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To detest people that think they own beautiful parts of the world?

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Bumpitybumper · 03/10/2024 14:19

I grew up in a very ugly and undesirable part of the country and now live in a tourist hotspot. I am becoming increasingly frustrated by people that are born and raised here trying to restrict tourism or stop 'outsiders' moving here. The houses are expensive here because it's such a lovely place to live but there isn't much employment except for from tourism. Despite this many locals that I know feel that tourism should be restricted as it makes the town extremely busy in high season. They also think housing should be subsidised for locals.

I feel that there are only so many beautiful places and those lucky enough to be born in them are no more entitled to live and enjoy them than the rest of us who by luck were born elsewhere. This would effectively condemn future people like me to live and visit only the less desirable of areas whilst my children could stay in this lovely area and be subsidised for doing so. It just feels incredibly unfair!

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Borninabarn32 · 03/10/2024 16:35

I agree. I don't beleive you should be entitled to a privilege just becuase of the circumstances of your birth. Being born in a nice area shouldn't make you more entitled to live there. Being born into a family that have connections to a university shouldn't give you a right to attend that university. But I'm also pro immigration and such, I believe people are people and shouldn't be segregated by things they have no control in.

LastNight1Dreamt1WentToManderleyAgain · 03/10/2024 16:34

Cosyblankets · 03/10/2024 16:32

Do you never stay in a cottage or anything?

That's right, I don't. Had a lovely time in a B&B last month.

Crystalbits · 03/10/2024 16:34

twistyizzy · 03/10/2024 14:49

Part of the issue is people who weren't born in an area and live 90% of their time in big cities buy up all the local property which then lies empty except for 5 weeks of the year. This drives up prices for true locals and means they can't afford to live in the villages they were born in.
Or people who visit and have zero respect for the place they are visiting, or think the countryside is a playground rather than a work place.

Absolutely. I think it’s more about wealthy folk descending on desirable places en masse because they had the good fortune to be able to sell a home in London or the south east and use the collateral to buy a converted barn in the Dales or a pied a terre in York…

ObelixtheGaul · 03/10/2024 16:34

Who is doing those tourism jobs, though? Nobody is going to commute for an hour to earn tourism wages. If nobody can afford to live in an area, who is working in the restaurants and shops the tourists need?

You want space, but you are also going to want somewhere to buy your milk, someone to serve you a drink in the pub, wait on your table in a restaurant. Where do you imagine these people come from? Where are they living? What are they doing in the winter when you and others like you aren't there? Where are their jobs then, when there's nobody to serve because all the houses are empty?

TheBluntTurtle · 03/10/2024 16:33

I live in a tourist town. There’s a balance to be had- yes tourism has to be promoted and welcomed to an extent as it brings in money and jobs. But that can’t come at the cost of the place losing its initial charm, losing services for locals or resulting in housing shortages.
for example- unregulated holiday lets (air bnb) are resulting in housing shortages and issues for residents as they exploit planning loopholes. This loophole needs to be closed - fine if folk want to run a holiday let but they need to apply for permission and do it properly.
likewise tourist town centres need to have shops that locals need- hardware shops, clothing shops, pharmacies etc and not just have become tourist tat shops and bars- York city centre is a prime example of this - half the shambles are Harry Potter shops - despite no link Harry Potter (yet the tourists come and buy their wands!).

Justice4Friend · 03/10/2024 16:33

What do these people want to do for a living then once the tourist money goes?
Subsidised housing and benefits to live off so they can enjoy the views?!

BunnyLake · 03/10/2024 16:32

Bumpitybumper · 03/10/2024 16:29

I have moved there but some locals definitely have an attitude that housing should be ear marked for local people and not rich outsiders.

Also concept like subsidised or reserved housing for local people is often floated which I am absolutely opposed to. Affordable housing for essential jobs is one thing but I don't think local people should be automatically prioritised. That goes against all social mobility models and engrains inequality.

I don’t know where you live but I've never heard anyone complaining about it here. Although to be fair there are so few locals it sounds really odd if you hear a local accent 😯

SleepyTerrier · 03/10/2024 16:32

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Cosyblankets · 03/10/2024 16:32

LastNight1Dreamt1WentToManderleyAgain · 03/10/2024 16:30

Second homes and Airbnbs are ruinous. They make it not only expensive but disconnected and unsafe to live in a place.

Do you never stay in a cottage or anything?

Bumpitybumper · 03/10/2024 16:31

MarkWithaC · 03/10/2024 16:28

But who does it apply to and who does it not? As zileri says in their excellent post, what about if someone born and raised in a scenic place moves to Spitalfields, earns lots and pushes up prices there so East Enders have to move away?

Also who is an outsider. I was born and raised elsewhere but my kids have lived here all their lives. Do they now have the same claim as someone that has generations of family here? What about if someone moves away for a time and wants to come back? I have seen concepts of culture, language, networks mentioned on this thread. Very complex and potentially offensive ideas when you think about immigration and race.

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ShillyShallySherbet · 03/10/2024 16:31

Absolutely nothing wrong with people moving to wherever they want, it’s the second home owners who are the problem. I think maybe sometimes people confuse the two. Having perfectly decent family homes empty for large parts of the year when local people can’t find anywhere to live is a real problem where I live. I don’t sense any hostility towards the tourists but definitely to the second home owners. Difficult thing is without the second homes, where would the tourists stay? It’s a vicious cycle really.

LastNight1Dreamt1WentToManderleyAgain · 03/10/2024 16:30

Second homes and Airbnbs are ruinous. They make it not only expensive but disconnected and unsafe to live in a place.

Bumpitybumper · 03/10/2024 16:29

BunnyLake · 03/10/2024 16:26

Well no one is stopping you from moving to that area are they?

I moved to a ‘nice’ touristy part of the country. No one stopped me, no one’s complained. Second homes though are a bugbear as they take permanent homes off the market.

It does get very busy in the summer but I realise that the nature of where I live and I’m used to it now.

I have moved there but some locals definitely have an attitude that housing should be ear marked for local people and not rich outsiders.

Also concept like subsidised or reserved housing for local people is often floated which I am absolutely opposed to. Affordable housing for essential jobs is one thing but I don't think local people should be automatically prioritised. That goes against all social mobility models and engrains inequality.

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BunnyLake · 03/10/2024 16:29

Bumpitybumper · 03/10/2024 16:27

Ten years.

I did mention both tourists and people moving to the area from outside as I think that both these groups are often criticised by local people. There is an overarching attitude that the beautiful place belongs to local people and they have an entitlement to it that other people don't have.

Well if you already live there what’s the problem?

MarkWithaC · 03/10/2024 16:28

KimberleyClark · 03/10/2024 15:54

Sorry bit I do think people who were born and grew up in a scenic area have more of a right to live and make their living there than outsiders.

But who does it apply to and who does it not? As zileri says in their excellent post, what about if someone born and raised in a scenic place moves to Spitalfields, earns lots and pushes up prices there so East Enders have to move away?

Bumpitybumper · 03/10/2024 16:27

RafaistheKingofClay · 03/10/2024 16:01

We do seem to be conflating two different issues here which isn’t helping. The OP mention tourists but we now seem to be including people who’ve moved here to live. Which may cause issues but those issues are insignificant in relation to housing being used as tourist accommodation or being left empty for most of the year.

Just out of interest, OP, how long have you lived in the tourist area you are in now?

Ten years.

I did mention both tourists and people moving to the area from outside as I think that both these groups are often criticised by local people. There is an overarching attitude that the beautiful place belongs to local people and they have an entitlement to it that other people don't have.

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RafaistheKingofClay · 03/10/2024 16:27

GreenTeaLikesMe · 03/10/2024 16:11

I think the problem with “Families should stand on principles and sell at a ‘fair price’ to a local instead” is: Suppose I do this, and sell to Jane, a local at a fair price. There is nothing to stop Jane then turning around and deciding to sell it to a Down From Londoner for a vastly inflated price six months later. So the house still ends up being a holiday home, and the only thing my principles have done is made me look and feel like a right mug.

Also if you’ve sold to Jane at less than the market rate you are reliant on somebody doing the same to you if you are moving within area. Most people aren’t going to have the luxury of being able to do that if they need to upsize.

BunnyLake · 03/10/2024 16:26

Bumpitybumper · 03/10/2024 14:36

But what about people that are born and raised in areas that are less desirable and want to move to these desirable areas? Assuming that there is a very limited housing supply (which there usually is in these kinds of places) then why should locals get preference just because they were lucky enough to have been born there? I just think this is the ultimate in entitlement and entrenching generational privilege.

We all have our reasons for wanting to live somewhere and I don't think it's fair that locals are assumed to have more valid reasons. I also think holiday homes are fine if in use for large chunks of time. Without them then the tourist trade would really suffer as lots of people simply don't want hotels anymore

Well no one is stopping you from moving to that area are they?

I moved to a ‘nice’ touristy part of the country. No one stopped me, no one’s complained. Second homes though are a bugbear as they take permanent homes off the market.

It does get very busy in the summer but I realise that the nature of where I live and I’m used to it now.

StepAwayFromGoogling · 03/10/2024 16:26

Agree with you, OP, 100%.

ShillyShallySherbet · 03/10/2024 16:25

The houses are expensive here because it's such a lovely place to live but there isn't much employment except for from tourism

This is where the real problem lies but YANBU

SleepyTerrier · 03/10/2024 16:24

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Kendodd · 03/10/2024 16:23

Are you applying this free for all globally OP, or just UK nationals? So, born in some shithole somewhere in the world, just move to Cornwall.

ANiceCuppaTeaandBiscuit · 03/10/2024 16:22

I can see it both ways really. We were in Cornwall in the summer and it was quite clear that the centre of the village was mostly holiday homes and let’s. This must be a bit depressing for locals when it’s out of season and there’s no real community feel. At the same time I think you should be allowed buy and live where you can afford to. We live in a rather expensive area, we certainly couldn’t have afforded to in the decade or so after university and I wouldn’t expect my children to think that just because they were raised here they are automatically entitled to be able to afford to live similarly. That’s something they can work towards.

Bumpitybumper · 03/10/2024 16:21

NotTerfNorCis · 03/10/2024 16:13

So what you're saying is, people should be forced out of areas where they grew up and have friends and family because they aren't wealthy?

Plus, pretty areas have their down sides, such as lack of public transport or amenities. You should be careful what you wish for.

I find your language interesting. Should I be forced to live in less desirable areas because all the housing in desirable housing is earmarked for locals so they can be near their family and friends? Can you not see how this entrenches generational privilege and also inequality? If I can't live in a lovely place then neither can my kids or their kids etc. Meanwhile someone that happens to live in a lovely area can rest easy knowing that their descendants can all enjoy the area for generations to come.

All areas have their down sides. I would still choose to live where I currently live than where I was born. So would the vast majority of people.

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Inslopia · 03/10/2024 16:21

And it’s fine if you do want the highest offer for your property but at least acknowledge you then become part of the problem re locals getting priced out & it isn’t just the newcomers changing the area.

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