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How Can a Society Achieve Almost Full Employment in a capitalist System ?

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Yamantau · 04/10/2024 02:39

Hey everyone, after reading many threads i thought id consder my own thread.

I've been thinking a lot about the idea of full employment and how challenging it is in today’s profit-driven economy. With the rise of AI and automation, it seems like we’re at a crossroads where many traditional jobs are being replaced, leaving a significant portion of the workforce feeling surplus to requirements.

Because overall it seems people are only useful if a company can generate x profits but then there comes a point where its uneconomical to have the whole or majority of the workforce employed espcially when how are profits being generated when also people dont need x services etc there seems to be only so much profits to be made so they what exactly does one do with the overall population ?

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JacquesHarlow · 04/10/2024 02:54

This is a wonderful thought provoking post @Yamantau . It gives me faith that Mumsnet isn’t just a den of folk wanting to tear strips out of each other or bring up perceived slights about holidays or inheritances.

Back on topic -

I think this is a problem governments in the Global North are going to have to start tackling head on, instead of kicking the can down the road as is their usual way.

We can’t have full employment with the current or near-future economy. This is really going to start to bite with the people who went to university in the 2000s who believe they are entitled to a career that gives them the housing that is as good as, or better, than their parents who left school at 16 or 18 and bought houses at 2.5 x their salary, or could do it on one income in the household.

No generation ever wants to be worse off than those that came before. The way we tend to look past this problem in the UK is through rising house prices granting inheritances to middle class families. It makes them the “shareholding group”, a voter base which all parties pander to as a route to secure power, but end up shoring up their interests every time due to the above.

What we can have however is an honest look at what the UK actually needs from 2030 onwards. It isn’t inexorably rising house prices. It isn’t a lack of acknowledgement about falling incomes, rising costs of childcare, the elimination of entire white collar job sectors.

Universal basic income is coming, but the very idea of it will be torn apart ideologically by those who were keen to blame the furloughed for something they never asked for.

It will be a race to the bottom, and I’m going to wince when I see it.

Yelloworangetomato · 04/10/2024 02:51

They put us on UBI - and we lose the last remnants of political leverage we had.