AIBU to think it doesn't matter whether the government is Labour or Tory?

The last labour goverment introduced Children’s centre as part of their Every Child Matters programme. The long term research into the outcomes of the now adults who lived near those centres as children show that they did make a positive difference.

Indeed @Chipsintheair

I would go as a far to say that if we had a pandemic in say, 2007, the NHS and country would have coped a lot better. We are properly the sick man of Europe again now.

I think the tens of thousands killed by austerity measures would disagree with you, were they still alive to do so.

So would the disabled people driven to suicide and poverty by the previous government's scapegoating tactics.

So would the million children in poverty.

No it's another "They're all the same as each other" thread. 14 years of the Tories has left a lot of voter apathy in its wake. 🙄

You mean asylum seekers not immigrants. We let in hundreds of thousand of immigrants to work especially in the NHS. I don't understand how you came to the conclusion that the comparitvely tiny percentage of asylum seekers have caused the kind of deprivation and neglect we experienced under the Tories.

easy and simplistic to blame immigrants - maybe you cant get a GP appointment due to an increasing older population needing more appointments and a lack of preparing for this by successive Govts

For examples - figures show:

Summary - outpatient attendances by age and gender (incl. maternity specific attendances), 2019-20

Women comprised 55.5 million attendances (57.8 per cent), compared to 40.6 million for men (42.1 per cent).

For women, the age group with greatest number of attendances was 30-34 years (4.5 million) for men it was 70-74 years (4.3 million). ( Women mainly maternity)

The most attendances were made by patients aged between 60-79 years with 30.6 million (31.9 percent) for both males and females.

Well, whoever you vote for the government always get in.

Labour generally do much better with public services though, whereas Tories always try and dismantle them.

If you genuinely believe this then you are coming from a pretty uninformed position.

The tories and honest do not often fall in the same sentence.
Listen to the nonsense Cleverly is talking about the Chagos Islands given back to Mauritius. He started the process in 2022, hoping to finish in 2023. And now he is all over it as if it is a bad idea dreamt up by labour.
The problem is if these people say something often enough too many people believe to. The is an enormous lack of critical thinking skills in this country, as evidenced in this thread.

As a civil servant, it feels pretty different working for a govt not slagging you off in the press every other day.

Well there is definitely very little difference between this allegedly Labour government and the Tories. Even down to the backhanders.

I say this as someone brought up staunch Labour, and later a member of the Labour party in my own right. I stopped being a member when Tony Blair became leader and he transformed it from being a socialist party to a Tory lite party.

I've never voted Labour since although if I lived in England I would have voted for Labour when Jeremy Corbyn was leader. But living in Scotland I wouldn't have voted for Scottish Labour.

The Labour Party used to have beliefs and policies. It no longer does. At least the Tories are honest that they are about maintaining the interests of the rich and powerful. Labour are doing that whilst pretending they have the interests of the country at heart.

But it is a political problem re how to deal with an increasing population, no?

You're correct that a rising population is a global problem, but there's different ways of dealing with this issue, and that's where politics comes in.

Is this another labour bashing thread with a different perspective?

So essentially, you're so privileged that the choices made by the government don't effect you?

This, they're all the same narrative is such a load of bollocks

For example, see the image below with regards to NHS waiting lists

What makes a difference to the poorest makes a difference to us all. Poor people don't exist in a vacuum in unpleasant places we don't have to visit. They use the same services as the rest of us, and the poorer they get the more they need them and the tighter they're stretched. Anyone who isn't sufficiently wealthy as to be untouchable should listen very hard and care very much about the respective administrations plans for the poorest people in society because poverty is extremely expensive and the middle will be paying for it.

You read the right wing press don't you. Lack of investment and years of austerity has led to our current crisis in public services and poverty but it's all been blamed on immigrants. And who has been letting in the immigrants?

It is not to do with the increased population, but very much to do with government policy.

It's made a huge difference. You're just not interested enough in the detail of public policy to be noticing. And that's fine - in a way it should be unnoticeable.
What things have you noticed be better or worse though? Eg isn't it harder to get a GP appointment now? If you had children: when was their schooling and were you happy with it?