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Starting my Social Services parenting class today. Filled with rage. AIBU?

134 replies

BigSmallFigBall · 04/10/2024 09:47

My 7 year old daughter told me about abuse by her father - weird controlling stuff about toilet use and being strangled when he was angry.

I reported the abuse and there was no negative consequence for him. The idiot social worker suggested to my daughter's face that she was lying because my daughter didn't demonstrate that she protested forcefully enough when being strangled. I was told I need to support the father/daughter relationship more.

My punishment for reporting the abuse is that I have to attend 20 hours of parenting courses, starting today. I could have used this time to do things with/for my daughter.

AIBU to feel rage over this?

OP posts:
AgileGreenSeal · 04/10/2024 11:03

Chowtime · 04/10/2024 10:55

Great advice

It's not a "punishment" OP. Just go, you never know, they might teach you some tactics you hadn't thought of previously.

I bet your ex doesn't go to every session.

What “tactics” might the mother learn that will help her daughter the next time she is being strangled by her father? 🤔

Edingril · 04/10/2024 11:00

BigSmallFigBall · 04/10/2024 10:57

I think they were suggesting that she was lying, since someone who had been strangled would obviously respond more forcefully. Apparently including a tiny child being throttled by a grown man.

Well you are both her parents, you both had her as a child so maybe the parenting lessons may help you learn things to parent with the person you chose to be a parent with?

AgileGreenSeal · 04/10/2024 10:59

Pollymollydolly · 04/10/2024 10:29

You can feel rage or you can choose to participate with an open mind and see if this course can help you with parenting in a difficult situation.

I’m sorry that you have experienced this but if I were you I would be open to support. Parenting is bloody difficult - even with two good, non abusive parents - and you can’t change her father. Maybe this course will be of some benefit to you, even if it is just meeting other parents who may be experiencing similar difficulties (by which I mean the situation with your ex).

what I’m trying to say is you are in this situation, you can’t change it but you can change how you look at it. If you look at this course as a “punishment” and continue with that narrative you will become more angry and bitter - which ultimately is only going to damage you. You will find plenty of people who will happily agree with you and rage at the system and the “useless social workers” but you will still be in the same situation, just more filled with righteous indignation and resentment which isn’t going to help you one iota.

It is absolutely punishment, for raising the issue.

The model seems to be

  1. ”contact at all costs” even if one parent has a history of abusive behaviour and abuse is being currently reported.
  2. both parents need to be managed / re-educated to successfully co-parent. The non-abusive parent must be made to believe that “work” done by SS with the abuser has been successful and that all is now good.
  3. any prior history of domestic abuse against the mother is disregarded by SS and said mother must be re-educated to believe that her erstwhile abuser is now a reformed character and has changed his behaviour in spite of the evidence in front of her.
  4. any abusive behaviour reported by said mother is evidence of her being at fault (trying to alienate the child/ren from the other parent/ trying to get revenge on other parent / not ‘moving on’) rather than a genuine report of contemporary abuse against a person with a history of abusive behaviour.
  5. if said mother persists in making reports of abusive behaviour against the other parent she is deemed to be definitely guilty of parental alienation and needs to have her child/ren removed and placed with the other parent.
EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 04/10/2024 10:58

I take it they are viewing it as parental alienation?

AimieDaisy · 04/10/2024 10:58

MsTeatime · 04/10/2024 10:57

I'd have a chat with your DC and let them know if there's anything they feel uncomfortable about or that scares them at home then they should tell their teachers at school about it. A disclosure like that will trigger a safeguarding investigation and it's not you making the report so no parental alienation angle especially if you haven't mentioned your ex just any time they are sad or worried they can tell a teacher.

This is what I came to suggest.

Pollymollydolly · 04/10/2024 10:57

SunQueen24 · 04/10/2024 10:52

@Pollymollydolly you’re being patronising. OP is angry because she is powerless to protect her daughter from a perceived threat, which goes against every fibre of your being as an adult. Social services have inserted a barrier and shifted responsibility back to OP, not empowered her or supported her.

Your post is doing the exact same.

Being patronising? By understanding that op has been through an horrendous situation and will have to continue Co parenting with this man? By understanding that she has to do a parenting course she doesn’t want to do? For suggesting that she might meet other parents there in a similar situation? For trying to help her find ways to get through this bit (the course she has to do) feeling less angry and upset?

MsTeatime · 04/10/2024 10:57

I'd have a chat with your DC and let them know if there's anything they feel uncomfortable about or that scares them at home then they should tell their teachers at school about it. A disclosure like that will trigger a safeguarding investigation and it's not you making the report so no parental alienation angle especially if you haven't mentioned your ex just any time they are sad or worried they can tell a teacher.

BigSmallFigBall · 04/10/2024 10:57

Sceptical123 · 04/10/2024 10:50

So the social worker was victim blaming your daughter for being strangled by her father?

I think they were suggesting that she was lying, since someone who had been strangled would obviously respond more forcefully. Apparently including a tiny child being throttled by a grown man.

OP posts:
Chowtime · 04/10/2024 10:55

AgileGreenSeal · 04/10/2024 10:36

From experience

agree with SW about everything, smile & nod
jump through every hoop they put in front of you
try to extricate yourself from their attention
endure the abuse until your child grows up

There is no other way through this nightmare.
so sorry, OP. 😢

Great advice

It's not a "punishment" OP. Just go, you never know, they might teach you some tactics you hadn't thought of previously.

I bet your ex doesn't go to every session.

Mischance · 04/10/2024 10:55

Play the game - try not to see the parenting classes as a punishment - keep telling them how valuable they are - make intelligent and perceptive remarks during the session so it goes on record that you are cooperative and self-aware and a good parent. Don't go there feeling and showing angry - it will not help in the long run.

I know it is a PITA but you need to play the long game here. Your chidlren will benefit in the end.

ApricotLime · 04/10/2024 10:54

BigSmallFigBall · 04/10/2024 09:51

It has made been clear to me that recording anything is considered to be very wrong. I recorded my daughter telling me about the abuse and this was viewed as proof that I am a bad parent.

Edited

Sounds like they are worried they might have to actually protect her. Ditto punishing you for reporting abuse so you don't do it again.

ApricotLime · 04/10/2024 10:52

That's infuriating OP. All of it. I remember your previous post.

SunQueen24 · 04/10/2024 10:52

@Pollymollydolly you’re being patronising. OP is angry because she is powerless to protect her daughter from a perceived threat, which goes against every fibre of your being as an adult. Social services have inserted a barrier and shifted responsibility back to OP, not empowered her or supported her.

Your post is doing the exact same.

Neveragain8102 · 04/10/2024 10:51

SunQueen24 · 04/10/2024 10:43

Because they dont want to. It’s inconvenient for them if theres any truth to those accusations and they have bigger problems on their caseload. So people like OP are fobbed off so they can tick a box, justify their actions and crack on.

This was exactly what happened.

cost them far far less time and money.

they were forced to apologise and pay compensation, but the damage they’ve done is immeasurable.

Sceptical123 · 04/10/2024 10:50

BigSmallFigBall · 04/10/2024 09:47

My 7 year old daughter told me about abuse by her father - weird controlling stuff about toilet use and being strangled when he was angry.

I reported the abuse and there was no negative consequence for him. The idiot social worker suggested to my daughter's face that she was lying because my daughter didn't demonstrate that she protested forcefully enough when being strangled. I was told I need to support the father/daughter relationship more.

My punishment for reporting the abuse is that I have to attend 20 hours of parenting courses, starting today. I could have used this time to do things with/for my daughter.

AIBU to feel rage over this?

So the social worker was victim blaming your daughter for being strangled by her father?

Pollymollydolly · 04/10/2024 10:50

BigSmallFigBall · 04/10/2024 10:31

My daughter doesn't give me any trouble. She's really amazing.

My intention if asked for objectives is to say I want strategies to help a child who has been abused.

Parenting isn’t just about your child’s behaviour.

FWIW strategies for supporting an abused child are the same as strategies for supporting any child.

You are coming across as very angry which is completely understandable. If your daughter picks up on your resentment and anger there is a risk that she will choose not to tell you things in future - because she won’t want mum to be upset. Obviously I’m not suggesting you are speaking to her the way you’re speaking to other adults on here, but children are very perceptive and I’m sure she is already aware of a difficult relationship between you and her father.

I truly understand why you’re angry, I’m just suggesting that if you can try and change your mindset the course may be of some benefit - and even if it’s not, if you can choose to be less angry and resentful about doing it then it will be easier to get through!

Neveragain8102 · 04/10/2024 10:49

AgileGreenSeal · 04/10/2024 10:36

From experience

agree with SW about everything, smile & nod
jump through every hoop they put in front of you
try to extricate yourself from their attention
endure the abuse until your child grows up

There is no other way through this nightmare.
so sorry, OP. 😢

This.

unfortunately, this is the best advice.

SunQueen24 · 04/10/2024 10:49

Blusterydaytodaypoohbear · 04/10/2024 10:27

I reported exh for having a convicted sex offender upstairs playing Xbox with our dc. The woman at ss said it would have been nice for the dc to have had a catch up with the said offender.. Exh made dc lie to Cafcass and say it never happened... Guess who they believed?

My DH reported his exes new BF for using class A drugs and abusing alcohol in front of the kids. They asked my DH if his child was at risk right now, if so they instructed him to replace the receiver and dial 999. If no, he should hang up and call 999 if there was an immediate risk. DH asked how he could assess the risk without being there and wanted to discuss his concerns. They said drug users and alcoholics can be good parents. We just encourage them to get childcare before a binge…. I’m sure drug users and alcoholics can be good parents but I’m not sure there’s a dial-a-childcare service for when you want to get shitfaced.

femfemlicious · 04/10/2024 10:45

You have got to complain about this! Don't just accept it!

SunQueen24 · 04/10/2024 10:43

Neveragain8102 · 04/10/2024 10:15

This is the advice I wished id have had.

it’s all true.

SS are pretty useless when it comes to figuring out who’s the master manipulator.

Because they dont want to. It’s inconvenient for them if theres any truth to those accusations and they have bigger problems on their caseload. So people like OP are fobbed off so they can tick a box, justify their actions and crack on.

BigSmallFigBall · 04/10/2024 10:43

Blusterydaytodaypoohbear · 04/10/2024 10:27

I reported exh for having a convicted sex offender upstairs playing Xbox with our dc. The woman at ss said it would have been nice for the dc to have had a catch up with the said offender.. Exh made dc lie to Cafcass and say it never happened... Guess who they believed?

I'm so sorry

OP posts:
Bangwam1 · 04/10/2024 10:40

AgileGreenSeal · 04/10/2024 10:36

From experience

agree with SW about everything, smile & nod
jump through every hoop they put in front of you
try to extricate yourself from their attention
endure the abuse until your child grows up

There is no other way through this nightmare.
so sorry, OP. 😢

This is correct. Play the game, get away from them. Keep evidence for if you need it.

AgileGreenSeal · 04/10/2024 10:36

BigSmallFigBall · 04/10/2024 10:20

Thank you. This is my understanding. It's part of what is making me so angry. I don't want to go along with things and act like I think that I deserve this.

From experience

agree with SW about everything, smile & nod
jump through every hoop they put in front of you
try to extricate yourself from their attention
endure the abuse until your child grows up

There is no other way through this nightmare.
so sorry, OP. 😢

CurlewKate · 04/10/2024 10:35

Be very careful engaging here.....

BigSmallFigBall · 04/10/2024 10:35

mondaytosunday · 04/10/2024 10:33

Gosh a friend reported her ex after her DD said a couple things that could be taken either way. But she felt she had to report it as her DD (6 at the time) visited him on her own. Social services came down on him like a ton of bricks and he wasn't allowed to see his DD without supervision while they investigated. The DD couldn't say much more and was happy to see her father so it was eventually dropped, but it has permanently affected his relationship with his other (teenage) kids and huge animosity to his ex. Shocking that you have not been supported.

This is not my experience. SS has only come to MY home and has fully given my ex the benefit of the doubt.

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