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WWYD? Homeless outside house (diagram)

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NotUnusual · 04/10/2024 21:27

Hi, (apologies for crap diagram)

NC for this. The past couple of days I've noticed a homeless couple who are clearly addicts sleeping in the communal street bin corner directly opposite my house. They are cuddled up between 2 bins day and night, surrounded by drug paraphernalia. I got such a fright the first noticed, when I put the bin out yesterday and saw a pair of legs between the 2 black bins. This was at 12pm and they were still there at 4pm when I went to do the school run. Today they are still there.

I'm really concerned and dont know what to do. I'm selfishly more worried for me and DC than them as they are surrounded by needles and stuff. I'm trying to avoid putting any rubbish out, am triple checking doors are locked and banning DC from playing outside. I know it's wrong and it's obviously the state of the world at the moment for the homeless but I naively assumed they took refuge in the woods or shop doorways etc but to be lying between bins in Broad day light where kids live and play I just feel so anxious. Please don't pile on me, I know my thinking is wrong and self-centered

HELP!!

WWYD? Homeless outside house (diagram)
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BlackShuck3 · 06/10/2024 17:51

Very difficult situation, I hope they can be incentivised to move on OP.

summerlemons · 06/10/2024 14:27

I would absolutely call the police. It’s worth a try!

Comedycook · 06/10/2024 10:17

Maybe you could try writing to your MP? Don't sugarcoat anything...tell them you have very young children and you're terrified to leave your house

NotUnusual · 06/10/2024 10:03

Justice4Friend · 06/10/2024 03:13

Get them moved on however you can Police, MP, locals getting together. Needles - what if a kid gets a disease!
Is your area nice or a bit neglected?
What kind of community is there?

Just an update: They are still there. Workers came out twice to see them but didn't really do anything. I've spoke to a few of my neighbours this morning who have said this couple have been offered help numerous times by people in the community and services but they keep declining it and selling any items given to them to make them comfortable so they can access drugs. Apparently they were sleeping in the local woods and park until recently when people started to get really unhappy that their children were finding needles and human bodily fluids lying when out on walks. So it stupidly seems they've decided to take up camp on a residential street even closure to children for some reason.

No idea what to do now then if they are just refusing help, surely it's just going to get to the point where services just start ignoring these reports, which leaves the issue of my anxiety continuing to increase about being in such close proximity to them.

Edited to add that I wasn't meant to quote that post sorry.

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Justice4Friend · 06/10/2024 03:14

Are the bins in a store?
Have spiky bushes all around it so they can't get comfortable.

Justice4Friend · 06/10/2024 03:13

Get them moved on however you can Police, MP, locals getting together. Needles - what if a kid gets a disease!
Is your area nice or a bit neglected?
What kind of community is there?

sorrythetruthhurts · 06/10/2024 01:16

Ramblomatic · 05/10/2024 15:36

If they not actively committing a crime, what do you expect the police to do? They're not social workers and 'moving them along' so you don't have to look at them is a massive waste of their time.

Surely that's what the Community Protection Officers are for, in the cases where no crime is actually being committed (other than perhaps technically flytipping).

Namechangedforthisthreadhere · 06/10/2024 01:10

Don't try and help them beyond calling streetlink. People in active addiction are erratic and if you don't know how to manage the situation could put yourself at risk. I agree they are people, and being human goes a long way but in this situation calling on agencies designed to help us a lot more than others would do.

Lyracappul · 06/10/2024 01:01

Going outside wear your heaviest boots. No sandals flip flops. Wear thickest marigolds gloves you have. I’d be intimidated too.educate kids not to touch syringes or needles. If you absolutely must pick one up use litter picker, into a plastic bottle you can screw a lid on.

DiscoBeat · 06/10/2024 00:41

I would contact a local drug rehabilitation or homeless charity, I think they would be more helpful than the police. Although talking to them to see how you can help is a nice idea, in reality it's probably more specialist help that they need and you don't have to get personally involved. See what you can find online about nearby support groups.

AnxietySloth · 06/10/2024 00:28

Do not be guilted into approaching them, talking to them or having any sympathy for them by people on here. Addicts can't be trusted - at all. And yes of course the police should arrest them - they're carrying out an illegal activity in the street and on private property. I can't believe anyone actually thinks it's ok that the police would let them lie around by the bins like that?!

I'd report and repot and report, OP. Make yourself the absolute squeakiest wheel you can be. Make it so that its more hassle to deal with your constant calls than with the druggies.

OCDmama · 05/10/2024 19:53

You need a gate on the bin shed.

This exact thing happened to us. The week we moved in a homeless man overdosed and died in the bin shed, then we had people living in there and shooting up.

All it took was a gate to be installed to stop this behaviour. Gate can be opened using a firefighters key which bin men will have so no problem there.

Yes we should empathise with people living with addiction - but you also have a right to use basic amenities without coming into contact with used needles or someone off their face.

Childfreecatlady · 05/10/2024 16:45

A few people have said to approach them, see if they need something, do not do that, just report them. When I lived in London we had the same issue, a drug addict/homeless man was squatting very close to our house and I would see him in the mornings when walking to work. Someone gave me the same advice and one day he tried to get me to come and talk to him and kept moving along the back of the house. I told him no and tried to keep walking, making sure I stayed in public view and finally he gave up. He was so creepy I wanted to report him and spoke to a few people but was told nothing can be done. Then a few days later another girl actually followed him, he raped her at knifepoint and killed her. It was all over the news. I know it's not a super likely scenario, but it's not worth it. Keep your distance, these people are dangerous.

PolaroidPrincess · 05/10/2024 15:51

I can totally understand you being concerned.

Definitely contact Streetlink. They won't know it's you that has contacted them and also contact your local Councillor as previously suggested about the needles.

I don't think being extra vigilant will hurt either, so don't leave windows open, that kind of thing Flowers

Ramblomatic · 05/10/2024 15:36

MidnightPatrol · 04/10/2024 21:56

I have not led a very sheltered life, but I have never seen homeless people in as bad a state as
the last year or so.

Junkies living on the street. Often living in piles of rubbish, the ground black underneath them. Often semi-dressed, no shoes, unconscious.

I report stuff ALL THE TIME and no one seems to care. Got a message from the police ‘call an ambulance if you’re worried’ on reporting a man living in a pile of rotting food in a touristy central London location.

Police don’t care, hospitals aren’t set up
to manage them, homeless charities don’t seem to deal with addicts.

The total lack of empathy from the police I have managed to engage has been bleak. As long as they aren’t dead, they aren’t going to do anything.

If they not actively committing a crime, what do you expect the police to do? They're not social workers and 'moving them along' so you don't have to look at them is a massive waste of their time.

NotUnusual · 05/10/2024 15:01

Thank you those so far for the advice. It's the council who maintains and owns the bin area, my home is private rent though so I'm not sure if that makes any difference. Unfortunately there was a gang of them (around 6-7) right outside my door this morning for 2 hours so I'm very wary to even leave the house today, especially when I know they are there. I'm also worried that people are going to think I'm involved with this as they literally stood/sat outside my backdoor (directly faces on to the road, no garden).

It is abit extreme but if there is literally no where to remove this issue, should I look at some home security measures? I'm even considering looking to move, but what's to say this issue won't be an issue elsewhere, which is very likely at the moment. I'm just so anxious and feel like I'm trapped in my own home, by default I'm also trapping my DC inside too because of this.

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mynewhouse · 05/10/2024 08:56

There was a couple living in the communal bin house where I used to live. There were no needles or anything like that though, they were very polite and left first thing in the morning. I felt so sorry for them that I just let them be. There were several homeless shelters in the area but it’s really hard for couples like that because they have to go to separate male/ female shelters and they want to stay together. I would have reported it to the management company if the circumstances were different. It was a private apartment complex. Who owns/ maintains the bin house? That’s who you need to contact.
I know my sister had the exact same problem where she lived and unfortunately it is really hard to stop people from doing this.

Allthehorsesintheworld · 05/10/2024 08:40

Check online who your local councillor is, might be more than one. Just Google find my local councillor X town.

Tulip8 · 05/10/2024 08:38

MidnightPatrol · 04/10/2024 21:30

Had a similar problem recently OP.

Police don’t care, you can log it but they don’t seem arsed. Last time I pointed a homeless, unconscious semi-naked man collapsed across a tube station entrance - the policeman reluctantly prodded him with his shoe, and on confirming he was alive that was it.

So - best course of action is your local councillor. There great for these kinds of issues. They may be able to identify the right services to help / be at the right people to find a solution .

What do you want the police to do? Arrest them?

chickennoodless · 05/10/2024 08:36

OP - I used to work on a detox programme for drug addicts for years, I was made redundant under David Cameron’s gov! There are now very few programmes around the country that deal with addicts! The Tory’s cut them all! As a result they are now all on the street.
Is the paraphernalia they’re leaving on the floor needles? If so please report this to the council/ local councillor, get any neighbours you know to do the same. Keep repeating that it’s a health and safety issue.
In my experience I have never been attacked by an addict, this is not me trying to convince you to engage with them, just trying to settle your nerves.
I would say however your concern over burglary could be correct, just don’t leave any opportunities. It will mostly be items they can sell quickly on the street or at a pawn shop. Gold, small electrical items etc.
I am sorry I have no advice about moving them on, the police will not care. Your only hope is that they take the offer of help from a service near you.

AdoraBell · 04/10/2024 22:39

YANBU. Report them on the links given here. They need help and the needles left around are sever risk for children passing.

bumblebee1000 · 04/10/2024 22:32

Balloonhearts · 04/10/2024 22:30

If they're literally shooting up in the street call police.

They wont be interested....a friend who is 74 had a naked man in front garden passed out with syringe in leg and crack pipe in hand...police told her it was not an emergency !!

Balloonhearts · 04/10/2024 22:30

If they're literally shooting up in the street call police.

CherryDrops89 · 04/10/2024 22:28

ThatOpenSwan · 04/10/2024 21:40

I'd be really worried about them, trying to get some help for them, and possibly having a chat with them to find out what they need. They're people, OP - they might be scary and aggressive and awful people but they are quite likely not to be (based on all my anecdata of having conversations with homeless people) and you won't know until you've talked to them. (I fully admit that they're very likely to be a bit mad but that's different and no barrier to a pleasant and sometimes entertaining chat.) They're in an awful situation, and most of us in the UK are a lot closer to homelessness than we'd like to imagine.

If that's too much or if the vibes are truly really threatening rather than just unexpectedly alarming, Streetlink are a good shout as above.

It isn't the OP's job to chat to them and find out what they need. They either don't know or are incapable of sustaining any of that right now, the poor people are living by some bins surrounded by drug paraphernalia. OP I'd call the council to report the drug paraphernalia littered on the floor, 101 to log drug use and street link or any local homeless charities. Their situation is sad but you should be able to let the kids out to play and comfortably but your rubbish out

MidnightPatrol · 04/10/2024 21:56

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 04/10/2024 21:38

It seems to be becoming "normal" unfortunately. I know in Glasgow junkies getting into people's closes to shoot up is common and the police do nothing.

I have not led a very sheltered life, but I have never seen homeless people in as bad a state as
the last year or so.

Junkies living on the street. Often living in piles of rubbish, the ground black underneath them. Often semi-dressed, no shoes, unconscious.

I report stuff ALL THE TIME and no one seems to care. Got a message from the police ‘call an ambulance if you’re worried’ on reporting a man living in a pile of rotting food in a touristy central London location.

Police don’t care, hospitals aren’t set up
to manage them, homeless charities don’t seem to deal with addicts.

The total lack of empathy from the police I have managed to engage has been bleak. As long as they aren’t dead, they aren’t going to do anything.