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To think this is exclusionary?

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DoNOTShakeItOff · 04/10/2024 22:18

My DC attend a fantastic state primary. The head is like a pseudo mum to every DC in the school and the teachers are, so far at least, fab. Down to earth & approachable, like the head. There's absolutely no backstory or history, it's just this one issue that I need to know if I'm being ridiculous about. I guess this is more AIBR than AIBU!

The PTA. Now, if I was to guess I'd say a good 70% (if not more) of the parents at the school just happen to be middle class, given the area. Plenty of sports cars & Bentleys etc (I'm not saying any of this out of resentment btw as I've grown up round here and it's a fairly frequent sight). It is what it is, you get that in many areas. I helped out the PTA once and they're alllll clearly very wealthy people. All of them.

Trouble is, I regularly think they forget that this is, after all is said & done, a bloody state school! Not a private school. So not everyone is wealthy and still quite a few kids (my DC included due to my disabilities), receive pupil premium. Again, it is what it is. Our situation has arisen since DC arrived and was entirely unavoidable and not of my doing. Hence why DC go to state school and not private school.

Here's the issue - Twice a year, the PTA put on this 'Ball' for £60 a ticket and the flyer says this is open to all parents & staff. £60!

So obviously those of us who can’t justify £60 on a school event, don't buy a ticket. We just have to see the photos on social media of the staff, PTA & other wealthy parents posing in ball gowns at the local very prestigious 'hall'. It has an air of "This is what you're missing out on, paupers!" - I'm not the only parent to feel like this, btw. A few have commented on how exclusionary it is.
Also, this is whilst us 'paupers' get a £2.50 kids disco in the school hall and a bag of crisps. AIBR?!

I know I'll simply be declared 'jealous' by narrow minded posters looking for a pile on, but it's not about jealousy! It's so much more than that. I could afford to attend without much issue but I would never, ever attend any school event that excluded other parents based on cost. Even if I was driving around in a Bentley instead of my KIA!

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DoNOTShakeItOff · 04/10/2024 22:47

Whether it's a bargain or not, is not really the point, is it?

I must admit, it is easy to tell for whom £60 is mere pocket change, on this thread! That's for sure.

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Octavia64 · 04/10/2024 22:47

If the purpose is fundraising then making it accessible to parents isn't the point.

Eg my school did an auction of promises. The point was to raise money. The tickets cost money, the drinks cost money and you paid in the auction for the promises.

If the purpose isn't fundraising then I don't see why they are doing it.

Most pta events are either fundraising or for the students (eg year 6 disco)

TempestTost · 04/10/2024 22:45

TemuSpecialBuy · 04/10/2024 22:36

9 courses for £60 and you dine in a stately hall?!?

that is an absolute bargain!

Yes, that seems a little improbable.

DoNOTShakeItOff · 04/10/2024 22:44

@StormingNorman As I've just said, plan something more realistic and more within reach for everyone. Yes it's probably difficult to put a price on what everyone can afford but Ballgowns?!?! Come on, that's not necessary.

Yes, actual ballgowns!

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StormingNorman · 04/10/2024 22:42

DoNOTShakeItOff · 04/10/2024 22:32

It definitely does not raise money for the school as they had a huge debate about it and decided that doing so would make the price even higher so they turned it into 'The Big (School name) Night Out'

Rich people - ball
Poor people- disco

What would you like them to do?

DoNOTShakeItOff · 04/10/2024 22:40

Mainoo72 · 04/10/2024 22:35

So because a few parents can’t afford it, no one is allowed to enjoy it? It’s such a miserable approach. If it includes food, it sounds great to me.

I never said they shouldn't do it! You're putting words in my mouth. It should be something within reach of everyone....

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DoNOTShakeItOff · 04/10/2024 22:39

I don't have much in my life and I don't just mean in a materialistic context. I've lost a lot of what matters, so my principles & my morals mean quite a lot to me. I will absolutely get annoyed if I see injustice or inequality (stupid I know) and this has just got me annoyed as everything else at that school is spot on!

Perhaps I should become a local politician in my next life!

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MeowCatPleaseMeowBack · 04/10/2024 22:39

DoNOTShakeItOff · 04/10/2024 22:34

But it's not a night out, it's a school event! It's also a state school not a private school so why the need for ballgowns silver service 9 course meal at a stately hall?!

So what price is ok?

MumChp · 04/10/2024 22:37

Mainoo72 · 04/10/2024 22:35

So because a few parents can’t afford it, no one is allowed to enjoy it? It’s such a miserable approach. If it includes food, it sounds great to me.

It would be £180 for our family. Tbh I wouldn't spend that even we can.

TemuSpecialBuy · 04/10/2024 22:36

DoNOTShakeItOff · 04/10/2024 22:34

But it's not a night out, it's a school event! It's also a state school not a private school so why the need for ballgowns silver service 9 course meal at a stately hall?!

9 courses for £60 and you dine in a stately hall?!?

that is an absolute bargain!

Mainoo72 · 04/10/2024 22:35

So because a few parents can’t afford it, no one is allowed to enjoy it? It’s such a miserable approach. If it includes food, it sounds great to me.

worcesterpear · 04/10/2024 22:34

I agree that is ridiculous for a state school. It is unimaginable that it would happen at any school in my area and yes, not very inclusive.

DoNOTShakeItOff · 04/10/2024 22:34

TemuSpecialBuy · 04/10/2024 22:31

Yabu…

£60 is honestly about the cost of any average night out

You could find the money to attend once a year if you wanted…

But it's not a night out, it's a school event! It's also a state school not a private school so why the need for ballgowns silver service 9 course meal at a stately hall?!

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MumChp · 04/10/2024 22:33

£60 tickets at state school is bonkers!

TeenLifeMum · 04/10/2024 22:32

ChairmanMeowww · 04/10/2024 22:30

Yes I agree, maybe the ticket price covers costs but surely there’s an auction, raffle, money spent on the night on drinks etc to raise money? Why would they just put on a ball for parents and teachers?

Quite. We are now financially comfortable but when dc were at primary they hosted different events and we chose what to support based on interest in the event and cost.

User37482 · 04/10/2024 22:32

DD’s school have these but they are actual fundraisers, I can afford it but I just don’t want to go so I don’t. If it’s just a big get together for the parents I would just ignore it, it does feel like it’s exclusionary, they perhaps see it as a party with friends so they don’t realise it’s expensive for just hanging out with school parents.

I have no idea why they would bother if it’s not a fundraiser. I would put this in the ignore box, if they moan about attendance you can point out that £60 is a lot of money for some but otherwise I would just not pay attention to this.

DoNOTShakeItOff · 04/10/2024 22:32

It definitely does not raise money for the school as they had a huge debate about it and decided that doing so would make the price even higher so they turned it into 'The Big (School name) Night Out'

Rich people - ball
Poor people- disco

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TemuSpecialBuy · 04/10/2024 22:31

Yabu…

£60 is honestly about the cost of any average night out

You could find the money to attend once a year if you wanted…

ToBeDetermined · 04/10/2024 22:30

Even if the £60 purely covers costs, I can imagine part of the networking of this social event involves staff & PTA sweet talking parents into donating money or time for the PTA. So it will indirectly raise money.

angelopal · 04/10/2024 22:30

If it's not a fundraiser then what fundraising do they actually do?

We struggle to.get enough people to organise fundraising events. No one would do it if not raising money.

MeowCatPleaseMeowBack · 04/10/2024 22:30

What's the maximum price for an event you think is non-exclusionary?

ChairmanMeowww · 04/10/2024 22:30

TeenLifeMum · 04/10/2024 22:28

I can’t imagine a pta organising an event that’s not raising funds. That is not the role of the pta so I wonder if the op is mistaken.

Yes I agree, maybe the ticket price covers costs but surely there’s an auction, raffle, money spent on the night on drinks etc to raise money? Why would they just put on a ball for parents and teachers?

TeenLifeMum · 04/10/2024 22:30

DoNOTShakeItOff · 04/10/2024 22:28

As I've said a couple of times now, it doesn't raise a penny for the school

So why does the pta arrange it? That’s not the role of a pta and makes no logical sense. If it doesn’t make sense it’s generally not true.

DoNOTShakeItOff · 04/10/2024 22:29

@ToBeDetermined Only because I receive PIP on top of my income! I'd much rather be healthy and have even less money but, the fact is that because I'm severely disabled I do have an extra small income that I wouldn't otherwise have and other Pupil Premium parents may not have. That's my point!

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TeenLifeMum · 04/10/2024 22:28

Newsenmum · 04/10/2024 22:27

but it’s not!

I can’t imagine a pta organising an event that’s not raising funds. That is not the role of the pta so I wonder if the op is mistaken.

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