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hampsteadfeat · 04/10/2024 11:00

Long story short..

My childhood and one of my closest friends, of forty years and I , recently went away to a yoga retreat. We haven't spent a weekend fully together since we were young and single.

I am a lone parent. She isn't. We each have three kids all between 12-16.
When I state' lone ' I mean lone as in I have little or no support. One of my kids has autism.
My friend is married and her husband is mostly hands on.
I was very anxious for the first day or so. I couldnt relax as my kids were with different families and needed contact for various reasons.
Her kids were at home with her husband.

She seemed very irritated with me. She felt I was agitated and unsettled and suggested more counselling and a lot of woo to support myself. I am time poor and low in funds.

I had really thought that I was doing well. I have lots of counselling and am putting strategies into place to support myself as best I can eg sleep, water, nutrition, exercise and meditation.

I could see that I was unsettled, I couldn't switch off and was anxious as one of my kids was very upset at home.

My friend is very anal about times, activities, plans. I am not as I do not have that luxury.and frankly I don't live by a clock .
I just went along with her plans as it suited me also but she was definitely annoyed that I couldn't just enjoy this retreat by switching straight into relax mode.
Who is unreasonable here ?

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RaspberryBeretxx · 04/10/2024 11:33

I think she was BU and she sounds very much lacking in empathy. You feeling agitated sounds entirely reasonable given the circumstances. I'm sorry you're having such a tough time and hope you had a chance to relax a bit despite the worries and the regimented timing (enforced bed time at 9 is excessive!).

hampsteadfeat · 04/10/2024 11:26

We did every single activity on time and as planned. What I meant was outside of that time...
Particular about bed times, meal times, free times etc when there was no need for exact times.
For example... we will go to bed at nine as we will be up early. We will eat dinner at seven so we don't get indigestion etc.
Majority on her terms and she became quite unsettled if there was any alternatives suggested but that is the way she has always been. She is adorable but a very strong personality who likes her own way and feels her plans are best.

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Jessieshome · 04/10/2024 11:26

Well that's because the expectation of a yoga retreat is quite literally to switch your mind off and mentally relax. Like someone else said, clearly the totally wrong activity to have chosen. Definitely do something with much less specific expectations next time.

You said in your original post she seemed irritated at your agitation, so clearly she was aware of your mental state even if you were trying to internalise it, it was clearly obvious to her. If you are trying to meditate, or be meditative over a few days, if you are sat next to someone you know is agitated it's quite stressful and will definitely impact on your own experience, relaxation and mental state. which would have been irritating.

It was just the wrong choice of activity. Hopefully you'll find a mutually better one next time.

tuvamoodyson · 04/10/2024 11:25

YABU.

Mitherations · 04/10/2024 11:23

Neither unreasonable, both in very different head spaces. It's a world of difference coming to an event as a married supported person with three kids at home with their father and as a lone unsupported parent with three kids in different places and you being the only point of contact should anything go wrong.

I think if anyone is being unreasonable it's you being too hard on yourself and expecting not to feel like your mind was elswehere, and not being able to switch off entirely immediately.

I've had to come away from friends as life has rolled on because we were no longer aligned, and that's okay. That's life, we all change.

Go for a cocktail next time.

Hoppinggreen · 04/10/2024 11:23

Neither of you.
Your behaviour was completely understandable but so was hers.
She wanted a chilled out time and your anxiety impacted that, nobody is at fault

Aligirlbear · 04/10/2024 11:22

You say it didn’t affect her personally - but it did. You were on a Yoga retreat which is about peacefulness and calm and you were stressed* *and agitated about your kids which would impact on the mood. And you felt upset because she wasn’t sympathetic to your stress as your kids were missing you - but in reality there nothing life threatening with the kids.

In future might be better if you choose something less intense as an experience as you both respond differently to being away from your families - both for valid reasons.

Brefugee · 04/10/2024 11:21

My friend is very anal about times, activities, plans. I am not as I do not have that luxury.and frankly I don't live by a clock .

You are VU here. If i have booked a retreat with activities, for sure i want to be doing those, not as acting as unpaid support human for a friend who is stressed.

If you are time poor, btw, "being anal" about a schedule would do you the world of good, OP.

hampsteadfeat · 04/10/2024 11:18

My agitation had no bearing on her experience of the retreat itself. I believe that she wanted me to behave in a certain way ie shut off my life once we'd walked into the retreat , as she had. I was not talking about my feelings to her but rather quiet and introspective.
I cannot shut off my mind like that as that's not who I am.

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Jessieshome · 04/10/2024 11:16

It is actually extremely stressful being with someone who is very anxious and stressy themselves, whether you had reasonable justification to be or not, Anxious stressful people make those around them anxious and stressed!

She needed to be more understanding but I'm ot sure you realise your impact on her or as someone else said, you might not know what stresses she may have in her life and she may have needed a relaxing weekend too.

KindOf · 04/10/2024 11:14

Well, you feel how you feel, but I’d certainly be monumentally irritated if, barring unforeseen emergencies, the friend I’d gone on a yoga retreat with was wrecking my head being ‘agitated’. Maybe try a lower stakes, less expensive meeting next time — if you are regularly stressed and anxious, this was a poor choice of activity to meet a friend at, and it clearly didn’t work for either of you.

hampsteadfeat · 04/10/2024 11:13

Thanks. I guess she can and always could. She can compartmentalise really easily and I guess her husband being at home with sole responsibility of their kids was a huge load off for her too.
I'm disappointed tbh.
While I know her concerns were from a place of kindness, I can't help but feel misunderstood and actually disrespected. Her tone was irritated and at times condescending. The thing is.... she is very aware of my circumstances so I'm surprised that she was so put off by my obvious jumpiness.
It didn't affect her personally so why be so irritated? To add, she has a need to always be right/ correct in her opinions and assumptions.

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Jessieshome · 04/10/2024 11:12

Your friend could have been a lot more understanding and helped you with being less anxious about your kids, assuming they were safe, being a bit upset for being away from you isn't going to harm them, they'll survive a weekend without you even if they're upset and stressed, you obviously need a break. But I also imagine it's irritating being on a retreat with someone who is not present and fretting about things that probably didn't need too much fretting.

You sound like polar opposites of each other so it's probably hard to see things from each other perspective but perhaps if she tried to put herself in your shoes and if you tried to adopt some of her time management skills your life would be easier and she would have been kinder.

She was possibly hoping this weekend would be good for you and felt you weren't fully embracing it and was irritated on your behalf.

She's the more unreasonable one I'd say but, it possibly would have done you the world of good to be more like her for the weekend.

Sorry you're having a stressful time.

BrimfulofSasha · 04/10/2024 11:11

Nobody is being unreasonable. Or more so than the other.

having a husband, even a hands on one, doesn’t mean a stress free life. Being solo and having a kid with autism dies t mean you monopolise stress and worry.

you both lack understanding, which is reasonable given you don’t walk in each others shoes.

i would be annoyed if my restful yoga retreat was made stressful, but I wouldn’t blame you for worrying about your children

JohnSt1 · 04/10/2024 11:09

Naturally you're going to be anxious in that situation. If you could just switch off and enter relaxed mode, we'd all do it.

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