To detest people that think they own beautiful parts of the world?

I am not the one who is dividing the world by whether an enterprise is economically viable. it is our capitalist society that we are all a part of. Love it or loathe it, this is reality.

A farmer or a fisherman is a business person. are you suggesting otherwise? Do you think they are a charity or social enterprise?

I think you are showing your true colours now.

The alternative viewpoint...

Leaving aside the second homes (which are a much bigger problem).

I am from a 'desirable' area (cold wet and midgy but it does have pretty mountains). My family is from here, and my ancestors fought for their right to stay (Highland Clearances). Historically this has been a very difficult place to live. Now technology makes it easier, everyone wants to live here. Funnily it's mostly people who have had lucrative careers elsewhere in the country who then want to buy houses with their capital acquired elsewhere and outbid local people who have generally poorly paid jobs because that's what the majority of jobs are here. Some inward movement is very welcome, but the scale of it is untenable. If this is allowed to go on unabated there will be no locals left. Whole swathes of the people I went to school with are unable to live here in the place they grew up.

My village and nearby villages are full of my parents, aunties, uncles, cousins, and my husband's too. I don't give a shiny shit about the pretty mountains - this is my home, the place I am from. Should I be forced to move away to allow you your equal 'right' to live here? The place where I know every rock and stream, where I know the vast majority of the people who live here, our shared history, our language, our entire lives? Because you think the mountains are pretty?

I agree with you 100%

And i also will never forget the attitudes of some people who lived in attractive places during Covid.

You can be pro farming at an industry level whilst recognising that not every individual farm is viable even with substantial subsidy. It is the nature of the beast although you seem incapable of recognising nuance so I don't know why I'm wasting my time debating this with you. You can carry on believing that farming should be just about the only industry that isn't subject to local economic factors if you want but ultimately this does nobody any good, least of all the farmers.

Farming causes substantial damage to biodiversity and nature and there are very real ethical concerns about things like animal welfare. You are promoting it as a wholly good which is disingenuous in itself so forgive me if I won't take your self serving lecture on board.

I run a business. Farming is a business. Yes, I do understand about viability and how this can be impacted by location. Some businesses are not viable in some locations. It's as simple as that! Sometimes the nature of the location changes and this changes the viability of the business.

Anyone with a jot of business acumen understands this and you really don't want a load of unsustainable lame duck businesses. The hill farmer may well have to relocate as many businesses do every single day.

You can be pro farming at an industry level whilst recognising that not every individual farm is viable even with substantial subsidy. It is the nature of the beast although you seem incapable of recognising nuance so I don't know why I'm wasting my time debating this with you. You can carry on believing that farming should be just about the only industry that isn't subject to local economic factors if you want but ultimately this does nobody any good, least of all the farmers.

Farming causes substantial damage to biodiversity and nature and there are very real ethical concerns about things like animal welfare. You are promoting it as a wholly good which is disingenuous in itself so forgive me if I won't take your self serving lecture on board.

I run a business. Farming is a business. Yes, I do understand about viability and how this can be impacted by location. Some businesses are not viable in some locations. It's as simple as that! Sometimes the nature of the location changes and this changes the viability of the business.

Anyone with a jot of business acumen understands this and you really don't want a load of unsustainable lame duck businesses. The hill farmer may well have to relocate as many businesses do every single day.

I run a business. Farming is a business. Yes, I do understand about viability and how this can be impacted by location. Some businesses are not viable in some locations. It's as simple as that! Sometimes the nature of the location changes and this changes the viability of the business.

Anyone with a jot of business acumen understands this and you really don't want a load of unsustainable lame duck businesses. The hill farmer may well have to relocate as many businesses do every single day.

I run a business. Farming is a business. Yes, I do understand about viability and how this can be impacted by location. Some businesses are not viable in some locations. It's as simple as that! Sometimes the nature of the location changes and this changes the viability of the business.

Anyone with a jot of business acumen understands this and you really don't want a load of unsustainable lame duck businesses. The hill farmer may well have to relocate as many businesses do every single day.

So if the son of a 'born and bred type' from Cornwall or similar gets amazing qualifications and decides to move to Spitalfields to take up his £200k banking job in the City, should the Spitalfields yokel locals moan that he is pushing up prices in Spitalfields, while their kids are having to move out into Essex? As if! Things work both ways, otherwise everyone is stuck.

London has the same problem!
Full of tourists, most people who live here now aren't London born and bred, they come in from other places in the UK or abroad for the prospects.
A lot of them bugger off when they have kids of course because housing is too expensive. But those born and bred here, their children can't afford to buy here and have to move away unless bank of M&D can help them out.

Sorry but I don't see why I should be stuck in a sink town because you know every beautiful rock and stream in your area. You are welcome to move your friends and family to the town I was born. I suspect you would have no problem affording the housing. Why isn't this an attractive prospect to you?

Btw I had to leave my family and friends to forge a better life for myself. Of course I would have loved to stay close to them but I knew that my local area couldn't give me what I needed if I wanted to reach my potential. Now the part of town that I used to live in has gentrified slightly and many of my friends can't afford to live there anymore. People moving due to economic factors isn't unique to beautiful places. It's just a fact of life for many people.

@twistyizzy - farming communities will have to adapt regardless as people increasingly move away from meat, as they already are.

It is simply not economically possible for people to be traditional fishermen or farmers in expensive areas. The fishermen and farmers that once populated London learnt this early on as have many other generations of people in other towns and cities in this country and around the world. If you have a desperate desire to farm or fish then you have to go where these things are viable otherwise you will forever be impoverished and relying on state handouts to make your livelihood pay. It is the ultimate on entitlement to believe that anyone should be able to make a living in anyway that they see fit in any places they want to.

It absolutely is a privilege to live where lots of other people would love to live. Not only do you benefit from living in such a lovely place but you are at liberty to move to a cheaper and less desirable area and if you happen to own a house already you will be quids in.