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There’s no way this can work is there?

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Pickledpicklez · 04/10/2024 17:41

If there is, please advise.

dm is getting elderly, lives in other end of country. Time is coming to think of more long term plans. Not quite yet but in the next 3 years.

as a working theory we’ve said, well both sell our homes and buy a larger house with an annex for her. Perfect, except there seems to be no way to make this actually possible as no one will let us view a house because we’ve got not one but two houses to sell. So 2 chains.

Dh and I would like another child, so our family may expand. And we don’t have enough savings nor is it affordable mortgage wise to take out a second mortgage especially as we’d be looking at a 5 bed house with an annex, either as an out building or side of the house. We’d need it already built and we’d need to close to my kids school (one of the best in the city so seems foolish to move from the catchment area)

we don’t have enough room as is for dm to sell up and move in now. Plus dm isn’t an easy woman, the annex for some separate living conditions is an absolute must.

only thing I can think of is bridging loan (high risk) and moving my house to consent to let on interest only to remove the capital and maxing out affordability, BUT likely no high street lender would touch us because it’s so high risk and even writing down it’s likely not affordable.

one option is that she needs to sell toute suite and move into a cheap rental but who knows how long it would be til we could find a house that ticks all the boxes

anyone had similar and can help me.

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cuddlebear · 04/10/2024 21:04

Apologies, I posted a very practical post without reading that actually you don’t want to live with her.

Why do you care so much about what “the community “ thinks? Where the fuck do you live that this is a thing? Move away!!!

You don’t have to live with anyone you don’t want to. Life is short.

Choux · 04/10/2024 20:59

My parents lived in a place owned by this association for the last 5 years of my dad's life.

www.housing21.org.uk

The one they specifically wanted to live in only had rentals so they rented a two bedroom flat. It was modern, clean, had an on-site manager during office hours, two lounges to mix with other residents in, a restaurant that did breakfasts and lunches, an on-site hairdressers and church. And this was in a deprived northern town. There was a social committee of some of the younger residents who organised regular social events with singers, bingo, quizzes, birthday parties, days out etc. There were also a team of carers based there so when they needed care it was easy to organise (for an extra cost) and when my dad was really ill they would do extra welfare checks on him as they were literally passing his door several times a day.

They loved it there as it was a real community. Mum couldn't carry on living there after dad died as she has dementia and can't live independently / needs supervision 24/7 so had to move to a care home.

suki1964 · 04/10/2024 20:58

@Pickledpicklez

This is the exact scenario that me and DH faced 20 years ago

We were moving 500 miles away, mum started crying that she would be alone dealing with Stepdad ( disabled ) no family , please let us come

I dont particularly like my mother so to me it was a really difficult decision

I wanted as a compromise, to buy two houses next door to each other, but nope, she was adamant she wanted to live with us

Took a lot of time and searching but we found a house that suited us all, mum and SD had three bedrooms, living room, two bathrooms, we had the same, the only shared space was the kitchen/diner

20 years down the road, SD has been dead 12 years, and mum is becoming frail, we are getting older, and our lives are not our own

We cant go on holiday. She refuses respite, says we are trying to get rid of her. I have to come home from work to cook a balanced meal so she gets fed adequately whereas quite often we want a curry/indian/wraps - ( foreign muck, too spicy etc) . We cant go away at Christmas, even a night out has to be planned well in advance. We had to build an outside "play room" so that we can entertain friends , listen to music, make a noise , have a row

And now we in our 60's are stuck with a huge house, with just 3 of us living in it

My wee sister has the same with her FIL, as she said to me, living the life of an 80+ year old when in your 50's/60's is no way to live. And its not.

We dont have children at home, you do. Do you want to be forever telling them to keep the noise down, be home before blah blah, not have their friends home making a noise and mess?

twomanyfrogsinabox · 04/10/2024 20:57

Could she live in your house temporarily? If so sell her house first then buy your combined house while selling yours. I would have loved to have my mum live with us, but it didn't happen which I regret.

Pickledpicklez · 04/10/2024 20:51

EverybodyWantsTo · 04/10/2024 20:40

Well that's the issue then, not the two houses but that neither are on the market! Put them on the market and then you can view houses.

with the houses I wanted to view, it was that neither were sold, not just listed, sold

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nothingcomestonothing · 04/10/2024 20:51

Pickledpicklez · 04/10/2024 20:43

That’s it with MIL, dh wouldn’t let it be a council ran care home, and the backlash from the community and his family would be well biblical.

Are 'the community and his family' going to care for her? No? They can have an opinion once they are, til then they can stfu.

She lives somewhere now I take it? If social housing she can move to social housing assisted living, if owned property it can be sold to pay for her to buy an assisted living place. Moving in with you isn't inevitable, unless you allow it to be.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/10/2024 20:49

Pickledpicklez · 04/10/2024 20:43

That’s it with MIL, dh wouldn’t let it be a council ran care home, and the backlash from the community and his family would be well biblical.

Then I'm afraid it'll just have to be endured - the point being that they'll get over the initial horror in time, whereas if you took MIL in your own pain could last for decades and since your marriage could well be over anyway it would have been for nothing

This can sometimes be an issue in cross cultural relationships, but what's too often forgotten is that both cultures deserve equal consideration and not just the one which shouts loudest

Northernlass44 · 04/10/2024 20:46

If your mother in law is close enough as you say why can't she stay where she is and if time comes for carers then council will fund so much if no money and you could help a bit at her flat

ThinWomansBrain · 04/10/2024 20:44

I'd speak with a mortgage broker about the options.

Well made point about the difficulties of living together 24/7, however well you get on.
Have you considered sheltered housing near you? I helped my Dad sell his property and purchase a flat in a seniors development with a day time warden - he was sceptical at first, but had a stroke shortly after I'd suggested the idea.
He was there for five years, and remained far more independent that he would have done otherwise, and probably for a lot longer.

Pickledpicklez · 04/10/2024 20:43

Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/10/2024 20:40

So here’s my thinking now. Dm in time when she wants downsizes and when the time is right, assisted living closer to us

Makes perfect sense, OP

Regarding funding, your "affluent" DM will need to pay for it herself, just as anyone else with assets pays for their housing
Your MIL, on the other hand, will probably need a Social Services assessment to identify what they'll fund for her, and rather than the more desirable assisted living it could well be a council run care home

Good luck with your DH/MIL if they're told that, but it makes no difference to the fact it can't be forced onto you, even if DH goes behind your back and tells the assessors you're willing to do it

That’s it with MIL, dh wouldn’t let it be a council ran care home, and the backlash from the community and his family would be well biblical.

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EverybodyWantsTo · 04/10/2024 20:40

Pickledpicklez · 04/10/2024 19:12

they literally won’t let us, I saw a lovely ticks all the boxes house (and you’ve seen how many boxes we’ve got) and the agent said the seller refused (different houses have said the same now) as they want basically first time buyers or someone in more an immediate position. Chatting at work others have found this problem too, people won’t let you view a house when yours isn’t even on the market

Well that's the issue then, not the two houses but that neither are on the market! Put them on the market and then you can view houses.

TheHateIsNotGood · 04/10/2024 20:40

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that your MIL has 'nothing'. Does she currently rent privately or SH? How far away does she currently live from you?

With regards to 'sheltered' SH there is some flexibility when it comes to allocation and 'family connections'. Harsh to say it, but that's because the 'turnover' of tenants is far more speedier than for housing families in need.

For obvious reasons.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/10/2024 20:40

So here’s my thinking now. Dm in time when she wants downsizes and when the time is right, assisted living closer to us

Makes perfect sense, OP

Regarding funding, your "affluent" DM will need to pay for it herself, just as anyone else with assets pays for their housing
Your MIL, on the other hand, will probably need a Social Services assessment to identify what they'll fund for her, and rather than the more desirable assisted living it could well be a council run care home

Good luck with your DH/MIL if they're told that, but it makes no difference to the fact it can't be forced onto you, even if DH goes behind your back and tells the assessors you're willing to do it

Pickledpicklez · 04/10/2024 20:36

AncientAndModern1 · 04/10/2024 20:32

She’s only 75. My mum is 85 and active and completely independent. This all seems v premature.

we have a new build house, and the nhbc guarantee is up in 6 years. Makes sense to sell when we have some tenure left on it, there’s good demand for these houses, strike whilst the iron is hot sort of thing and I don’t want to move twice in 5 or 10 years… bit too much

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Northernlass44 · 04/10/2024 20:35

Pickledpicklez · 04/10/2024 20:30

How much are they to buy?

thing is the community uproar would be fucking huge. If we were seen to palm her off to a home,

could one be held on to from my mum or would it make sense to sell it to the housing association and then IF MIL need it basically re buy?

Found this info https://www.ageuk.org.uk/information-advice/care/housing-options/sheltered-housing/

https://www.ageuk.org.uk/information-advice/care/housing-options/sheltered-housing

3luckystars · 04/10/2024 20:34

I can’t stress this enough, DO NOT DO THIS.

Don't do it. Please don’t make the biggest mistake of your life living with your MIL.

Pickledpicklez · 04/10/2024 20:34

Cm19841 · 04/10/2024 20:28

Doesn't matter about an annexe. You said "We don’t have the bedrooms, and I just can’t. I honestly can’t, she’s too much. She’s got a lot of opinions and shares them, there’s also just no space, I don’t think it’s fair on DH to have her just there all the time,"

You do not want to live together. You will resent her. Caring for a difficult elderly relative is not worth risking a happy marriage for. And a parent should not expect it. I get the feeling you're only doing this because your husband wants to do the same with his parent(s) at some point and there is the possibility of a bigger home along the line.

Sorry, you should be realistic now. Your mother can consider moving to a smaller, supported housing situation nearby and you can maintain your own life, have another child and enjoy your married life. Nobody loses in that scenario.

This is terrible and please don’t judge me, I feel awful even writing it. I was sort of hoping it would never come to pass for MIL moving in (I know it’s terrible thinking that or almost hoping ) but it’s definitely an expectation of my mum too.

but I’m mid 30s… I do feel like my whole life would be gone caring for people. No house no life of my own, drowning under the weight of other peoples expectations

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Northernlass44 · 04/10/2024 20:33

Pickledpicklez · 04/10/2024 20:30

How much are they to buy?

thing is the community uproar would be fucking huge. If we were seen to palm her off to a home,

could one be held on to from my mum or would it make sense to sell it to the housing association and then IF MIL need it basically re buy?

Sheltered accommodation look more like flats not care homes just with added support if needed these ones for those that have no money like my mates dad who js old but got pip etc you don't buy you rent they in bradford however more expensive ones you can buy or rent

AncientAndModern1 · 04/10/2024 20:32

She’s only 75. My mum is 85 and active and completely independent. This all seems v premature.

Pickledpicklez · 04/10/2024 20:30

Northernlass44 · 04/10/2024 20:26

Thing is as my friend is finding out if you don't have money to buy a place then there is a waiting list by council so if this is what you want for the mother in law with no money you must contact adult social care in your area and explain what you want and they will sign post council as my friend dad is 17 in line so u r waiting for them to pass away or move to care home etc . However if your mum has money then there are places you biy not rent

How much are they to buy?

thing is the community uproar would be fucking huge. If we were seen to palm her off to a home,

could one be held on to from my mum or would it make sense to sell it to the housing association and then IF MIL need it basically re buy?

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Aligirlbear · 04/10/2024 20:29

One to one carers are extra.

If MIL can’t buy they do also rent the flats.

TheHateIsNotGood · 04/10/2024 20:29

And with your latest post OP then you clearly have a DH problem; not quite divorce-inducing, LTB territory, but if the 'cultural expectations' of recent years has been that you've been living together along more UK-based cultural expectations then he's on the back foot with changing the 'expectations' to suit his DM's needs along 'cultural' lines.

cuddlebear · 04/10/2024 20:29

I bought a house from someone who was selling along with his mother to buy a house with an annexe. It’s not such an unusual situation.

I don’t understand why it’s problematic for you. Have you tried various agents?

Northernlass44 · 04/10/2024 20:29

Maybe depends on area if waiting list but sure is for my mate who now has her dad living with her in bradford and they r don't know when availability for sheltered acvomkdation this has been ongoing since last year

Cm19841 · 04/10/2024 20:28

Doesn't matter about an annexe. You said "We don’t have the bedrooms, and I just can’t. I honestly can’t, she’s too much. She’s got a lot of opinions and shares them, there’s also just no space, I don’t think it’s fair on DH to have her just there all the time,"

You do not want to live together. You will resent her. Caring for a difficult elderly relative is not worth risking a happy marriage for. And a parent should not expect it. I get the feeling you're only doing this because your husband wants to do the same with his parent(s) at some point and there is the possibility of a bigger home along the line.

Sorry, you should be realistic now. Your mother can consider moving to a smaller, supported housing situation nearby and you can maintain your own life, have another child and enjoy your married life. Nobody loses in that scenario.

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