the relationship.

Thisiswhathappenedwhen · 05/10/2024 18:24

Quitelikeit · 05/10/2024 18:20

Just don’t answer when they call then they will ring him

Assuming you can trust him to drive them around safely!!

He wouldn’t answer. So eventually they withdraw DDs place because she’s constantly turning up without the necessary equipment, the. What do we do? Or she has soaking wet feet and is cold all day?

See what I mean?

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dijonketchup · 05/10/2024 18:23

You are right, it is hard and you have all my sympathy. Start by going out at weekends so he HAS to be the default parent and make decisions about their care. If he’s never had to be a careful dad he won’t just magically become one. you deserve a break! Xx

Barryplopper · 05/10/2024 18:23

Thisiswhathappenedwhen · 05/10/2024 17:24

Harmony is probably a bit strong but if I take yesterday as an example.

DD1 is off to preschool so it falls on me to get her breakfast, clean her teeth, get her dressed. Make her a packed lunch; leave waterproofs, wellies, bag with spare clothes and water bottle by the front door. If I don’t do those things DD misses out. So I sort of have to.

I then take Dd2 to nursery and go to work myself. End of the day, pick Dd1 up, go to colllect DD2, make dinner, then it’s bath time, DH wanders off somewhere while the girls are in the bath, so I have to supervise. Then I get them out, reading stories, DH finally turns up, takes Dd2 so I can finish reading with Dd1.

But what else can I do? I can’t not send DD1 to preschool with no lunch or not give her breakfast or not clean her teeth. So once you’re the default parent AIBU to think you’re sort of stuck with it?

You talk to him. Tell hi. He'll be responsible for x, y and z. My oh was a bit shit with dc1 and I kept on at him until he started doing certain things, shouldn't have had to but I did and he is good with the children now! If you do everything and keep quiet of course they will let you do it all (as shitty as that is!) X

YouCantTrustAtomsTheyMakeUpEverything · 05/10/2024 18:23

It is NOT your fault OP.

You want the best for your children, so you make sure it is done properly,

It’s ok saying to OP “you need to train him to do X, Y and Z” but doesn’t OP have enough to do raising her children and now everyone is expecting an additional person?! Why is the woman always blamed or given extra work?

And it’s the thinking! It’s all well and good saying “you make lunch and I’ll do bath time” but if he doesn’t actually think or notice things like having no bread left for example, what choice does she have but to do it or have her DH send her kids without?

Thisiswhathappenedwhen · 05/10/2024 18:22

FoxtrotOscarKindaDay · 05/10/2024 18:21

Does your husband do anything at all except provide an income?

He does but it’s all directed. You can never just leave him and he’ll think oh the kitchen is a tip, I’ll clean it.

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Thisiswhathappenedwhen · 05/10/2024 18:22

You’re making excuses and you know it.

I genuinely don’t believe I am, and also can I just say I don’t think I’ve done anything wrong, I had children, I’ve looked after them, I’ve got up in the night with them, I’ve tended to them, I’ve taken them to have their immunisations and their GP appointments and taken them to hobbies and made sure they are clean and fed well and wear clean clothes .., and somehow I am the bad guy on here, making excuses, being a martyr, being sworn at, being insulted Hmm

Its a bit weird.

If I leave DH to it all I’m doing is making more work for myself in both the short and the long term, as well as harming the children. He IS lazy. I don’t believe he’s a bad terrible person but his life has gone on mostly unchanged, mine, well, it hasn’t.

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HollyLollyMollyJolly · 05/10/2024 18:22

Serriadh · 05/10/2024 18:11

If you can’t talk to him, or talking to him makes no difference, you need to make sure the consequences of his actions fall on him, not on the kids or on you.

Make a list of everything you’re doing. Tell him you can’t do all this anymore. Either he can choose what he wants to contribute to the household, or you’ll decide which ones you drop.

Then… don’t wash his clothes, you eat with the kids and don’t cook for him, don’t wash up any pots and pans, don’t top up his stuff when it runs out (I bet you carry the mental load of working out when his shower gel/deodorant runs out), don’t buy birthday cards or presents for his family, don’t mark stuff up on the family calendar.

It’s a miserable way to live but either he’ll notice and shape up quickly, or he won’t and you can decide whether you want to go back to doing it all, live like this forever, or leave him.

I know this another post with stuff you need to do. But the thing is, you’re the one who wants things to change. He doesn’t care. He likes it how it is. It works well for him and he doesn’t care that can’t even trust him to watch his own children in the bath. He doesn’t care that you think he’s useless and lazy and selfish. He doesn’t respect your time or the effort and skills you put into the home. He should change, but there’s not a huge incentive for him to at the moment.

I know this another post with stuff you need to do.

If anything, it's not something for her to do. It actually is something for her to stop doing. It should give her less to do so she focuses on herself and kids.

I agree with the rest of the post BTW.

FoxtrotOscarKindaDay · 05/10/2024 18:21

Does your husband do anything at all except provide an income?

Quitelikeit · 05/10/2024 18:20

Just don’t answer when they call then they will ring him

Assuming you can trust him to drive them around safely!!

greenwoodentablelegs · 05/10/2024 18:19

Ok not read the thread. But I am from the future. Mine are teenagers. I did all the default parent stuff when they were small and DH picked everything else up.

So now they are grown, I don’t need to do that shit. DH still does all the cooking, laundry, diy, garden stuff, car stuff. We both work at 70% and I paid into my pension all those years.

it’s not forever. It is for a long time. But you could load him up with all the other stuff and he keeps it forever

Merryoldgoat · 05/10/2024 18:18

@Thisiswhathappenedwhen

You’re making excuses and you know it.

I work 15 mins from school so I collect if necessary. That’s just practicality. It doesn’t mean he’s not pulling his weight elsewhere.

We share sick days, lunches, bath time, bed time. Give each other lie ins etc.

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