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To think this is exclusionary?

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DoNOTShakeItOff · 04/10/2024 22:18

My DC attend a fantastic state primary. The head is like a pseudo mum to every DC in the school and the teachers are, so far at least, fab. Down to earth & approachable, like the head. There's absolutely no backstory or history, it's just this one issue that I need to know if I'm being ridiculous about. I guess this is more AIBR than AIBU!

The PTA. Now, if I was to guess I'd say a good 70% (if not more) of the parents at the school just happen to be middle class, given the area. Plenty of sports cars & Bentleys etc (I'm not saying any of this out of resentment btw as I've grown up round here and it's a fairly frequent sight). It is what it is, you get that in many areas. I helped out the PTA once and they're alllll clearly very wealthy people. All of them.

Trouble is, I regularly think they forget that this is, after all is said & done, a bloody state school! Not a private school. So not everyone is wealthy and still quite a few kids (my DC included due to my disabilities), receive pupil premium. Again, it is what it is. Our situation has arisen since DC arrived and was entirely unavoidable and not of my doing. Hence why DC go to state school and not private school.

Here's the issue - Twice a year, the PTA put on this 'Ball' for £60 a ticket and the flyer says this is open to all parents & staff. £60!

So obviously those of us who can’t justify £60 on a school event, don't buy a ticket. We just have to see the photos on social media of the staff, PTA & other wealthy parents posing in ball gowns at the local very prestigious 'hall'. It has an air of "This is what you're missing out on, paupers!" - I'm not the only parent to feel like this, btw. A few have commented on how exclusionary it is.
Also, this is whilst us 'paupers' get a £2.50 kids disco in the school hall and a bag of crisps. AIBR?!

I know I'll simply be declared 'jealous' by narrow minded posters looking for a pile on, but it's not about jealousy! It's so much more than that. I could afford to attend without much issue but I would never, ever attend any school event that excluded other parents based on cost. Even if I was driving around in a Bentley instead of my KIA!

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DoNOTShakeItOff · 04/10/2024 23:04

@StormingNorman Where did I say I wanted a near to free event? You've just made that up! Grin

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qualifiedazure · 04/10/2024 23:04

Do you actually want to go?

You could always go to some PTA meetings, help out, suggest a cheaper mum's night out if you'd like to socialise with them all?

DoNOTShakeItOff · 04/10/2024 23:03

Notmycircusnotmyotter · 04/10/2024 22:56

It's fundraising that benefits all pupils. They also do cheap events. I wouldn't criticise that.

No, as I've said a few times now, not a fundraiser. They decided not to as it would add an additional cost to the ticket price

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DoreenonTill8 · 04/10/2024 23:02

@DoNOTShakeItOff what's your issue? Really it sounds like you want to stop people who want to do a thing from doing a thing because 'sanctimonious reasons'?

DoNOTShakeItOff · 04/10/2024 23:02

FranceIsWhereItsAt · 04/10/2024 22:53

I think OP if you're on the committee, then it's your job to make them aware that this is unfair on people who don't have that sort of money for a night out. What exactly is the reason for this ball, if it's not to raise money for the school? If you don't know, then make a point of asking. Then in your shoes, I would be asking how they can advertise an event like this as being open to all parents and teachers, when there are some in the school, who are unable to afford a disco, let alone £60 for a night out. Point out, that not everyone is in the lucky position that they are, if they don't know your circumstances and you don't want to advertise it, you could say the same position as we are, which may make you seem more 'one of them' if you get my meaning, hence they're perhaps more likely to listen, than think you're out for a freebie. Maybe you could do some research beforehand, and see if you can come up with some other ideas, at a price that you think to be more affordable, and then you can make some suggestions at the same time as putting your point forward?

Thank you for this sensible, mature response 👍🏻 I'll do just that.

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DoNOTShakeItOff · 04/10/2024 23:00

@DoreenonTill8 Please point out where I've said that I want ANYTHING to be centred on me?!?! That's my worst nightmare!

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MargaretThursday · 04/10/2024 23:00

Fine. You organise an alternative one at £20 a head. People who choose to pay £60 will go to that. People who can only afford £20 can go to yours.
Although they'll also be people wouldn't afford that, so also organise one for £5, and you better do a free one for those that can't pay anything.

or in the real world, those that can afford the £60 and want to will go. A few of those will have to save up a bit for it, some will just pay it.
and the rest of us will go "I've a better use of £60, hope it goes well and they enjoy it" and not think about it again.

DoNOTShakeItOff · 04/10/2024 22:59

@Musclebeach You sound incredibly angry! Are you ok?

The only reason I can afford it is because I'm disabled! I've already explained that and the only reason I said that I could afford it, was to make it clear that this is not a jealousy issue - as I knew some posters would immediately declare jealousy, trying to start a pile on. 🙄

If having an issue with a state primary excluding parents from a social event because they want it to be 'middle class only' makes me "sanctimonious" then I'll take that.

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Wimbledonmum1985 · 04/10/2024 22:58

Sounds like great value and a fun night out. Winner!

StormingNorman · 04/10/2024 22:58

DoNOTShakeItOff · 04/10/2024 22:44

@StormingNorman As I've just said, plan something more realistic and more within reach for everyone. Yes it's probably difficult to put a price on what everyone can afford but Ballgowns?!?! Come on, that's not necessary.

Yes, actual ballgowns!

I actually don’t see what’s wrong with it. They are including everyone with a range of activities.

If you want a near-to-free event, you aren’t going to get much more than a school disco in the sports hall. You now what you don’t want, but you don’t have any idea really what you do want.

I suspect your feelings about becoming disabled are being directed at the people who go to the ball. Those are the feelings you need to address.

Seashor · 04/10/2024 22:57

Sirzy · 04/10/2024 22:22

But any event that has a charge will exclude some parents. The £2.50 disco may be a stretch for some. Where do you draw the line?

Presumably this event makes money which all children in the school benefit from?

Thank goodness for the PTA. Always being moaned about but giving up hours of their time to raise money for ALL the children! Yes, ALL the children. Perhaps give your own time up to organise something that is more affordable. I can guarantee you people will moan about you, won’t support you and you will wonder, as I regularly do, why you bothered.

LuluBlakey1 · 04/10/2024 22:56

I can't think of a much worse night out- except a hen night. I just wouldn't go anyway.

Notmycircusnotmyotter · 04/10/2024 22:56

It's fundraising that benefits all pupils. They also do cheap events. I wouldn't criticise that.

MeowCatPleaseMeowBack · 04/10/2024 22:55

DoNOTShakeItOff · 04/10/2024 22:47

Whether it's a bargain or not, is not really the point, is it?

I must admit, it is easy to tell for whom £60 is mere pocket change, on this thread! That's for sure.

Why not start a new mid-price event for people too snobby for a disco but for whom £60 is too much?

LuluBlakey1 · 04/10/2024 22:54

DoNOTShakeItOff · 04/10/2024 22:28

As I've said a couple of times now, it doesn't raise a penny for the school

They don'tdo some sort if 'promises' or 'raffles' or auction while they are at the event?

FranceIsWhereItsAt · 04/10/2024 22:53

I think OP if you're on the committee, then it's your job to make them aware that this is unfair on people who don't have that sort of money for a night out. What exactly is the reason for this ball, if it's not to raise money for the school? If you don't know, then make a point of asking. Then in your shoes, I would be asking how they can advertise an event like this as being open to all parents and teachers, when there are some in the school, who are unable to afford a disco, let alone £60 for a night out. Point out, that not everyone is in the lucky position that they are, if they don't know your circumstances and you don't want to advertise it, you could say the same position as we are, which may make you seem more 'one of them' if you get my meaning, hence they're perhaps more likely to listen, than think you're out for a freebie. Maybe you could do some research beforehand, and see if you can come up with some other ideas, at a price that you think to be more affordable, and then you can make some suggestions at the same time as putting your point forward?

AnneLovesGilbert · 04/10/2024 22:53

OP you sounds a bit sanctimonious to be honest.

A bit 😂

OP, as is usually said on this sort of thread, if you think they’re doing a bad job by all means get stuck in with your better ideas.

Ablondiebutagoody · 04/10/2024 22:53

If it was for the kids I would take your point but its not. Either go or don't go. I wouldn't even if it was £6 on the basis that it sounds like an awful evening. Who wants to hang out with teachers and the PTA?

There's no injustice, just a massive chip on your shoulder.

Ella31 · 04/10/2024 22:52

DoNOTShakeItOff · 04/10/2024 22:47

Whether it's a bargain or not, is not really the point, is it?

I must admit, it is easy to tell for whom £60 is mere pocket change, on this thread! That's for sure.

Thats very unkind. You have no idea here what people's financial positions are and many people prioritise different things.

SwanRivers · 04/10/2024 22:51

£60 works out at just over £1 per week over a year if parents/pupils want to save up for it.

Local Facebook groups are literally giving away prom dresses and shoes etc, after their kids are finished with them.

And NINE courses for £60 is an utter bargain.

Maria1979 · 04/10/2024 22:51

For some people 60£ is nothing, for some it is several days of eating. I agree that a state school should not encourage this.

DoreenonTill8 · 04/10/2024 22:51

Mainoo72 · 04/10/2024 22:35

So because a few parents can’t afford it, no one is allowed to enjoy it? It’s such a miserable approach. If it includes food, it sounds great to me.

This, I really can't stand the use of 'exclusionary' when it's really a 'wahhh! They're doing something that doesn't centre me, STOP THEM!!!'

Musclebeach · 04/10/2024 22:50

DoNOTShakeItOff · 04/10/2024 22:39

I don't have much in my life and I don't just mean in a materialistic context. I've lost a lot of what matters, so my principles & my morals mean quite a lot to me. I will absolutely get annoyed if I see injustice or inequality (stupid I know) and this has just got me annoyed as everything else at that school is spot on!

Perhaps I should become a local politician in my next life!

OP you sounds a bit sanctimonious to be honest.

You also like telling us that YOU can afford it but you are flexing your superior morals in support of the poor people (which isn’t you, you are on pupil premium by circumstance that is out of your control) then being all bashful about your fights for equality “stupid I know”, whilst basking in the glory of someone fighting the good fight for others.

Maybe put that immense righteous anger towards championing something more worthy than moaning about a school PYA

Most of the parents who can’t afford it or choose not to go likely don’t give a shiny shit what the others get up to.

TempestTost · 04/10/2024 22:49

DoNOTShakeItOff · 04/10/2024 22:47

Whether it's a bargain or not, is not really the point, is it?

I must admit, it is easy to tell for whom £60 is mere pocket change, on this thread! That's for sure.

It makes your story seem incredible. You can't have a ball with a nine course meal at that price. I wouldn't afford it either but I know what things cost.

TempestTost · 04/10/2024 22:48

I would argue that if it isn't a fundraiser in some way, the event isn't really what the PTA should be doing. They could be doing a fundraiser, instead they are apparently planning a ball.

I would also say that if there is a desire for a school social event it should be at a price point that is accessible to the vast majority of families.

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