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To detest people that think they own beautiful parts of the world?

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Bumpitybumper · 03/10/2024 14:19

I grew up in a very ugly and undesirable part of the country and now live in a tourist hotspot. I am becoming increasingly frustrated by people that are born and raised here trying to restrict tourism or stop 'outsiders' moving here. The houses are expensive here because it's such a lovely place to live but there isn't much employment except for from tourism. Despite this many locals that I know feel that tourism should be restricted as it makes the town extremely busy in high season. They also think housing should be subsidised for locals.

I feel that there are only so many beautiful places and those lucky enough to be born in them are no more entitled to live and enjoy them than the rest of us who by luck were born elsewhere. This would effectively condemn future people like me to live and visit only the less desirable of areas whilst my children could stay in this lovely area and be subsidised for doing so. It just feels incredibly unfair!

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eatreadsleeprepeat · 03/10/2024 18:41

There are a lot of lovely places which are not tourist hotspots. Many with housing available both to locals and incomers.
I think we need to sort out the housing situation in this country in much broader terms than tourist areas.

MarkWithaC · 03/10/2024 18:41

KnottedTwine · 03/10/2024 18:32

The problem is rapidly becoming volume.

Skye is a perfect example. The population of Skye is just over 10,000. The island gets 1 million visitors a year, mostly between April and September. This leads to absolute bedlam as the infrastructure just can't cope with thousands of cars on wee single track roads, driven often by people who have no clue about driving on the left, and even less of a clue about how to use passing places.

Nobody wants people not to visit Skye, ever. But too many tourists is a HUGE problem. The tourist tax will help a bit but will only cover people staying overnight on the island. Personally I'd prefer to see a £50 tax on each non-resident vehicle crossing the bridge.

Over-tourism is ruining the beauty spots everyone wants to see. That and Instagram - every sodding tourist wants to do the same as eleven billion other tourists in Scotland which is Edinburgh - Glencoe - Skye - Inverness - Edinburgh and nowhere else gets a look in. They are a bit like sheep.

It's funny how this thread complains about locals being seen as charming yokels or Disney characters and yet feels it's OK to disparage 'every sodding tourist', who are 'like sheep'.
And people might, you understand, just possibly want to see places like Skye or Edinburgh because they feel that they are beautiful/interesting, rather than simply because they've looked a a picture of them on Instagram Hmm

WithManyTot · 03/10/2024 18:39

KnottedTwine · 03/10/2024 18:32

The problem is rapidly becoming volume.

Skye is a perfect example. The population of Skye is just over 10,000. The island gets 1 million visitors a year, mostly between April and September. This leads to absolute bedlam as the infrastructure just can't cope with thousands of cars on wee single track roads, driven often by people who have no clue about driving on the left, and even less of a clue about how to use passing places.

Nobody wants people not to visit Skye, ever. But too many tourists is a HUGE problem. The tourist tax will help a bit but will only cover people staying overnight on the island. Personally I'd prefer to see a £50 tax on each non-resident vehicle crossing the bridge.

Over-tourism is ruining the beauty spots everyone wants to see. That and Instagram - every sodding tourist wants to do the same as eleven billion other tourists in Scotland which is Edinburgh - Glencoe - Skye - Inverness - Edinburgh and nowhere else gets a look in. They are a bit like sheep.

Wouldn't you prefer they came and spent £50 with a local business than tax them £50 and them having £50 less to spend? Taxing tourists is a bad idea...

Bumpitybumper · 03/10/2024 18:39

schloss · 03/10/2024 18:33

I think one of the problems you are having is the "locals" as you keep calling them can spot your feeling about them a mile off!

I would like to know if you have had this opinion since before you moved to where you are, once you moved and have developed it, or, as I suspect, something recently has happened?

I have developed these feelings since being around local people that have become friends and thus speak candidly. I think I've been here for long enough now that they don't consider me a 'proper outsider' but I have become increasingly alarmed about how the anti tourism/anti outsider sentiment seems to be picking up steam. Most of these people are employed directly or indirectly through the tourist sector and most are unskilled with no desire to retrain or move to better their prospects. They expect a similar life for their kids and think they should automatically be housed in the area in the way they were.

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Yelloworangetomato · 03/10/2024 18:39

MarkWithaC · 03/10/2024 18:13

Phrases like 'contributes to his native culture' sound frighteningly close to the Farage/Reform script of 'indigenous people of Britain' to me.

Which is why Farage will be getting more than 14% in the next GE, loss of native culture is an important issue for the electorate and Farage is the only option for any who choose to express this

BoundaryGirl3939 · 03/10/2024 18:38

That's not the point I was making. I was making the point that the word 'native' (in relation to the British Iseles) and Nigel Farage shouldn't be associated with one another. There are native languages, cultures, customs on the British Isles that are simply existing and doing their own thing for centuries. They shouldn't be associated with Farage, politics, ignorance or hate. They are removed from that.

Fluufer · 03/10/2024 18:36

ttcat37 · 03/10/2024 18:34

Well, why would people that have lived here for generations, who have stayed because this is their home (not a ‘tourist hotspot’), welcome more people here who, like you, seem to want to change the fabric of the area that we have protected for so long?

If there's so many "incomers" you haven't protected it very well at all have you really?

ttcat37 · 03/10/2024 18:34

Bumpitybumper · 03/10/2024 18:28

This is exactly the attitude I dislike!

Well, why would people that have lived here for generations, who have stayed because this is their home (not a ‘tourist hotspot’), welcome more people here who, like you, seem to want to change the fabric of the area that we have protected for so long?

schloss · 03/10/2024 18:33

Bumpitybumper · 03/10/2024 18:28

This is exactly the attitude I dislike!

I think one of the problems you are having is the "locals" as you keep calling them can spot your feeling about them a mile off!

I would like to know if you have had this opinion since before you moved to where you are, once you moved and have developed it, or, as I suspect, something recently has happened?

mswales · 03/10/2024 18:33

Bumpitybumper · 03/10/2024 14:19

I grew up in a very ugly and undesirable part of the country and now live in a tourist hotspot. I am becoming increasingly frustrated by people that are born and raised here trying to restrict tourism or stop 'outsiders' moving here. The houses are expensive here because it's such a lovely place to live but there isn't much employment except for from tourism. Despite this many locals that I know feel that tourism should be restricted as it makes the town extremely busy in high season. They also think housing should be subsidised for locals.

I feel that there are only so many beautiful places and those lucky enough to be born in them are no more entitled to live and enjoy them than the rest of us who by luck were born elsewhere. This would effectively condemn future people like me to live and visit only the less desirable of areas whilst my children could stay in this lovely area and be subsidised for doing so. It just feels incredibly unfair!

I agree and hope that everyone who also agrees sees that the exact same logic applies to international migration. Why should people born in Britain get more rights to enjoy all the benefits from living in Britain more than someone born in much worse circumstances? Why shouldn't they come here to enjoy what this location can offer them? And it gets even more radical if you really follow the logic though. As according to this argument no one should be able to inherit wealth, property etc from their parents, if their parents themselves inherited it. Why should someone born into money get to enjoy that money all for themselves while the person who wasn't born into it has to be poor? That's not fair either.

KnottedTwine · 03/10/2024 18:32

The problem is rapidly becoming volume.

Skye is a perfect example. The population of Skye is just over 10,000. The island gets 1 million visitors a year, mostly between April and September. This leads to absolute bedlam as the infrastructure just can't cope with thousands of cars on wee single track roads, driven often by people who have no clue about driving on the left, and even less of a clue about how to use passing places.

Nobody wants people not to visit Skye, ever. But too many tourists is a HUGE problem. The tourist tax will help a bit but will only cover people staying overnight on the island. Personally I'd prefer to see a £50 tax on each non-resident vehicle crossing the bridge.

Over-tourism is ruining the beauty spots everyone wants to see. That and Instagram - every sodding tourist wants to do the same as eleven billion other tourists in Scotland which is Edinburgh - Glencoe - Skye - Inverness - Edinburgh and nowhere else gets a look in. They are a bit like sheep.

MarkWithaC · 03/10/2024 18:32

BoundaryGirl3939 · 03/10/2024 18:18

There is such a thing as native culture on the British Isles however. My father is from a Gaelic speaking rural region, where sean-nós singing and dancing are practiced (you dont see this on tv).

The early populations of Ireland likely came over from Great Britain. The early populations of Great Britain likely descended from people who came over from northern France. The early populations of continental Europe likely descended from people who came from Anatolia… How far back are we going?

Salome61 · 03/10/2024 18:31

I do sympathise. I'm a southerner living in a beautiful tourist area in the north east, and every time somewhere local makes the news local people say 'shh don't tell anyone' and 'god's own country'.

My kids could not stay in this county because there is only tourism here and neither of them wanted a career involving tourism.

Bumpitybumper · 03/10/2024 18:28

ttcat37 · 03/10/2024 18:24

I live in a rural/ desirable place and have always lived here. The more people that move in from outside the area, the shitter it gets. They make it into what they want it to be and want to introduce the comforts they had in a town, rather than embracing the area for the reasons they probably liked it in the first place. We don’t want more people here, we want less.

This is exactly the attitude I dislike!

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Bumpitybumper · 03/10/2024 18:27

venus7 · 03/10/2024 18:20

OK........so who looks after their elderly relatives? Who serves the tourists in bars? Who cleans the holiday lets?

It will go the same way as other areas with high house prices and a high demand for cheap unskilled labour. It's hardly a unique issue to tourist hotspots.

Importantly though I never said there shouldn't be any affordable housing for essential workers but that this shouldn't ear marked for locals. If it's all about keeping essential services going then surely you wouldn't object to this? Get the best people to do the required jobs in as opposed to who happens to live there.

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MarkWithaC · 03/10/2024 18:25

citylightsbehind · 03/10/2024 18:15

I was actually thinking of the people who stand up in the audience on question time supporting Farage-think when I referred to bloodlines that could use some outside dilution 😅

Grin
Fluufer · 03/10/2024 18:24

ShillyShallySherbet · 03/10/2024 18:16

A lot of these jobs are probably done by young people who are still living at home with their parents who were lucky enough to buy a house before it went crazy but they have very little chance of being able to buy or even rent a place of their own so eventually have to move out of the area. It may collapse one day, it certainly doesn’t seem sustainable.

Housing benefit keeps things propped up. Where my family live in Cornwall, the allowances actually cover local rents. Whereas where I live, they're hundreds short. Might not be the case everywhere of course.

ttcat37 · 03/10/2024 18:24

I live in a rural/ desirable place and have always lived here. The more people that move in from outside the area, the shitter it gets. They make it into what they want it to be and want to introduce the comforts they had in a town, rather than embracing the area for the reasons they probably liked it in the first place. We don’t want more people here, we want less.

WhatATimeToBeAlive · 03/10/2024 18:23

Yup, I get what you're saying and may well live in the same area! However, the market town I was born and bred in went way out of my price range back in the late 80s and I couldn't afford to live there due to Londonders using it as a commuting town, so I think it's a bit rich that we get these comments 40 years later when it's a new phenomenon for them! It was ever thus.... just different time frames.

venus7 · 03/10/2024 18:20

Bumpitybumper · 03/10/2024 18:18

The local people can move to the places with high employment and wages and come back and buy a house. There is absolutely no restriction on them doing this in the same way most other people have to do this.

OK........so who looks after their elderly relatives? Who serves the tourists in bars? Who cleans the holiday lets?

Choochoo21 · 03/10/2024 18:19

I live in Cornwall.

I actually find it’s people who have moved down here, all of a sudden think they own it and want to stop others from moving down too.

I am very much in the mindset of no one owns any part of the world and it is all there for us to enjoy and appreciate, as long as it’s in a respectful way.

I’ve encouraged my DC to live somewhere completely different when they grow up, even if it’s just temporarily and I hope to one day do the same or just travel extensively.

BoundaryGirl3939 · 03/10/2024 18:18

There is such a thing as native culture on the British Isles however. My father is from a Gaelic speaking rural region, where sean-nós singing and dancing are practiced (you dont see this on tv).

Bumpitybumper · 03/10/2024 18:18

venus7 · 03/10/2024 18:06

Then why should people coming from places with more employment/higher wages be able to outbid locals for property? Luck of birth comes in all kinds of ways.

The local people can move to the places with high employment and wages and come back and buy a house. There is absolutely no restriction on them doing this in the same way most other people have to do this.

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ShillyShallySherbet · 03/10/2024 18:16

BlackShuck3 · 03/10/2024 17:39

Doesn't this mean that house prices will collapse in the end because no businesses or services will be able to operate due to lack of staff?

A lot of these jobs are probably done by young people who are still living at home with their parents who were lucky enough to buy a house before it went crazy but they have very little chance of being able to buy or even rent a place of their own so eventually have to move out of the area. It may collapse one day, it certainly doesn’t seem sustainable.

Mulhollandmagoo · 03/10/2024 18:16

The bigger issue is that so many properties are second homes, or are holiday cottages of various types, some of which are empty for tranches of time.

If tourism is what keeps the economy going, then it’s churlish to want to curtail that though.

This is the issue to be honest, it's about keeping the balance between keeping the local residents happy, and keeping the local economy glowing if tourism it's it's biggest source of income. I think they have a bigger problem with tourists not respecting the area, than people wanting to move to the area and be an active part of its economy.

Responsible tourism is key in these kinds of areas, and not people buying houses and then letting them out to holiday makers. Staying on holiday parks, in hotels and B&Bs is a way of people getting to enjoy the area without pricing locals out of the housing market.

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