Illuminati, real or not?

I read books by Robert Anton Wilson years and years ago that had a lot about the illuninati. They made a lot of sense then, and although my views on most things have changed over the years, they still make sense. I don't suppose we'll ever know for sure.

This is it, really. Why create some bullshit conspiracy theory when there is an obvious real conspiracy? A few very rich and powerful people (the 0.1%) own the media and fund politicians and lobby groups to control the world and ensure they stay rich and powerful. It’s not the illuminati, it’s capitalism.

EDIT: Which is to say they are not a secret club that meets up to plot global domination. It just happens organically because they all want the same things (low taxation for super rich individuals and big business, restriction of workers rights, free movement of capital but not workers, you know the sort of thing).

You seem to know an awful lot about "wonky brains" and their hibernation habits. 😂Are you a "wonky brain"? Or perhaps you are some kind of an "expert" on these "wonky brained" people? If so I would be fascinated to know the source of your expertise. Was your source, by any chance, a random man on the telly? 😂😂

Illuminati are just a placeholder for a behind the scenes power that off certain people need to believe in to make sense of the world. Substitute for the Masons, Jews, shapeshifting lizards, Rothschilds, Bilderberg group, Opus Dei, according to your preference. Likelihood is that some of these do exert influence but not one group controlling everything. My money’s on the lizards, using 5G signals and the covid vaccine to prevent us being able to see their true form.

Another interesting tidbit is that in Ireland, there were penal laws a few 100 years ago forbidding Catholics from many ownership and business rights. Strangley, some Catholic families flourished during this oppression. Its since come to light that these Catholic families were freemasons so the rules didn't apply to them. All conducted in secret.

I knew it!

You’re responsible for global warming, the rise of private parking companies and the end of Toffos aren’t you?

Shadowy, malign forces are indeed at work.

From what I gather, there are 33 degrees in Freemasonry. The first few degrees are more about comradery, brotherhood, connections etc. Nicey, nicey. It's when you get higher and move up degrees, that it gets Satanic (so I heard). I think there is alot of blackmailing involved, and perverse sexual activities (again, so I heard).

I do think it's interesting that the only religion not compatible with Freemasonry is Catholicism. The Pope has spoken out against Catholics being members.

I know many here are not Catholics but I thought it was interesting all the same that the organisation and Catholicism just don't mix.

In Hollywood producer Robert Evans' brilliant 1994 memoir The Kid Stays in the Picture, he talks about this strange, unknowable cabal of global industry titans who used to use his home (as it was lovely) to have annual meetings on basically how to divide and run the world.

I think it's been going on for decades now...

Honestly nothing would surprise me these days so quite possibly

Well any group who profits from selling weapons are going to do well, surely?

Sorry but this is nonsense. Though the contents of the meetings are closely guarded, the existence of the group has been widely known since at least the 60s. Edward Heath attended when he was PM, back in the 70s, and it was reported on at the time.

Sounds legit.

You need to watch 'Eyes Wide Shut' Stanley Kubrick. A good film and pretty plausible and Tom Cruise is great!

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GIven, this is an anonymous forum I can confirm that it is real, I am a member, you get a monthly magazine and invites to secret meet ups, it's a bit like the NCT but for really rich people. We have heavy links with the Chinese these days. In fact most meeting places are camouflaged as those Chinese herb shops which is why you never see anyone inside.......

What they are hinting at so eloquently is that some people believe that the Jewish people are controlling the world and have tied this to the notion of the Illuminati. The idea of the Illuminati itself is not anti-Semitic as such, just some people’s renditions of it are.

😂😂 brilliant thread. Quick, somebody call Dan Brown!

Not saying I believe anything, but I do believe if someone would have asked me a few weeks ago if I thought

a) much of the music industry and Hollywood a-listers would be tried for child-rape trafficking and murder

or

b) there is a powerful rich elite we don’t understand controlling more than we know

I know which I would choose (btw for the MNetters that aren’t so much with the compression…b I would have chosen b…)

There's no need for incredibly rich and powerful people to secretly be controlling the world - they are pretty blatantly doing it and there's not an awful lot anyone can do about it! It's called capitalism.

I thought the new world order ran the place nowadays?

But we are such small insignificant people we don't get our tiny minds involved in such high level stuff.

I thought it was some sort of Italian light fitting, probably used LEDs or something.

I knew a Freemason once, well his wife. They were very nice, very wealthy. I remember I was having difficulty with a colleague at work once (I was young and being bullied) I taught the Freemasons child. The wife was a sort of friend and knew through gossip about this bully and came to see if I was ok, she said if I ever needed anything sorting out in regard to this member of staff, her husband could help out as he had many connections…later a friend told me he was in the Freemasons and a great man but very powerful 🤷🏻‍♀️I was only 24 and had no idea what they were going on about!
What did Tolstoy said about them?

I think they're all bonkers tbh, but at least that one is entertaining!