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Just because I'm there doesn't mean I'm free childcare

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itsmeits · 04/10/2024 07:13

I go out once a week and take my DDs with me 7 and 13. It's a social evening thing, the girls love it, there are different activities on.
My sister has started coming fine no issue with that. Her mate is now coming with her DD 8
This is where the issue is. They swan off for 15-30 min cig breaks and leave the child unattended. Going for a cig is the announcement and off they pop.
Last night child of sisters friend was messing about and has hurt themselves, mum nowhere to be seen for over 20mins.
I am being blamed for not watching the child 😳
Apparently announcing I'm going for a cig is que for me to watch her child - never have either said can you watch DD while I nip out. Plus I don't know this child, met her a few times that's it.
When this happened I should have been sat with/watching her DD not participating in an activity my DDs wanted to do.

My sister is trying to rip me a new one and her friend has threatened to report me to SS for neglect, as it was my neglect (according to them) that has caused this hospital visit and her to be reported to SS.

Should I have watched this child
YANBU you have your DDs she needs to step up
YABU she's a single mum provide free cig breaks child care for her

OP posts:
NeedToChangeName · 04/10/2024 10:34

itsmeits · 04/10/2024 07:27

It's a local social club, not a restaurant.
Child was swinging round something fell and split head open, as the were swinging near steps. Have been told not yo by mother on previous evening.

Anyone can go. I don't go with them I go with my DDs. They go also only I have become default childcare

Sounds like you knew they were expecting you to supervise the child, so I'd say YABU to deny any responsibility

If you weren't willing to supervise, you should have said so

30percent · 04/10/2024 10:31

MintTraybake · 04/10/2024 10:25

I would stop going or change location, even temporarily. If you continue to go, they will continue to take advantage. So swap days and/or don't tell them or go somewhere else. People like this will never see they are wrong in expecting that of you.

I disagree. This is ops place she has been going to it a lot longer than them. Why should she give it up? If they want to keep taking advantage then let them continue to leave the child to injure herself it's not ops problem it's the childs mother's problem. If she wasn't such a shit mother the child being injured the first time would be enough for her to change her ways

MintTraybake · 04/10/2024 10:25

itsmeits · 04/10/2024 07:13

I go out once a week and take my DDs with me 7 and 13. It's a social evening thing, the girls love it, there are different activities on.
My sister has started coming fine no issue with that. Her mate is now coming with her DD 8
This is where the issue is. They swan off for 15-30 min cig breaks and leave the child unattended. Going for a cig is the announcement and off they pop.
Last night child of sisters friend was messing about and has hurt themselves, mum nowhere to be seen for over 20mins.
I am being blamed for not watching the child 😳
Apparently announcing I'm going for a cig is que for me to watch her child - never have either said can you watch DD while I nip out. Plus I don't know this child, met her a few times that's it.
When this happened I should have been sat with/watching her DD not participating in an activity my DDs wanted to do.

My sister is trying to rip me a new one and her friend has threatened to report me to SS for neglect, as it was my neglect (according to them) that has caused this hospital visit and her to be reported to SS.

Should I have watched this child
YANBU you have your DDs she needs to step up
YABU she's a single mum provide free cig breaks child care for her

I would stop going or change location, even temporarily. If you continue to go, they will continue to take advantage. So swap days and/or don't tell them or go somewhere else. People like this will never see they are wrong in expecting that of you.

Howmanycatsistoomany · 04/10/2024 10:24

Your sister and her friend can fuck off to the far side of fuck.

Onelifeonly · 04/10/2024 10:24

I'm sure blaming anyone and everything for their own failings is something social workers hear every day. Don't worry about ss. But set your own boundaries in future.

Eddielizzard · 04/10/2024 10:21

Wow. Unbelievable behaviour. What a CF!

MrsSunshine2b · 04/10/2024 10:21

Butnothingsclear · 04/10/2024 08:27

I agree. There was never a verbal request or agreement that OP would be responsible. So, the assumption is that the mother had deemed the situation safe enough and her DC sensible enough to step out for half an hour without saying anything. That is 100% her choice and her responsibility and nothing to do with the OP or any other adult.

If it was a much younger child then I’d see more grey area in this. But at 8 there are situations you might feel it’s safe enough to not be eyes on for short periods.

This. I would have been fine to leave my SD alone for a few minutes at that age in an environment like OP describes. I never would have left her for 20 minutes but I wouldn't have made her come with me if I'd popped to the loo or something. She was well-behaved enough that I could have trusted her. This child does not sound like the kind of child that can be left, but that's not OP's problem.

If someone left a 2 yo I'd be annoyed but obviously step in to supervise them, but not an 8yo.

FuckoffeeBeforeCoffee · 04/10/2024 10:19

Your message was so good I wish I'd been there when your sister read it.

30percent · 04/10/2024 10:17

What an absolute idiot I hate people like this. Social services won't care if she reports you it's her child and she's the one whos neglecting it.

Ohfuckwhatdoidonow · 04/10/2024 10:09

Lol, they're trying to rip you a new arsehole?
I wouldn't be having any of it. The pair of irresponsible fucks think announcing they're going for a fag break automatically makes you responsible? Absolutely fucking not.

They were the neglectful ones here, on two accounts.
Expecting the child to be reliant on someone they don't really know to keep them safe,
And fucking off without really arranging that someone was casting an eye on said child.

Do they always communicate so poorly?!:
In what world does fag break translate to please can you keep an eye on my child whilst I'm outside?

MrsSunshine2b · 04/10/2024 10:07

They sound completely ridiculous. Hopefully they will contact SS and SS will start monitoring her for not watching her own child!

Next time sis suggests coming with her friend, you will have to bluntly tell her that the friend needs to supervise her own child because you won't be doing so.

To be honest, I'd expect an 8 year old to manage on their own for 20 minutes anyway without hospitalising themselves.

museumum · 04/10/2024 10:02

Good response OP. Well done.
When my child was younger if i needed the loo while they were doing an activity i'd have said 'please could you watch my child' before going. At 8, with my well behaved child, i might say to another adult 'im just going the loo'. this clearly doesn't mean 'watch my child' it just means if there's a fire alarm or somebody starts shouting 'where's this child's mother' you can say 'at the loo'. Your sister and friend ae VERy wrong here.

itsmeits · 04/10/2024 09:58

Just to clarify I was with my youngest participating when they went for there smoke/gossip session. Child was left at the table, where they sit - scribbling all over my youngest DDs colouring book that she helped herself to 😤
I was kinda keeping an eye the child so did see her faffing and heard the screaming when she fell. I wasn't anywhere near when they went out or when accident happened.

Hospital have referred to SS as mum didn't know what happened child said she wasn't there

OP posts:
Chaiilatte · 04/10/2024 09:55

Wow, what a CF. the audacity of her threatening to report you to SS! Tell her to jog on.

DeliciousApples · 04/10/2024 09:54

Good reply.

If needs be I likes @MrsBennetsPoorNerves reply as a follow up if required.

It doesn't take 20 mins to smoke a fag. My boss used to take 10 mins start to finish including getting to the smoking shelter so we didn't have to hold the fort too long. That's consideration fir others.

Inclined to think your sister is too busy smoking fags and undertaking ineffective parenting in general and needs a good kick up the backside. I think SS have bigger fish to fry though so unlikely it will be them.

If she asked you and only gone for ten mins that'd have been fine. She expects and goes for 20 and leaves you with a friends child also - not fine. Cheeky.

Maybe you should show her this thread.

ApricotLime · 04/10/2024 09:48

itsmeits · 04/10/2024 07:58

I have just sent my sister the below

I have been attending this night for the last 2.5 years and 1.5 years with the girls. You and friend have been coming approximately 8 weeks. Every week you and friend have left 8Y unattended when you go for cigs. Not once was I asked to watch child just expected. I am sorry that child has been hurt, however I attend to participate with my children not look after others. If she wants a child free night out get a babysitter like the rest of us. Tell your friend i am happy to speak to SS on her behalf and explain the abysmal attitude I have seen her show over the last 8 weeks. I am also happy to explain to them what I do with my children while in attendance.
I'm not entertaining this any longer, I am not to blame for her failings. Have a good day I'm off to work now.

Good reply.

MarvellousMrsMouse01 · 04/10/2024 09:48

Perfect message OP! Waiting patiently now for an update on the reply... 😂🍿

Caroparo52 · 04/10/2024 09:47

Not your responsibility. Don't mix with the stupid cow again. She knows she was irresponsible and feels guilty.

mumsinnets · 04/10/2024 09:46

Babadookinthewardrobe · 04/10/2024 09:10

What a horrible attitude you have. You think you’re a cut above them clearly. I don’t think you are judging by this comment.

I just hate smoking, especially as 20 of them were all standing outside the shops.
It’s disgusting and extremely selfish.
I’m not judging Bingo, just thought it might be.

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 04/10/2024 09:42

You’re sister sounds a nasty price of work, I’d have went one step more and suggested they curb their addiction as they are clearly putting their addiction effort the safely of their children.

BeingATwatItsABingThing · 04/10/2024 09:41

itsmeits · 04/10/2024 07:58

I have just sent my sister the below

I have been attending this night for the last 2.5 years and 1.5 years with the girls. You and friend have been coming approximately 8 weeks. Every week you and friend have left 8Y unattended when you go for cigs. Not once was I asked to watch child just expected. I am sorry that child has been hurt, however I attend to participate with my children not look after others. If she wants a child free night out get a babysitter like the rest of us. Tell your friend i am happy to speak to SS on her behalf and explain the abysmal attitude I have seen her show over the last 8 weeks. I am also happy to explain to them what I do with my children while in attendance.
I'm not entertaining this any longer, I am not to blame for her failings. Have a good day I'm off to work now.

Well done for not letting them bully you with this.

AnonymousBleep · 04/10/2024 09:41

Demonhunter · 04/10/2024 09:39

If it is true that she has been reported to SS for an 8 yr olf child having an accident in a public place, it mustn't be the first time accidents are on record. My boys have had a few accidents being boisterous out and about, including broken bones due to football accidents. Not once have SS been threatened or been in touch about it.

Yeah that was my thought. My daughter broke her arm falling off her skateboard at roughly that age and there was no whiff of SS involvement. There must be more to this for it to be reported to SS (by whom?).

Anyway, no, obviously you're not responsible for someone else's kid unless they've explicitly asked you and you've agreed.

Wheresthebeach · 04/10/2024 09:41

No no no...tell them you will have nothing to do with looking after the child. Be very clear, you weren't in charge of them, and never will be. They are being awful.

Demonhunter · 04/10/2024 09:41

HighPrecisionGhosts · 04/10/2024 09:37

20mins for a fag. How big is this fag?

I think it was like this...

Just because I'm there doesn't mean I'm free childcare
Demonhunter · 04/10/2024 09:39

If it is true that she has been reported to SS for an 8 yr olf child having an accident in a public place, it mustn't be the first time accidents are on record. My boys have had a few accidents being boisterous out and about, including broken bones due to football accidents. Not once have SS been threatened or been in touch about it.