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To detest people that think they own beautiful parts of the world?

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Bumpitybumper · 03/10/2024 14:19

I grew up in a very ugly and undesirable part of the country and now live in a tourist hotspot. I am becoming increasingly frustrated by people that are born and raised here trying to restrict tourism or stop 'outsiders' moving here. The houses are expensive here because it's such a lovely place to live but there isn't much employment except for from tourism. Despite this many locals that I know feel that tourism should be restricted as it makes the town extremely busy in high season. They also think housing should be subsidised for locals.

I feel that there are only so many beautiful places and those lucky enough to be born in them are no more entitled to live and enjoy them than the rest of us who by luck were born elsewhere. This would effectively condemn future people like me to live and visit only the less desirable of areas whilst my children could stay in this lovely area and be subsidised for doing so. It just feels incredibly unfair!

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Allfur · 07/10/2024 16:33

TWETMIRF · 07/10/2024 16:28

Some people think emmet is offensive and some don't. It's a Cornish word for anyone who isn't from Cornwall and is used interchangeably with foreigner. Someone from Devon could be called emmet or foreigner and whether it's derogatory depends on the feelings of who said it. Some people use it in a derogatory way and others will be neutral. It's a term that has been around for many years and isn't going away.

Maybe it should go the same way as plenty of other terms that were once acceptable in our society and are no longer

Allfur · 07/10/2024 16:32

Dotto · 07/10/2024 16:26

Emmet is used lightheartedly, only mildly derogatively, like grockle elsewhere in the UK. It's meant as a joke. We don't go after incomers with pitchforks, even after they buy up a lot of housing stock. Anyone offended doesn't understand Cornish humour.

Ah bants n lols eh? never hurt anyone - i'm not sure the user of the term is in a position to say whether its offensive

TWETMIRF · 07/10/2024 16:28

Some people think emmet is offensive and some don't. It's a Cornish word for anyone who isn't from Cornwall and is used interchangeably with foreigner. Someone from Devon could be called emmet or foreigner and whether it's derogatory depends on the feelings of who said it. Some people use it in a derogatory way and others will be neutral. It's a term that has been around for many years and isn't going away.

Dotto · 07/10/2024 16:26

Emmet is used lightheartedly, only mildly derogatively, like grockle elsewhere in the UK. It's meant as a joke. We don't go after incomers with pitchforks, even after they buy up a lot of housing stock. Anyone offended doesn't understand Cornish humour.

comingintomyown · 07/10/2024 16:21

I can understand why people who have lived in a lovely place become territorial and feel their right to remain there trumps people moving in and inflating costs but unfortunately its a fact of capitalist life and our society. At some point a local person sold to a non local person no doubt at a good profit and that's that.

The modern world with all the knowledge passed around , images, reviews etc etc has its good points and for people in chocolate box villages its bad points.

Allfur · 07/10/2024 16:10

ApricotLime · 07/10/2024 16:08

How on earth did you manage to interpret Yoga's post like that? Not what she said at all.

And i notice twetmerf hasnt mentioned the offensive term of emmet

ApricotLime · 07/10/2024 16:08

TWETMIRF · 06/10/2024 18:12

I'm so pleased that our culture and dialect are offensive to you. Maybe we should ban anything from our heritage and make everything like England. We'd have to rename anything in Kernewek and translate it into English. Lots of St Piran flags to remove and the 5th March will have to become an ordinary day.

We've already got for some insane reason got Greggs popping up, next start putting the cream on first? We're proud of our Celtic roots down here, the English tried to eradicate our way of life previously and we shouldn't still be fighting.

How on earth did you manage to interpret Yoga's post like that? Not what she said at all.

Somanypiessolittletime · 07/10/2024 16:04

Well no, not really like the Welsh Irish and Scots at all. Since they're different nations.
If Cornwall gets independence THEN you'll be like them. But until then you're English. Sorry.

Allfur · 07/10/2024 15:31

TWETMIRF · 06/10/2024 18:12

I'm so pleased that our culture and dialect are offensive to you. Maybe we should ban anything from our heritage and make everything like England. We'd have to rename anything in Kernewek and translate it into English. Lots of St Piran flags to remove and the 5th March will have to become an ordinary day.

We've already got for some insane reason got Greggs popping up, next start putting the cream on first? We're proud of our Celtic roots down here, the English tried to eradicate our way of life previously and we shouldn't still be fighting.

You are the english

Allfur · 07/10/2024 15:29

Somanypiessolittletime · 05/10/2024 18:37

I'd rather stay in a cottage than a hotel because I like the extra space and having a kitchen. I have young kids. Id be just as happy in an apart-hotel.or a lodge though. A hotel room is no place for a family. No privacy, no facilities.

Hotel rooms are fun for families, we love em

Goldenbear · 07/10/2024 14:54

sharpclawedkitten · 03/10/2024 16:01

I don't think that's true.

Where I live there's no doubt that prices are driven up by people selling rabbit hutches in London at silly prices and then buying a nice 4 bed family home here.

It's not young professionals driving up the prices in London, it's the fact that so much housing stock is bought by overseas investors and lies empty. I think as many as 1/4 of homes in London are empty? It's an incredible statistic anyway.

But most people moving to Cornwall and the Lakes aren't from London anyway, they are from all over the UK (and overseas).

Yes, I agree.

I was born and grew up in West London and South London and I couldn't afford to live there after graduating despite having a job in London. My DH was born on Camden and grew up in North London and Oxford. He likes watching these expensive property sales programmes and I find it shocking that properties in Westminster for example are only owned by foreign investors that don't live in them. In the 00s with better jobs we could eventually afford to rent in Westminster but there is no way that could happen now and we are considerably wealthier than those times. Where we live now is similarly going the way of London and it is frankly shocking that these seafront properties are just bought up by foreign investors and left empty or air fucking BNBs when there is such a problem with lack of affordable homes in our current city by the sea. There are 90,000 air BNBs in London, why don't we go the way of Amsterdam, what's the issue when there is so much poverty caused by affordable housing.

MarkWithaC · 07/10/2024 14:24

Yelloworangetomato · 04/10/2024 20:30

Where else do you get them

My part of Zone 2 London. Shopkeepers all look out for each other and for customers. If I have a cash card issue or forget my wallet, at least a couple of local food shops just wave me off and say I can pay next time. I have several neighbours who hold a spare set of my keys and vice versa. There's a well-functioning FB group for recommendations/help/lost pets etc. Tons of community events, generally volunteer-led or -run. There was lots of mutual support in the pandemic; people getting shopping for those who were shielding etc.

MarkWithaC · 07/10/2024 14:09

sharpclawedkitten · 05/10/2024 15:37

I agree and it's not difficult to have local rules that stop a house being used for holiday lets, although it's not so easy to enforce.

As for the people who say "well people don't want to stay in hotels". This is mainly because of dog ownership.

I don't think the fact that people (who own or rent a house elsewhere, but have somewhere to live, anyway) want to go on holiday with their dogs and therefore stay in a house outweighs someone else's right to a home.

As for the people who say "well people don't want to stay in hotels". This is mainly because of dog ownership.
I don't have a dog and I prefer self-catering to hotels or B&Bs. I hate being restricted to one room and not being able to just knock up a bit of toast if I fancy it. And I've had my fill of B&B hosts, who if you're lucky are just eccentric but more often seem to have a bit of a dictator complex.

Somanypiessolittletime · 06/10/2024 18:42

TWETMIRF · 06/10/2024 18:12

I'm so pleased that our culture and dialect are offensive to you. Maybe we should ban anything from our heritage and make everything like England. We'd have to rename anything in Kernewek and translate it into English. Lots of St Piran flags to remove and the 5th March will have to become an ordinary day.

We've already got for some insane reason got Greggs popping up, next start putting the cream on first? We're proud of our Celtic roots down here, the English tried to eradicate our way of life previously and we shouldn't still be fighting.

I hate to break it to you but the Cornish are part of "the English". In fact you're probably "Englisher" than London considering all the immigration we have here.

TWETMIRF · 06/10/2024 18:12

YogaBearBasket · 04/10/2024 17:57

Agreed. I won’t visit Cornwall again after their attitude then. Which I think will please them. Don’t they call visitors Emmets?

I'm so pleased that our culture and dialect are offensive to you. Maybe we should ban anything from our heritage and make everything like England. We'd have to rename anything in Kernewek and translate it into English. Lots of St Piran flags to remove and the 5th March will have to become an ordinary day.

We've already got for some insane reason got Greggs popping up, next start putting the cream on first? We're proud of our Celtic roots down here, the English tried to eradicate our way of life previously and we shouldn't still be fighting.

Cosyblankets · 06/10/2024 08:31

Is this not reflective of the world we live in these days though? How many youngsters who have just passed their test in the last couple of years are driving round in new cars? Mine was a 13 year old banger. Finance schemes these days are much more common than they used to be. How many change the phones and gadgets in our continually changing world? Everything is instant these days. People who save up for something are in the minority. Many just get what they want when they want due to the availability of credit. There are about 4 families in my road with adult kids living at home. It would be a safe bet that they'd say they can't afford to move out. They all have cars less than 2 years old. Nearly all of them newer than their parents' cars.
So having to move to an area you can afford and work your way up to the nicer areas which is what used to happen when they can have pretty much everything else is going to seem so much harder.

GreenTeaLikesMe · 06/10/2024 01:00

Where I live it is illegal to offer accommodation without possessing a hostel license, which is a really big process involving regular inspections, proper wiring and facilities, earthquake proofing and evacuation signage and much, much more etc. so AirBnB ends up being just the odd place, not hollowing out neighborhoods. It is however much much easier to build hotels and new houses than in the UK. Making it easier to build in attractive places and improving public transport plus restricting visitor cars would help in such locations.

FrippEnos · 05/10/2024 18:57

YogaBearBasket · 04/10/2024 21:01

Or the reality that your greedy local neighbours caused?

Why do you think that it was the "greedy local neighbours"?
Where I lived it was the fuckwit developer who got the contract by saying that they would be providing low cost housing for the local workforce and then sold them to the Londoners that wanted to retire.

Somanypiessolittletime · 05/10/2024 18:37

I'd rather stay in a cottage than a hotel because I like the extra space and having a kitchen. I have young kids. Id be just as happy in an apart-hotel.or a lodge though. A hotel room is no place for a family. No privacy, no facilities.

schloss · 05/10/2024 17:04

sharpclawedkitten · 05/10/2024 15:37

I agree and it's not difficult to have local rules that stop a house being used for holiday lets, although it's not so easy to enforce.

As for the people who say "well people don't want to stay in hotels". This is mainly because of dog ownership.

I don't think the fact that people (who own or rent a house elsewhere, but have somewhere to live, anyway) want to go on holiday with their dogs and therefore stay in a house outweighs someone else's right to a home.

The regulations you talk about are already in place in some areas and are enforced.

It is not just dog owners who prefer cottages and it is not dog owners who stop people being able to buy houses!

sharpclawedkitten · 05/10/2024 15:37

GlasgowGal82 · 05/10/2024 13:31

I think there is a difference between someone who wants to move to a beautiful part of the country to live and work, compared to someone who wants to buy a house as a second home or to rent out to holiday makers. Where there is a shortage of housing I think that people who work/live there should be prioritised for housing. That doesn't necessarily mean that they have to have been born there.

I agree and it's not difficult to have local rules that stop a house being used for holiday lets, although it's not so easy to enforce.

As for the people who say "well people don't want to stay in hotels". This is mainly because of dog ownership.

I don't think the fact that people (who own or rent a house elsewhere, but have somewhere to live, anyway) want to go on holiday with their dogs and therefore stay in a house outweighs someone else's right to a home.

ViciousCurrentBun · 05/10/2024 14:51

@YogaBearBasket low income for a lot of people all farming and tourism which is low paid seasonal work. Prices have been pushed up. Many were cash buyers. At one point my newly divorced friend was trying to buy a house, the EA said about 80% of buyers were from London. Also buying to AirBnB smaller houses and cottages.

Autumnalfun · 05/10/2024 13:32

GlasgowGal82 · 05/10/2024 13:31

I think there is a difference between someone who wants to move to a beautiful part of the country to live and work, compared to someone who wants to buy a house as a second home or to rent out to holiday makers. Where there is a shortage of housing I think that people who work/live there should be prioritised for housing. That doesn't necessarily mean that they have to have been born there.

How do you prioritise for housing exactly? Are you suggesting locals need to sell their homes cheaply?

GlasgowGal82 · 05/10/2024 13:31

I think there is a difference between someone who wants to move to a beautiful part of the country to live and work, compared to someone who wants to buy a house as a second home or to rent out to holiday makers. Where there is a shortage of housing I think that people who work/live there should be prioritised for housing. That doesn't necessarily mean that they have to have been born there.